Who killed him???

[GFR]

Philip "Taylor" Kramer, bassist

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The mysterious disappearance of one-time Iron Butterfly bassist[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Philip "Taylor" Kramer, 42, has come to a tragic conclusion with[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] the May 29, 1999, discovery by hikers of his 1993 Ford Aerostar[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] van at the bottom of a Malibu, Calif., ravine. Skeletal remains[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] found inside and near the vehicle were confirmed through dental[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] records to be those of Kramer.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Kramer's Feb. 12, 1995, disappearance has been the subject of[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] numerous TV shows due both to his connection withIron [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Butterfly[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] and his involvement with government projects, lending X-Files???like[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] conspiracy overtones to his vanishing. Unfortunately, most reports[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] have given the mistaken impression that he was with Iron Butterfly[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] during the band's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" days when in fact he[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] was only with the band during a mid-70s re-formation. Most[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] glaring (and high profile) of these shows is a segment on VH-1's[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Where Are They Now? which, while purporting to be on the band[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] as a whole, devoted more than three and a half minutes out of the[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] five-minute segment to the Kramer mystery, never once mentioning[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] that Lee Dorman was the main Butterfly bassist during their classic[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] years. This was done in spite of Dorman being both interviewed[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] and shown performing on stage during the VH-1 show.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Kramer played in a number of bands in Ohio (including Max, with[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] future Dead Boy Stiv Bators) before moving to L.A. in the early[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] '70s. After working a number of odd jobs and even living on the[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] streets, he was asked to join an Iron Butterfly reunion by original[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] drummer and friend Ron Bushy, whom he'd been working with as[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] a prop builder at Warner Brothers Studios. Along with guitarist[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Erik Braunn and keyboardist Howard Reitzes, they recorded[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Scorching Beauty for MCA in 1974, followed by Sun And Steel[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] (with Bill DeMartines replacing Reitzes). Neither album was[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] particularly good, and while the band toured based on the strength[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] of the name (with Kramer singing "IAGDV"), the band folded in[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] 1977. Kramer and Bushy formed a post-Butterfly group called[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Gold and recorded an unreleased album during '78-'79. After that[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] stint Kramer quit the music business altogether.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Kramer immersed himself in schooling, studying engineering and[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] getting a job building radar equipment. He graduated from night[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] school with straight A's and got a job at Northrup, working on the[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] design of the MX missile. At the time of his disappearance, he had[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] reportedly discovered a mathematical formula that would allow[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] matter to travel faster than the speed of light. His involvement in[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] projects of this nature have led to theories that he was abducted or[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] murdered.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] What is known is that on Feb. 12, 1995, having spent an hour[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] waiting at Los Angeles International Airport for a business contact[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] who never arrived, he called both his wife and Ron Bushy from his[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] cell phone in his car, leaving Bushy a cryptic message about seeing[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] him "...on the other side." According to newspaper reports,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Kramer also called 911 just before noon that day and said he was[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] going to commit suicide. Despite this, family members believe he[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] could have been the victim of foul play.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Officials said that determining whether Kramer's death was a[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] suicide, murder or accident could take months. [/FONT]

 

[viet_jon]

this guy

 

[Witmaster]

Is this one of those FYI threads or are you really just now finding this out?

 

[maniclion]

Is this one of those FYI threads or are you really just now finding this out?

Another Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V Production by Foremanrules Inc.

 

[GFR]

Another Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V Production by Foremanrules Inc.

You can make fun of education all you want. I find this a very interesting topic and am not surprised you idiots have no real opinions on it.

 

[The Monkey Man]

this guy

I notice he decides to only render BigDyl unconscious

(What a nice guy)

 

[GFR]

Is this one of those FYI threads or are you really just now finding this out?

I wish I knew all the history of the world like you do but this is news to me.

 

[maniclion]

I notice he decides to only render BigDyl unconscious

(What a nice guy)

Also note the well groomed goatee, gays only render one another unconcious as a sign of empathy...

 

[maniclion]

and also so they can have a sex slave for a while...

 

[viet_jon]

this is the problem with open chat.

You never know when someone's being serious and wants to discuss something seriously. Or when someon'es just goofing around. And since this is a Forman thread, you can expect people to goof around in it.

We need a 'casual chat' and a 'serious chat' subforum. Sometimes i get in the mood to discuss topics seriously. Most times not.

 

[maniclion]

this is the problem with open chat.

You never know when someone's being serious and wants to discuss something seriously. Or when someon'es just goofing around. And since this is a Forman thread, you can expect people to goof around in it.

We need a 'casual chat' and a 'serious chat' subforum. Sometimes i get in the mood to discuss topics seriously. Most times not.

I come here to goof off, and when I need intellectual stimulation I talk to my dogs....

 

[kenwood]

this guy

lmfao!

 

[maniclion]

lmfao!

You need to be laughing your f-ing ass back to school fool!

 

[GFR]

lmfao!

Go to school dummy.

 

[Witmaster]

I wish I knew all the history of the world like you do but this is news to me.

Ahhhh ok.

Well it is interesting for those who didn't know about it.

I remember hearing about this back when the news first broke. All this "conspiracy theory" bullshit about how he was abducted by our government or a foreign nation and what not...

Only to discover he drove his car off a cliff and wasn't found until 4 years later.

 

[GFR]

Ahhhh ok.

Well it is interesting for those who didn't know about it.

I remember hearing about this back when the news first broke. All this "conspiracy theory" bullshit about how he was abducted by our government or a foreign nation and what not...

Only to discover he drove his car off a cliff and wasn't found until 4 years later.

I agree, it seems there is a good chance he was murdered.

 

[fletcher6490]

I come here to goof off, and when I need intellectual stimulation I talk to my dogs....

Hell yeah, I do the same shit. It's amazing how much you can get off your chest when you're all wasted and you bullshit with your dog. He doesn't say all that much but damn, he's a great listener and supporter.

I'm being dead serious by the way.

 

[GFR]

Hell yeah, I do the same shit. It's amazing how much you can get off your chest when you're all wasted and you bullshit with your dog. He doesn't say all that much but damn, he's a great listener and supporter.

I'm being dead serious by the way.

I hope you two use a condom when you are letting your intellect out with your dogs.

 

[fletcher6490]

I hope you two use a condom when you are letting your intellect out with your dogs.

I only have one dog and yes, I always wear my raincoat

Hey Foreman, I seen I made your sig for about 10 hours. Greatest moment of my life.

 

[GFR]

I only have one dog and yes, I always wear my raincoat

Hey Foreman, I seen I made your sig for about 10 hours. Greatest moment of my life.

It was a classic by you.

 

[fletcher6490]

It was a classic by you.

It's rare, but every once in a while good things come from my tiny brain.

 

[fufu]

It's rare, but every once in a while good things come from my tiny brain.

Lot's of good things come from you.

 

[fletcher6490]

Lot's of good things come from you.

Thanks cutey.

 

[viet_jon]

Thanks cutey.

yuck!!!!!

 

[fletcher6490]

yuck!!!!!

You're not fooling anyone.

 

[fufu]

 

[kenwood]

welcome babe!!!!!

i knew you were a little off balence

 

[GFR]

i knew you were a little off balence

Go to school

 

[kenwood]

Go to my room

i thought you said lastnight that we ended are relationship? i still got jockitch

 

[viet_jon]

You're not fooling anyone.