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Taking Havoc by RPN... PCT HELP?
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Bradicallyman
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I dont know where you got that you don't need PCT because you do. I have read that Havoc does not convert to estrogen but you still need to jump start your natural production of testosterone. Take a serm!
You need PCT badly. You need to run a SERM, an AI is optional but recommended.
Start out at 10-20 mg's a day for the first few days to access your tolerance. Slowly up the dose based on bodyweight. I personally know the guy who designed havoc, and he says 50 mg is the sweet spot if you can handle it.
It will make you lose alot of hair if you are proned, so use revita shampoo and at least 2-3 mg's of finasteride a day. It will thin your hair quick if you are susceptible.
If you are old enough which I hope you are you need to have a pct and you need to run support supps. You can look into Cycle Support or Life Support and pre-load it for 1-2 week and continue throughout the cycle. For pct I would have a SERM on hand you may not need it but it is very good to have if a problem comes up.
For pct you can run Stoked or Post Cycle Support and I would have a cortisol product which I would start on day 15 of pct. If you also want to run a AI you can run towards the end of pct and taper it down. Best of luck and if you need any help let me know
For pct you can run Stoked or Post Cycle Support and I would have a cortisol product which I would start on day 15 of pct. If you also want to run a AI you can run towards the end of pct and taper it down. Best of luck and if you need any help let me know
Bradicallyman
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He recommended Post cycle support and stoked which I do not know much of. But he also recommended a serm which is an absolute must when taking a PH. When I took havoc, I used cycle support, taurine, and potassium during the cycle, and nolva for PCT
Yes I lost some hair in the 4th week at 40mg but I am prone to MPB anyways
PCT for Havoc
-SERM
-Post Cycle Support (will help retain libido and aid in regulation of endogenous hormones)
OTC PCT
-Post Cycle Support
-I3C
-SAMe
-6-oxo tapered down
-SERM on hand in case of sides
-SERM
-Post Cycle Support (will help retain libido and aid in regulation of endogenous hormones)
OTC PCT
-Post Cycle Support
-I3C
-SAMe
-6-oxo tapered down
-SERM on hand in case of sides
hey im 18 years old and 135 pounds of lean muscle (ran track for 5 years) im also gonna start taking havoc soon. the only PCT i plan on taking is gonna be a SERM anyone know of an over the counter one i can take
I hope your joking, do NOT take ANY hormonal products at 18 it can cause irreversible damage to the endocrine system. You have plenty of time to get big, and have no way reached your potential. Look into creatine, multivitamin, fish oil, and protein alongside a good diet and training regimen.
Yes you are to young you going to mess yourself up please do not touch the steriods yet
ok well i stopped growing a long time ago. i have been taking creatine and 5 scoops of whey protein a day for 6 months and have only gained 7 pounds of muscle mass. im gonna take it anyways. someone recommended Epistane does it work
Just because your epiphyseal discs have closed does not mean you are done growing. Your endocrine system (hormone making system) is continually maturing until mid 20's. I don't think you should mess with your hormones at this age if you cannot gain any more muscle it is due to your training and diet regimen. You have not reached your genetic potential at 135lbs you need to concentrate on perfecting your diet and training rather than relying on exogenous hormones for gains. I doubt you will find anyone that will help an 18 year old with a cycle.
This is the best advice you are going to get please take note of it for safety sakes
ok well can you help me with my diet then. i eat oatmeal with 2 scoops of whey protein in it in the morning. except for a 20gram power bar for lunch i dont eat lunch cause they serve horrible shit at my school. and for dinner i usuall have 1 to 2 pounds of grilled chicken, and some mashed potatoes or something close with 4 scoops of whey protein. i also take creatine 2 hours before i work out. as for workout regimen my brother is a personal trainer who designed a lifting regimen for me.
Bradicallyman
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Your diet is horrible. If the lunch at your school is bad, bring something with you. You need some veggies, healthy fats and a few different sources of protein. 6 scoops of whey a day seems a bit much, especially when you are not getting very much from real food. Try tuna, chicken breast, lean meat, beef, or turkey. You seem to want to gain mass, correct me if I am wrong. In order for you to gain mass, you must consume more than your body burns off. You are probably getting 1000 calories at the most with that diet. That is the reason your have plateaued. Educate yourself and grow naturally before considering hormones.
x2....Try and get your nutrition from nutrient dense whole foods. Shakes are more for convenience like at work or school and post-workout due to the fast absorption. I'd try incorporating the following in your diet, and researching the basics of nutrition.
Healthy fats: Natural peanut butter/almond butter/cashew butter, nuts, EVOO, flax oil, fish oil, avocado, etc.
Lean meats: lean sirloin, steak, eggs, egg whites, fish, chicken, turkey.
Complex carbohydates: yams, sweet potatoes, oats, veggies, whole grain pastas and breads, etc.
irontaylor
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hey guys i understand what your telling that 18 year old. hes only 135 lbs he has so much room to grow. Im also 18 and weigh 180lbs and im only 5'7. im solid muscle got my six pack no fat. bench about 300lbs. At the point im at i'm considering havoc to help me continue to grow. I know im still 18 but i know how to take this and plan to only wokr my way up to 30mg and back down on a 4 week cycle. I dont think this will cause any damage. any thoughts?
-taylor (not a know it all teenager, i want feedback)
-taylor (not a know it all teenager, i want feedback)
SnowManSnow
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dont juice at 18. i can't imagine a scenerio that i would say otherwise.
if it sees like you've quit growing muscle then you need to change up your training some, and eat more.
don't forget you need lots of calories, and fats along with protein to make it all work.
b
if it sees like you've quit growing muscle then you need to change up your training some, and eat more.
don't forget you need lots of calories, and fats along with protein to make it all work.
b
irontaylor
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i know all that. but what more is my body gonna know at 21 than 18? how is 21 the magic number?
23 is more appropriate, less chance of developmental issues.
zombul
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magic number is simply your body starts to function diffrently. at 18 you are still jacked with natural test levels. why risk suppressing that and screwing it up. if you want a better protien take lba's. a hell of alot better than whey.
absolutely....
use what you got, with the amount your body's producing on it's own, adding more is essentially pointless.
These guys are giving it to you straight... don't even think about PH/PS until about 26 years old IMO.
Train, eat, grow.... at your age it's as simple as that.
irontaylor
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ok i already do everything i can do besides steroids tho i take everything but steroids i eat enough i train my ass off properly and do everything there is to do. i dont believe my endo system is going to be hurt by 30 days of this stuff in small amounts. im not going up to 50mg like other people im only working up to 30 and then back down again. at a young age is when your body is best able to recover from juice too thats proven
