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Very interesting about 4-Hydroxy-Test Cyp!
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What is FS?
FSH-follicle stimulating hormone. We are finding that when you stack the 4-Hydroxy-Test with other prohormones there is no lowering effect on natural test levels and no increase of estrogen. Syngex II contains 4-Hydroxy-Test, but the cyp version is proving to be even better.
That would mean being able to stay "on cycle" much longer. Only reason to go off would be to let receptors re-adjust! Interesting!!
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Originally posted by scotty2
4-hydroxy test is relatively new so there is little feeback from use...but what IS out there could be considered extremely positive. In the chemical world, 4-hydroxy test is usually the intermediate for manufacture of other AAS and anti-estrogenic compounds. Since it has a 4-hydroxy it will increase its affinity to the estrogen receptor. In this manner, the compound should prove to be very anabolic with extremely lean, dry gains. Since it is an active compound it should also prove to be very potent. Also, since there is no special breakdown in the liver, would make for poor oral. Can be used as a topical, sublingual. Would work great used in conjuction with other androgens such as 4ad.
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4-hydroxy is not an intermediate for any AAS. It is not an intermediate for any anti-estrogens either, though it is a metabolite of formestane.
I know of no evidence that the 4-hydroxy increases affinity to the estrogen receptor. If it does then that would be a bad thing, not a good thing.
The compound is significantly weaker then testosterone as an anabolic. This is what the literature says. I do not know what literature you are referring to when you say its "very anabolic". Are you selling the stuff or something???
What do you mean there is "no special breakdown in the liver, there fore its a poor oral?" that sounds totally contradictory
All in all, this compound IMO holds very little promise
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Originally posted by scotty2
4-hydroxy test is relatively new so there is little feeback from use...but what IS out there could be considered extremely positive. In the chemical world, 4-hydroxy test is usually the intermediate for manufacture of other AAS and anti-estrogenic compounds. Since it has a 4-hydroxy it will increase its affinity to the estrogen receptor. In this manner, the compound should prove to be very anabolic with extremely lean, dry gains. Since it is an active compound it should also prove to be very potent. Also, since there is no special breakdown in the liver, would make for poor oral. Can be used as a topical, sublingual. Would work great used in conjuction with other androgens such as 4ad.
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4-hydroxy is not an intermediate for any AAS. It is not an intermediate for any anti-estrogens either, though it is a metabolite of formestane.
I know of no evidence that the 4-hydroxy increases affinity to the estrogen receptor. If it does then that would be a bad thing, not a good thing.
The compound is significantly weaker then testosterone as an anabolic. This is what the literature says. I do not know what literature you are referring to when you say its "very anabolic". Are you selling the stuff or something???
What do you mean there is "no special breakdown in the liver, there fore its a poor oral?" that sounds totally contradictory
All in all, this compound IMO holds very little promise
Patrick Arnold
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Originally posted by wardog
From certain accounts at other forums, it slows HTPA shutdown when used in a cycle. It is also very effective for bridging post cycle, because it is hypothesised it allows the HTPA to recover while still giving a mild anabolic effect.
So, in the transdermal, you are looking at the benefits being a slowing of shutdown, as well as a slight anti-estrogen effect, and an anabolic effect.
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complete bullshit, but if it helps to sell the stuff anything goes, right?
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Originally posted by wardog
From certain accounts at other forums, it slows HTPA shutdown when used in a cycle. It is also very effective for bridging post cycle, because it is hypothesised it allows the HTPA to recover while still giving a mild anabolic effect.
So, in the transdermal, you are looking at the benefits being a slowing of shutdown, as well as a slight anti-estrogen effect, and an anabolic effect.
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complete bullshit, but if it helps to sell the stuff anything goes, right?
Opinions vary on the usefulness of this product for sure, but VPXs testing has gone quite well. Blood work has shown positive reactions in LH and testosterone, and there is an additive affect in the gains you make from other prohormones. Promatrix has been selling a decent version of this product for a while, but VPX is increasing the bioavailabilty of the 4-Hydroxy-Test molecule. Trust me, unless Jack (owner) sees positive blood work on his products he will throw any particular ingredient out of the mix! I always see the winners and rejects on his desk! But of course, you gotta try it for yourself to see what works, right?
I think PA is against it because it is not a precursor?
I've been reading pro and cons on it all morning and it's confusing! Don't know what to think?
I think PA is against everything he does not sell.
I'm beginning to think that as well!
You know more chemist stuff than we do. You tell us!
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Any idea on a release date for the 4-hydroxy cyp? How owuld it be stacked with the other cyps? How many ML per day?
It will be out pretty soon. Still doing some testing with it. There are SO MANY projects in the works at VPX that its gonna take some time to get it out, but I think this (4-hydroxy-test) will be next, along with Hydroforce.
I will let you know about dosages soon, but it will stack very well with EQ, Xenabol, or Decavar.
I guess I have to resurrect this thread for a question, I was reading on the promatiex website that their 4-ht product(I think that is what primobolan acetate is) does not need to be cycled and could be used for post cycle and even for months at a time with increasing results. Is this true and if so would it hold true for the 4 hydroxy test cyp?
