Straps are for wusses

[Duncans Donuts]

I agree, I wouldn't consider either. I look at it like this, if we were in the middle of nowhere and my "deadlift" max is 600 and something 600lbs fell on you, you better hope that 600lbs is without straps.

lol, point taken.

You have a point about the difficult aspects of sprinting donwnhill. But I personally think you're stretching the analogy a bit.

And running or sprinting dowhill would probably be a pretty good way to break a lot of bones and kill yourself, so I hope nobody tries it.

 

[Dale Mabry]

lol, point taken.

You have a point about the difficult aspects of sprinting donwnhill. But I personally think you're stretching the analogy a bit.

And running or sprinting dowhill would probably be a pretty good way to break a lot of bones and kill yourself, so I hope nobody tries it.

I know a shitload of people who do it, and consider it one of the dumber things I have seen, and I have seen a lot of dumb.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I'm going to try sprinting downhill while doing the valsalva maneuver. That might be even stupider.

 

[Pianomahnn]

It's not stupid. We used to train that in cross country all the time. It's a great way to pass people in a way that expends less energy than passing on flat terrain. Like most physical activities, it gets easier and safer the more it's done. A noob will probably fall on their face, tumble a bit, maybe even cry. I crushed downhill because I trained for it.

edit: It also works the legs and balance differently than regular running. The movement during impact is significantly different than that on flat ground. Variety, I guess. Thats what it's all about.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

It's not stupid. We used to train that in cross country all the time. It's a great way to pass people in a way that expends less energy than passing on flat terrain. Like most physical activities, it gets easier and safer the more it's done. A noob will probably fall on their face, tumble a bit, maybe even cry. I crushed downhill because I trained for it.

edit: It also works the legs and balance differently than regular running. The movement during impact is significantly different than that on flat ground. Variety, I guess. Thats what it's all about.

You are talking about training in the context of a sport. With respect, you missed the point.

Yes, the impact is significanly higher than on flat ground, thus increasing its uselessness and danger potential for people who aren't playing a sport that would require running downhill.

And we weren't talking about cross country, low intensity movement. We were talking about sprinting and demanding running.

 

[Pianomahnn]

I didn't miss the point, I missed the whole original post where it was brought up. ;-)

 

[TheCurse]

i can run faster and better it seems when i wear shoes. so im wondering, is wearing shoes for running considered a crutch?

 

[JerseyDevil]

I was the first person to respond to this thread. I find it hilarious that Luke 'lit the fuse' and then walked away.

There are all kinds of ways to lift. If it works for you, then do it. Powerlifting would be the only example I can think where using straps is counter productive. Other then that, whatever floats your boat.

 

[juggernaut]

True.

 

[Seanp156]

i can run faster and better it seems when i wear shoes. so im wondering, is wearing shoes for running considered a crutch?

I thought that was obvious?

 

[Duncans Donuts]

i can run faster and better it seems when i wear shoes. so im wondering, is wearing shoes for running considered a crutch?

 

[Dale Mabry]

i can run faster and better it seems when i wear shoes. so im wondering, is wearing shoes for running considered a crutch?

Actually, a very large number of people would say they are. The amount of artificial stability they impart on the foot makes the foot itself less stable and can lead to problems later in life.

 

[CowPimp]

i can run faster and better it seems when i wear shoes. so im wondering, is wearing shoes for running considered a crutch?

Funny, but I highly doubt you've actually compared your times running with and without shoes. Comparing this to straps is not quite the same.

Now, as I said, I have no problem with straps if used properly. However, if you tell me you deadlifted X amount, then say it was with straps, I'm not going to consider that deadlifting the weight. Holding the weight is part of the lift.

 

[juggernaut]

wow this thread has gone completely stupid.

 

[Pedigree]

Why let fatigued forearms and/or wrists inhibit gains that could be made by deadlifting? If I'm pulling, the intent sure as hell isn't to improve my grip.
I rarely use straps for the record.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I rarely use straps for the record.

I couldn;t tell.

No one is saying you shouldn't use straps, it is your decision. What most are saying is that a strapped lift isn't your max.

 

[Twigz]

Well I just wanted to know if I was still a wuss....

 

[Dale Mabry]

Well I just wanted to know if I was still a wuss....

Call me when you can do 410 and we'll talk.

 

[kinkery]

so if i can hold 600lbs in my bare hands i'm not a wuss!

 

[Luke95]

so if i can hold 600lbs in my bare hands i'm not a wuss!

Deffinately not

 

[Pedigree]

I couldn;t tell.

No one is saying you shouldn't use straps, it is your decision. What most are saying is that a strapped lift isn't your max.

What's with the arrogance? I never accused anyone of saying anything. I said I rarely use them, but I do feel they have their place. Is there a problem with that?

So a strap deadlift isn't my max...big freaking deal! I'm not a pathetic moron who goes around bragging about my deadlift max, with or without straps. People who do are fools. People who don't use straps at the expense of their leg, back, and hip development simply because their ego is bigger than their bodies are also fools.

 

[Dale Mabry]

What's with the arrogance? I never accused anyone of saying anything. I said I rarely use them, but I do feel they have their place. Is there a problem with that?

So a strap deadlift isn't my max...big freaking deal! I'm not a pathetic moron who goes around bragging about my deadlift max, with or without straps. People who do are fools. People who don't use straps at the expense of their leg, back, and hip development simply because their ego is bigger than their bodies are also fools.

There's no arrogance, I choose not to use straps, you choose to use them, who cares? I'm not going to call you a fool for using them, I'm not 12.

EDIT: Oh, I get what you are saying now. I was joking, did you change your post? I seem to remember something about how you essentially said they suck.

 

[Luke95]

What's with the arrogance? I never accused anyone of saying anything. I said I rarely use them, but I do feel they have their place. Is there a problem with that?

I posted this after I saw one kid strapped up to do DP curls. That day, I crap you not, another kid had his phone strapped to his hand.



I dont know about you guys but, I am in the gym to push myself. I am in there purely for the stress relief. I don't care what gives first (it usually isn't my grip on any of the lifts that I do.....).

I just want to make sure that it isn't my mind that gives up first.

Having a band aide like strapps, NH3, baby powder...... just using them is like giving up on the strength of your mind.

There is a reason why there was such a long time before anybody broke a 500# bench..... and then once it happened.... MANY people could do it.

I guess my goals (mentally) in the gym are different than the majority.





But if you use gloves, you're a REAL sissy.

 

[Pedigree]

There's no arrogance, I choose not to use straps, you choose to use them, who cares? I'm not going to call you a fool for using them, I'm not 12.

EDIT: Oh, I get what you are saying now. I was joking, did you change your post? I seem to remember something about how you essentially said they suck.

Nope, I didn't say they suck and I didn't change my post. I said it's stupid to make the large muscles that deads are intended to work suffer simply because my grip gets fatigued.
I don't have a very impressive deadlift max at 400#, but it was raw and without straps. I use straps when working heavy sets like 10 sets of singles or something like it. I'll put them on usually on the 7th or 8th set after my grip starts to fail. They're perfect for the purpose of pulling those last 2 or 3 heavy singles.

 

[Luke95]

But hey.... I guess we'll all know what's what in 20 years when we all see what eachother look like.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I just want to make sure that it isn't my mind that gives up first.

Having a band aide like strapps, NH3, baby powder...... just using them is like giving up on the strength of your mind.

This is utterly false. Any exercise effort may be limited by strength of mind, but strength of mind does not OVERCOME the physical limitation of the force output capacity of the forearm (and a host of other muscles). The forearm is the weakest link in the exercise.

It is a fact that if your grip strengh is not equal to your back strength, using straps will help shuffeling the load to your back. Are you saying you can overcome this difference with strength of mind?? Are you being serious?

I guess people in wheelchairs are just weak of mind, too.

 

[Luke95]

I guess people in wheelchairs are just weak of mind, too.

Not in a 'physical wheelchair'. Are you?

Who's to say what a 'wheelchair' is. You and I are obviously in the gym for two very different reasons.


BTW, there is only one thing that will be/is utterly false. That one thing is applying that phrase.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Not in a 'physical wheelchair'. Are you?

Who's to say what a wheelchair is. You and I are obviously in the gym for two very different reasons.


BTW, there is only one thing that will be utterly false. That one thing is applying that phrase.

Get off your silly "people who use straps are wusses" fake ass macho shit. I go to the gym to get big and beat people in various athletic endeavors. I also am a physiology major and work as a trainer, so I'm in the gym for that too. Your best rebuttal to any kind of argument is to talk about how weak of mind people who use straps are and how big a wusses they are. You're not as strong as impressive as you've deluded yourself into believing you are.

 

[Luke95]

Duncan,

Consider your own contrapositive.

You are suggesting that the grip strength is stronger than that of the mind. Could we say this is 'utterly false'?

Consider that your mind (not just what you think you can do... that's just where the chemical cassades progagate from) controls everything.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

BTW, there is only one thing that will be/is utterly false. That one thing is applying that phrase.

Assertion