Anabolic Innovations (contest) winner Cycle log

[workingatit43]

nice workout bro.

 

[angel77]

Day 17

Diet the same and supp intake the exactly the same all day.
6-breakfast
6:30- supps
9:30 protein, PB, Banana
11:30 Havoc 20mg, MMV2 300mg (3 caps)
12:00-workout
Bicep/Tricep
curl dumb bell sets
45's (12x)
35's (20x)
25's (20x)
20's (20x) -all consecutive w/ 30 second brake in between

backwards-
20's (12x)
25's (12x)
35's (12x)
45's (8x)- struggling at this point!!

final set-
45's (10x)
35's (10x)
25's (12x)
20's (15x)

Tricep _wall lean push-warmup
40x

hanging excercise band kick backs-(tricep killer)
10x each arm
15x
20x
15x
20x
15x

1:00pm- protein, PB, roasted pumpkin seeds, 1 whole head broccoli (steamed)

4:58pm- Cycle Suppt, Havoc 10mg, MMv2 100mg, Fish Oil, DHEA 50mg

6:00pm- HUGE Pulled Pork Sandwich on Whole Wheat w/ Cole Slaw

Very good workout today. My numbers are going up every day. Weight and number of reps. I feel very confident when I'm in the weight room. I'm already looking forward to tomorrow at 12:00
I know my numbers are going up next week as well. BTW- my weight has also been going up within the last week. It didn't seem to be a gradual thing with me. It's been creeping up since the end of my second week. I'm over 200lbs consistently now all throughout the day. Enjoying the results very much. It's all about being patient until it builds up in your system. It's funny guys commenting how theyv'e been on it for 2 weeks and feel nothing. If they'd hang in there another week they would see certain changes in their weight numbers for sure. I have to thank you workingatit and the others from Anabolic Innovations for your generosity. I'm making the most of it and feel fantastic. Other than I'm working so hard I'm sore every day That IS a GOOD THING!!!!!

 

[Amino89]

Nice updates man, keep up the good work.

 

[angel77]

day18

50mg Havoc today!!! 10mg 6am, 30mg 11:30am, 10mg 5:00pm

diet & supps the same except more carbs (whole wheat pasta).

12:00 workout-
shoulders-
bent curl bar sitting vertical press-
65lbs-(15x) warmup
105lbs. (12x)
(15x)
95lbs (10x)
105lbs (15x)
(15x)

shrugs-
85's (25x)
(25x)
(30x)
(25x)
55's (superset)-10x (hold on last rep 5 seconds)

well, I've noticed I have been having heavy breathing lately and the crew on my cooking show has noticed a blatant difference (I'm mic'd up) Is this a side? High Blood Pressure maybe? Other than that I'm feelin' really good. My lower back hurts a bit but that's to be expected. I have numerous herniated discs and have to be careful. I can't wait for bench on monday! So far, so good!! I'll update a little more detail later and up some pics. Cheers!!

 

[zombul]

I think SD really took a beating on my endurance if not for the back pumps not allowing me to run if nothing else. Don't know if Havoc should be that severe though but hard to tell. I would say it's a possiblity.

 

[workingatit43]

If your having heavy breathing have it checked out to be safe.

 

[angel77]

If your having heavy breathing have it checked out to be safe.

I'm paying very close attention to it. I certainly will if it gets any worse. I wouldn't have known if the producers of my show hadn't said anything. I never consiously knew it was happening. It's suttle but I do notice it a bit.

 

[angel77]

day19

same diet & supp intake-

workout- 12:00noon
Dumb Bell Rows-
85's (8x)
70's (15x)
85's (6x)
70's (10x)
70's (10x)
70's (8x)
70's (10x)
70's (8x)

a few wide grip pull ups too...

I don't have Lat Pulldown available so I'm really looking to kill my lats and rows feel great. Halloween was a blast w/ the kids. Ate a few pieces of candy dudes. Couldn't help myself.

 

[quark]

How was the breathing? Any changes?

 

[angel77]

Feelin' Strong!!

How was the breathing? Any changes?

Yeah, everythings good, thank you. It's nothing major, hardly even noticeable but when my crew started asking me about it I got a little more paranoid. I feel really good. It was never while working out ,just on down time. Workouts are going great!!

 

[angel77]

I just had to chime in and say the back of my shoulders are sore as hell from that row workout. I'm looking forward to bench Monday! I'm gonna go off in that Mutha!!

 

[TexanTA1996]

So it's been over a month, and you're just over 200lbs? That's 5lbs in a month. I'm sorry, but why did you feel the need to use a product, that clearly isn't working, to put on 5lbs in a month? 5lbs in a month is EASILY done naturally, 1lb a week is pretty common.

I just don't see what all the hype is from these products. They clearly don't perform.

Do you realize that this type of product will make you retain water weight, which is probably contributing to your blood pressure going up and the heavy breathing. There's a very good chance that the 5lbs you've gained is 100% water weight. It just amazes me that people shell out money for stuff that gives such crappy results. Oh, and before you go there, water retention is probably the reason you've noticed a slight strength increase.

If you would have said you've put on 15lbs in 4 weeks, that's a different story-but what you're experiencing is nothing more than some water retention.

 

[angel77]

So it's been over a month, and you're just over 200lbs? That's 5lbs in a month. I'm sorry, but why did you feel the need to use a product, that clearly isn't working, to put on 5lbs in a month? 5lbs in a month is EASILY done naturally, 1lb a week is pretty common.

I just don't see what all the hype is from these products. They clearly don't perform.

Do you realize that this type of product will make you retain water weight, which is probably contributing to your blood pressure going up and the heavy breathing. There's a very good chance that the 5lbs you've gained is 100% water weight. It just amazes me that people shell out money for stuff that gives such crappy results. Oh, and before you go there, water retention is probably the reason you've noticed a slight strength increase.

If you would have said you've put on 15lbs in 4 weeks, that's a different story-but what you're experiencing is nothing more than some water retention.

I appreciate your opinion and welcome anyones. I've actually put on more like 8-10lbs at this point and have raised my bench max by 35lbs. I consistently weigh in at 205 now up from 195 and my bench max has went up without even putting forth the effort. Just working out regularly I went up from 2 reps at 225 to 7 and heavier weight from 230 once to 260 once today and that was after 225(7x), 250 (2x) and then pushed up 260. Havoc WORKS for sure!! I am 100% sure of that. I also haven't retained much water weight either. I'm still pretty damn lean. Cheers, angel77

 

[TexanTA1996]

So you've conveniently put on another 5lbs in the last 4 days, despite it taking you 4 weeks to put on the first 5lbs? Ok, whatever. There's really no way of telling what is/is not water weight, except knowing that running an oral steroid you will be putting on water.

 

[ZECH]

So you've conveniently put on another 5lbs in the last 4 days, despite it taking you 4 weeks to put on the first 5lbs? Ok, whatever. There's really no way of telling what is/is not water weight, except knowing that running an oral steroid you will be putting on water.

No it doesn't. It does not aromatize or convert to estrogen. Let me put this nicely.............do some more study before you post on this subject again.

 

[TexanTA1996]

No it doesn't. It does not aromatize or convert to estrogen. Let me put this nicely.............do some more study before you post on this subject again.

Right. That's why there's 90 pages on bb.com of people complaining of higher bp as a result of water retention, as well as puffy nipples and hardness under the nipples.

I'm sure that also explains how people put on 5lbs in 3 or 4 days. Do you honestly believe it's possible for the human body to manufacture 5lbs of fat or muscle in less than a week? It's water weight.

 

[angel77]

Day 22 -GAINS!!

diet the same!

bench today-
135 (10x)-warm up
185 (10x)
225 (7x) *PR*
250 (2x) *PR*
260 (1x) *PR*
225 (3x + 1x reverse)
185 (10x)
135 (17x)

Absolutely great workout today. It's crazy, when I'm doing my warm up at 135 I don't feel any stronger and the reps don't seem any easier but then as the weight gets piled on it just goes up. I don't know how exactly to explain it. My state of mind doesn't even seem different I just feel very confident when I lift it off the rack. I'd never tried 250lbs and it went up so easily I had to go for another rep and no probs! I figured just for the hell of it go for 260. It was about 30 seconds after I did 250 twice and I popped it right up.
Let me tell everybody something, the Havoc WORKS!! I always look forward to doing bench and it's a workout I always struggled at until now. It's so nice to get over a hump. Still eating clean and actually looking forward to cutting here in about 5 weeks. I'm ready to shred!! Cheers guys, I hope this assures you non-believers that orals do work and a product like this works VERY WELL on its own. Just for the record about my weight... I have gained a total of 8-9lbs. I fluctuate like everyone else right around 203 and 204lbs. To be honest, I'd just assume adding strength all along. I don't care to much about adding more weight. This has been a very successful cycle thus far and it's just the start of my 4th week. I'm looking forward to gains going into my 5th week. Peace dogs!!!!

 

[biggfly]

If we all stop and think about it a little more in depth, and maybe TexanTA comes across a little brash or whatnot, but in general the guy is really just trying to educate people and possibly save someone from harming themselves by saying their are safer alternatives than these orals. Albeit, at times he is borderline insulting or harsh and maybe could hone his PR skills!! But generally speaking, he is in a way looking out for the health of some of these cats by either trying to sway them away from harm, or take a safer alternate route. Can't really fault a guy for trying to point someone in a better direction, even if it is not accesible by most, and his method may need softening. But at the end of the day, he is trying to point out some valid, and potentially heath saving points. I get it at least, what his jest is.

 

[lucifuge]

If we all stop and think about it a little more in depth, and maybe TexanTA comes across a little brash or whatnot, but in general the guy is really just trying to educate people and possibly save someone from harming themselves by saying their are safer alternatives than these orals. Albeit, at times he is borderline insulting or harsh and maybe could hone his PR skills!! But generally speaking, he is in a way looking out for the health of some of these cats by either trying to sway them away from harm, or take a safer alternate route. Can't really fault a guy for trying to point someone in a better direction, even if it is not accesible by most, and his method may need softening. But at the end of the day, he is trying to point out some valid, and potentially heath saving points. I get it at least, what his jest is.

I agree with you here bro.
I think Texan means well, it's just that he comes across as such a condescending prick about oh, 99.9% of the time that it's hard not to instinctively dislike him.

 

[CG]

If we all stop and think about it a little more in depth, and maybe TexanTA comes across a little brash or whatnot, but in general the guy is really just trying to educate people and possibly save someone from harming themselves by saying their are safer alternatives than these orals. Albeit, at times he is borderline insulting or harsh and maybe could hone his PR skills!! But generally speaking, he is in a way looking out for the health of some of these cats by either trying to sway them away from harm, or take a safer alternate route. Can't really fault a guy for trying to point someone in a better direction, even if it is not accesible by most, and his method may need softening. But at the end of the day, he is trying to point out some valid, and potentially heath saving points. I get it at least, what his jest is.

Ok, I can tell you some of that might be true (you are being speculative of texan's intentions as we all are, so we can't be 100 % sure) but here's my thing, I haven't seen disdain for ph's in general since the local street corner hustler moved up to gear in gyms... Idk man, maybe he's that strong on his views? Maybe he's a lockerroom hustler? Maybe he's really got the best intentions at heart, but I feel like this whole issue is about to become the 9th wonder of the world...

 

[ZECH]

Right. That's why there's 90 pages on bb.com of people complaining of higher bp as a result of water retention, as well as puffy nipples and hardness under the nipples.

I'm sure that also explains how people put on 5lbs in 3 or 4 days. Do you honestly believe it's possible for the human body to manufacture 5lbs of fat or muscle in less than a week? It's water weight.

I did not say it would not raise bp. Most any oral steroid will, especially methyls. Water weight is not coming from the epi......it's makeup just doesn't allow it. More than likely it is diet related and the water could be from it. Again, most of the gyno problems are post cycle related to high estrogen not being taken care of. None I have seen is during cycle.

 

[angel77]

positive / negative comments

If we all stop and think about it a little more in depth, and maybe TexanTA comes across a little brash or whatnot, but in general the guy is really just trying to educate people and possibly save someone from harming themselves by saying their are safer alternatives than these orals. Albeit, at times he is borderline insulting or harsh and maybe could hone his PR skills!! But generally speaking, he is in a way looking out for the health of some of these cats by either trying to sway them away from harm, or take a safer alternate route. Can't really fault a guy for trying to point someone in a better direction, even if it is not accesible by most, and his method may need softening. But at the end of the day, he is trying to point out some valid, and potentially heath saving points. I get it at least, what his jest is.

I did not portray his comments to be helpful in any way at all. They are simply negative attacks on the product (which works by the way) and in no way even remotely sounded like he was looking out for anyones health. I'm not retaining water, look at my pics, and strength has gone way up. Over 35lbs on bench alone. I have a feeling he had a bad experience and is just an angry cat. Simple as that. I stick to my philosophy that I will listen to everyones comments, positive or negative. Cheers always guys, this has been great thus far.

I'll be off to Disney World for "Taste of the Senses" tonight with the fam so I'll probably post again early next week. If I have time, I'll post while I'm there. I'll be getting up at 5:00 to get in a good workout.

 

[TexanTA1996]

I'm not retaining water, look at my pics, and strength has gone way up. Over 35lbs on bench alone. I have a feeling he had a bad experience and is just an angry cat.

Everyone should note that if you check the date on the actual pictures, 9 weeks have passed since the first picture was taken lol. If you want people to believe you, take a picture at the beginning of the cycle, not 5 weeks before you started. Anyways, I was just going to say that it looks like you've blown up with water in that last pic. You look bigger, but very puffy and not as lean (holding water). Side by side it's easier to tell...I also love your logic. Someone disagrees with you so their opinion must be bias in some way. You just refuse to accept the fact that you're using a product that's less effective and much harder on your body than other drugs, simply because it's easier to get. Look, that's fine with me. I however, in the past, have chose to put the health of my body first and use the safer and more effective options. Each his own.

 

[angel77]

Everyone should note that if you check the date on the actual pictures, 9 weeks have passed since the first picture was taken lol. If you want people to believe you, take a picture at the beginning of the cycle, not 5 weeks before you started. Anyways, I was just going to say that it looks like you've blown up with water in that last pic. You look bigger, but very puffy and not as lean (holding water). Side by side it's easier to tell...I also love your logic. Someone disagrees with you so their opinion must be bias in some way. You just refuse to accept the fact that you're using a product that's less effective and much harder on your body than other drugs, simply because it's easier to get. Look, that's fine with me. I however, in the past, have chose to put the health of my body first and use the safer and more effective options. Each his own.

WHAT ARE YOUR SAFER AND MORE EFFECTIVE OPTIONS? I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. THANKS ALOT!

 

[workingatit43]

Here we go again Texan coming on to hate. Anyone who thinks he is trying to help just go through all his old posts. He is here for one thing and one thing only to bash products(which he has the right to do). I will say it again if you do not like the product Texan state that you do not like it and leave it at that.DO NOT BUY THE PRODUCTS

The constant bashing and complaining is really old bro. It would be nice if you ever actually tried to help someone without coming off sideways like you do. You do not have your data correct either. I ran Havoc and it was so dry of a compound that your joints can bother you. I had to up big time my fish oil intake to help with that. I gained 11 lbs in 28 days and kept 9 after pct it was a very good product.

With all this being said it is very good if used correctly. If you take them and do not have a good diet or training routine they are basically worthless and can be dangerous.

 

[TexanTA1996]

If you take them and do not have a good diet or training routine they are basically worthless and can be dangerous.

It's a steroid, an oral one. Orals are harder on your liver than injectables. It has numerous side effects that come along with it. I'm trying to tell this guy there are safer, more effective drugs out there, and yet somehow I'm an asshole. Take your head out of your ass.

You kept 9lbs over the course of a month. If you had been doing this all natural, you could have gained 5lbs in that same amount of time, with absolutely zero side effects. Is the risk really worth the extra 4lbs?

 

[ZECH]

It's a steroid, an oral one. Orals are harder on your liver than injectables. It has numerous side effects that come along with it. I'm trying to tell this guy there are safer, more effective drugs out there, and yet somehow I'm an asshole. Take your head out of your ass.

You kept 9lbs over the course of a month. If you had been doing this all natural, you could have gained 5lbs in that same amount of time, with absolutely zero side effects. Is the risk really worth the extra 4lbs?

What you will not admit is that the injectables you refer to are ILLEGAL!! Most people here do not want to risk going to jail. You do it long enough and you will get busted.

 

[CG]

What you will not admit is that the injectables you refer to are ILLEGAL!! Most people here do not want to risk going to jail. You do it long enough and you will get busted.

You know man.. I was thinking about this in the gym and had the dame conclusion! A lot of people don't like gear due to the moral/legal issues and rammificatons and risks (namely, me!) If that's your thing if people want to go that route, they will, I just don't get why you push it SO hard..

 

[workingatit43]

It's a steroid, an oral one. Orals are harder on your liver than injectables. It has numerous side effects that come along with it. I'm trying to tell this guy there are safer, more effective drugs out there, and yet somehow I'm an asshole. Take your head out of your ass.

You kept 9lbs over the course of a month. If you had been doing this all natural, you could have gained 5lbs in that same amount of time, with absolutely zero side effects. Is the risk really worth the extra 4lbs?

Yes it is totally illegal for me to be caught with a vial of Test e but if I get stopped with a bottle of Epi there is no problem. If you are willing to take the risk I will agree that injectable steriods are more effective and have been studied long term. But your also risking getting busted. I feel many people that come to these boards know that the orals are less effective and harsher than injectables and they are free to choose what path they will take.

Again I say it is cool to voice your dislike of a product but to continue to go on and on about it(which seems to be the only thing you do on this board). IF YOU DO NOT LIKE A PRODUCT VOICE IT AND MOVE ON YOUR BEATING A DEAD HORSE

 

[psychobabble]

hey angel .. cool log man

how's you weight coming along w/ havoc ?

and by adding mmv2 ..do you feel like you are getting better pumps in the gym and feeling better abt ureself ? or to early to tell ?


good luck man