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Tough Decision...make more money vs more time to workout out

No offense, but you are a fucking moron.

In 6 months, the most he's gonna lose is 3-6 lbs. tops.
If he continues to eat right, he shouldn't gain any fat weight at all.

And because of muscle memory, he'll be able to gain back what he lost within 6-8 weeks easy.

Angst much? That was uncalled for. What's more, it's me that's saying it!

You're making an assumption. Do you know what KelJu's genetics are? Maybe he's an extreme ectomorph thats fought for every pound of muscle that he has. The same goes with your assumption about regaining any lost muscle.

Even if he isn't a hard gainer, he'll lose a lot more than three to six pounds. KelJu is a big boy. He's likely to lose a lot more than that. The muscle you have is strictly a function of how much your body needs it. You stop pushing it, the body will give it up. It's a combination of homeostasis and energy efficiency.

The real danger here is breaking a good habit. Making a good habit is hard, losing it is easy. What if his 6 months off turns into 6 years off? Again, you don't know what his personality is like in regards to his personal life and motivation. I'm with Double D on this one. There's a lot more at stake here that you're thinking of.

For some people, working out is the lynch-pin of a healthy life-style. Once that goes, so too may the diet and active life-style.

I'm betting your in your early 20s, right? You've probably yet to learn that, sometimes, the money just isn't worth it.

Ultimately though, like others have said, you can always find time to workout, or do anything of true value.
 
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Been here longer than you am here more than you and have read everything there is in the stickies. Trained for the past 12 years took around half a year off and my body went to complete shit.

Referring to you, ya. You want to be a bitch and call little names well its as easy for me to do as well. I simply want the best for KJ. Hes a good guy and I am just making him aware of what happened to me. I was passin a worse case scenario. Simple as that. Take care of myself? Yeah I do very well for myself. But whenever someone gets complacent with themselves and everyday life things like what I went through CAN happen. And until you experience it you cant talk about it. Worked 60-75 hours a week and ate whatever I could to get by. Was swamped with work, 2 kids, wife, and trying to keep up with family things that were happening at that point, shit was tough. The stress at work is always tough so I was making him aware.

Do I care if I am ever in the minority? Not at all. Many of the people who have commented have done so with no experience of going through something like this. I know because it happened to me.

I once was a competing bodybuilder. Took steroids (which I regret), competed on stage, had better eating habits than probably 98% of IM. While my eating habits are still good now, during that 6 month stretch they were crap. Not crap to the point that I shouldve gained that much weight, but my lifestyle was so non-active!

And like its been said here and in KJ's journal we both are simliar in many ways!

Then you should have stated that was a worst case scenario.

Were you on steroids right before you had to take the break? If so, then the whole argument, you can just throw it out.

But even if you weren't, you'd have to do some major shit work to get "horribly" worse.

Since, like I have mentioned, I moved out so I could go to college.
Before, I ate very well. Trained 4-5 days a week. Including excessive cardio and weightlifting. I had trained this way for 2 years, and before that 3 years of doing it the wrong way, but I was still lifting weights.

Now, because of all the big changes, college, new job, new friends, etc.
Along with not being able to afford a gym membership, I worked out over the last year maybe 6-8 times and I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted.

So what happened?
I got weaker. I gained about 15 pounds. And I probably lost some muscle. If I had to guess I would say 3-5 pounds tops.

That is in one year. And yes I am a hardgainer.

I drank a lot and smoked (pot) a lot.

But yet, I still didn't get that bad.

So If it only affected me that much after a year, then i doubt 6 months for KJ would be that bad. If he keeps his diet in check, he shouldn't gain much if any fat...and keep his muscle loss to a minimum.
And like I said muscle memory will help with that.


And speaking strictly about health. That comes from 80% diet anyway.


All this being said, I apologize for the name calling. It was out of line and maybe if I had, had a better day, I wouldn't have resorted to immature behavior.

Hopefully we can just agree to disagree.
 
You said the most whenever you said you are a hardgainer. Me and KJ are far from that. We are both endomorphs. We can put on fat with the best of them. And with a sedentary job like he will have it is going to be tough. Yes his diet is going to have to be good, but its so damn hard to maintain a good diet while not busting your ass in the gym.

I didnt just get done doing steroids either. I done them about 2-3 years before that or so. KJ has also done them recently as well. I dont know what you know about him, but I follow what he does fairly closely. The guy is damn near a mirror image of me, he will admit to that.

Well other than him looking like Paul Bunyan and all. Just kiddin KJ!
 
Also I am not sure that is the worst case scienario, but more like my scenario.
 
You said the most whenever you said you are a hardgainer. Me and KJ are far from that. We are both endomorphs. We can put on fat with the best of them. And with a sedentary job like he will have it is going to be tough. Yes his diet is going to have to be good, but its so damn hard to maintain a good diet while not busting your ass in the gym.

I didnt just get done doing steroids either. I done them about 2-3 years before that or so. KJ has also done them recently as well. I dont know what you know about him, but I follow what he does fairly closely. The guy is damn near a mirror image of me, he will admit to that.

Well other than him looking like Paul Bunyan and all. Just kiddin KJ!

The endomorph in him will help him maintain his muscle, but yes, you are right it will be hard for him to keep the weight off.

It just depends on your mindset.

I started my diet 3-4 weeks ago. And didn't (finally) get a membership until yesterday.
I was able to lose 8 lbs in those 3-4 weeks even without lifting weights, and very minimal cardio (pronounced lawn work).
So it's just how up to the challenge you are at any given time.
 
Good grief, this thread is out of control with you two going back and forth.

KJ, this is simple. Go for the money and potential security and train when you can. In 6 months hit the gym and return to your normal routine.

I WIN! :nerd:
 
Good grief, this thread is out of control with you two going back and forth.

KJ, this is simple. Go for the money and potential security and train when you can. In 6 months hit the gym and return to your normal routine.

I WIN! :nerd:

You never win your a box.:finger:
 
Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!
 
Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!

I know more about genetics than you!

oooooooo!
 
Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!

Suck it canadian.:paddle:
 
Waaaaaaah I know more about his Genetics then you do. Waaaaaaah!

Waaaaaaah I know he will lose 3-6 lbs of muscle . Waaaaaaaaah!


Waaaaaaah What a fucking rediculous argument. Waaaaaaaaaah!


So, how much do you think he'll lose in 6 months? :p
 
So, how much do you think he'll lose in 6 months? :p

Dunno, it will relate to how many chicks he bangs.

1-2 chicks = 50 lb loss
3-5 = 15 lb loss
6-10 = 10 lb loss

10+= who gives a shit. You are tagging a shit load of chicks.
 
Same thing. I will forgive you since you are probably a gators fan!
 
Meso is the guy who gains muscle easily and stays lean.....or atleast I though?!............For fuck sakes info in and then info out?

Someone clear this up.
 
Oh... :o

mes·o·morph (měz'ə-môrf', měs'-) Pronunciation Key
n. An individual with a robust, muscular body build caused by the predominance of structures developed from the embryonic mesodermal layer.

en·do·morph (nd-môrf)
n.

An individual having a body build characterized by relative prominence of the abdomen and other soft body parts developed from the embryonic endodermal layer.
 
DOMS and DoubleD are correct for my situation. As long as I lift, I eat right. When I stop lifting, I stop eating right. It is a direct psychological relationship. If I manage my stress well, I lift well, and diet well. Everything feds off of other things.

The money will probably keep me happy, and will keep me motivated in the gym, which should help me keep my diet in check which should lead to overall satisfaction. I think I can manage all 3 things.

You guys are right though, this offer is too good to pass up.
 
Dunno, it will relate to how many chicks he bangs.

1-2 chicks = 50 lb loss
3-5 = 15 lb loss
6-10 = 10 lb loss

10+= who gives a shit. You are tagging a shit load of chicks.

What's with the 35lb difference between 2 and 3 chicks? Does the hotness (1-10) of the chick affect the outcome? Your training regime intrigues me!
 
My .02 is that if you leave your prospective employer out of the brainstorming phase then you reduce your options and you fail to use all the resources you have at hand. This guy is not successful because he makes poor choices. He'll most likely come up with a killer win-win solution. Go to him with this dilemma ... communicate with the person you are considering changing your situation because of.
 
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