I am curious if you can get the good results from primo, proviron, winny running it with a long estered test like cyp? I know its ideal for cutting purposes to run with prop, but i am not cutting for a competition. I simply wanted the SHBG lowering, and anti-aromitization properties. I dont want to bulk up either, I just want quality lean muscle gains with minimal side effects without having to pin myself every day. advise and opinions are welcomed.