Not looking good for California Prop 8

[Little Wing]

the government can't tell my church what doctrines to preach.

nor should it. i absolutely agree with you there. i just think the line got drawn a lot further back than it needed to be. don't some churches refuse to marry people who have been divorced? that should be their right, they should not have to cow down to anything contrary to their beliefs. at the same time there are other people in the world with different beliefs and they should have the right to live as they desire to also. free from the restrictions placed on them by the beliefs of others just as you are asking that your church be allowed to do. if the lawsuits were the issue they should have been addressed but the easier thing to do was throw the baby out with the bath water i guess????

in the links you posted there was a lot of if it passes this "may" happen that "may" happen. maybe in the future a better understanding of both sides needs and fears will make it possible for people with opposing views and lifestyles to coexist in harmony... IF people are willing to even try.

 

[Will Brink]

You are a true dickhead sometimes, but damn you make good points.

Do I tell you to go fu^% yourself or do I say thanx? I'm confused.

 

[KelJu]

Do I tell you to go fu^% yourself or do I say thanx? I'm confused.

Say both, and join my world of internal conflict.

 

[Will Brink]

Say both, and join my world of internal conflict.

I got my own. I can't add your internal conflicts to mine, or I will end up with multiple personality syndrome.

 

[maniclion]

Yeah Will's right there was a time when our next Presidents parents would have been thrown in jail for even being together. Anti-miscegenation laws never prevented many of my ancestors from getting together thank God but I'm willing to bet it made things hard for them.....

 

[Will Brink]

Yeah Will's right there was a time when our next Presidents parents would have been thrown in jail for even being together. Anti-miscegenation laws never prevented many of my ancestors from getting together thank God but I'm willing to bet it made things hard for them.....

It's sad but predictable those that oppose same sex marriage try to pretend it's not an equal rights issue, because if they did, they would see a bigot looking back at them in the mirror.

 

[bio-chem]

well I guess everyone can just go ahead and kiss my white bigoted ass.

calling me a bigot is a bunch of horse shit

 

[Will Brink]

well I guess everyone can just go ahead and kiss my white bigoted ass.

calling me a bigot is a bunch of horse shit

No bigot likes to be called a bigot. If the shoe fits:

"A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind."(1)


(1) Bigotry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[maniclion]

well I guess everyone can just go ahead and kiss my white bigoted ass.

calling me a bigot is a bunch of horse shit

What should we call you then? Hateful? Selfish? Intolerant? Persecutionist? Dogmatist?

 

[min0 lee]

We may just terminate Prop 8

Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
SACRAMENTO, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Sunday said "we will ... maybe undo" a measure passed by voters Tuesday stripping same-sex couples of the right to marry.
Proposition 8 amends the state constitution to declare that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." It came in reaction to a state Supreme Court ruling that laws prohibiting same-sex marriage violated the state constitution.

In an appearance Sunday on CNN, Schwarzenegger said the state Supreme Court might overturn Proposition 8, the Los Angeles Times reported. He also said it is likely Proposition 8 will have no effect on the estimated 18,000 same-sex marriages already recorded in California.

 

[min0 lee]

 

[ZECH]

Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
SACRAMENTO, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Sunday said "we will ... maybe undo" a measure passed by voters Tuesday stripping same-sex couples of the right to marry.
Proposition 8 amends the state constitution to declare that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." It came in reaction to a state Supreme Court ruling that laws prohibiting same-sex marriage violated the state constitution.

In an appearance Sunday on CNN, Schwarzenegger said the state Supreme Court might overturn Proposition 8, the Los Angeles Times reported. He also said it is likely Proposition 8 will have no effect on the estimated 18,000 same-sex marriages already recorded in California.

Why even vote if the court knows best? That is a crock of shit. Again, that is the second time the people have voted. I guess we need to let the liberal judges take over our country since they obviously know what we want.

 

[Dale Mabry]

my argument simply states that my church can simply continue to teach it's doctrines because prop 8 passed. not that gay marriage threatens the doctrines of my church. if prop 8 had failed my church can now be brought in court for simply teaching it's doctrines. i think not. the government can't tell my church what doctrines to preach.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe all that would happen is that they would lose their tax exempt status. Sooooooo, they can choose to only marry heteros and pay taxes, or they can marry gays as well and keep their tax exempt status. No fundamental right is being denied to your church. Wow, that argument seems very familiar.

 

[maniclion]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe all that would happen is that they would lose their tax exempt status. Sooooooo, they can choose to only marry heteros and pay taxes, or they can marry gays as well and keep their tax exempt status. No fundamental right is being denied to your church. Wow, that argument seems very familiar.

I've seen a church refuse because they didn't want to wed couples who had children out of wedlock so I don't see an issue. Most gay people wouldn't want a Church that preaches hate towards them to get their money for a ceremnoy anyhow I would think.....There are also churches who won't marry inter-racial couples....

 

[Little Wing]

i think that the street needs to be two way. i don't see why it is so hard to respect the rights of people to embrace a certain faith and to not blatantly piss in their face for their differing beliefs. if a church doesn't want to marry certain couples, and their refusal is faith based, they shouldn't have to. there are plenty of others that will. however, a restaurant refusing to serve food etc would be a whole different thing.

 

[DOMS]

if a church doesn't want to marry certain couples, and their refusal is faith based, they shouldn't have to.

There in lies the problem. A group of gays is using a given church's refusal to marry them as grounds to get them legally punished.

Which created the swell of support behind prop 8.

 

[crazy_enough]

Cant you be married somewhere other than a church in the US? Like city hall or judge judy or whatever?

 

[DOMS]

Cant you be married somewhere other than a church in the US? Like city hall or judge judy or whatever?

Sure you can. Plus, you can get married in any church that's willing to do it for you.

Unfortunately, a few people are screwing it up for the rest of the gays.

 

[crazy_enough]

Sure you can. Plus, you can get married in any church that's willing to do it for you.

Unfortunately, a few people are screwing it up for the rest of the gays.

ok, thought so.... Then why oh why make such a big fuss out of being married at a specific church? Why the fawk would anyone want to be married by a church or organization which doesnt support their beliefs is beyond me...

 

[DOMS]

ok, thought so.... Then why oh why make such a big fuss out of being married at a specific church? Why the fawk would anyone want to be married by a church or organization which doesnt support their beliefs is beyond me...

It's because gays (in the US, anyway) have moved beyond the "I wan't equal rights phase." They're now on to the phase that blacks have been on for sometime. That's the "equal rights means that I get to shit on you now" phase.

This is only going to make enemies.

 

[maniclion]

ok, thought so.... Then why oh why make such a big fuss out of being married at a specific church? Why the fawk would anyone want to be married by a church or organization which doesnt support their beliefs is beyond me...

That's what I said the Church charges for ceremonies don't they so why provide financial support to an institution that is trying to persecute your way of life?

 

[crazy_enough]

It's because gays (in the US, anyway) have moved beyond the "I wan't equal rights phase." They're now on to the phase that blacks have been on for sometime. That's the "equal rights means that I get to shit on you now" phase.

This is only going to make enemies.

Altho, U have to ''understand'' that being oppressed for so long does leave a bad taste in one's mouth... I can kinda see how some may want to tell all to f** off and stick it, ya know.

I must admit I dont think so kindly of revoking such a right... Its pretty ridiculous that in 2008 gays must still fight to be recognized as equals to the heterosexual population.

 

[Little Wing]

I must admit I dont think so kindly of revoking such a right... Its pretty ridiculous that in 2008 gays must still fight to be recognized as equals to the heterosexual population.

amen to that

 

[DOMS]

Altho, U have to ''understand'' that being oppressed for so long does leave a bad taste in one's mouth... I can kinda see how some may want to tell all to f** off and stick it, ya know.

I must admit I dont think so kindly of revoking such a right... Its pretty ridiculous that in 2008 gays must still fight to be recognized as equals to the heterosexual population.

Sure, they can keep doing it...it's worked so well for the blacks.

 

[crazy_enough]

Sure, they can keep doing it...it's worked so well for the blacks.

It was no less ridiculous for black folks to endure such a struggle... Geez...people are just that: people. They come in all shapes, sizes, skin tones and have varying belief systems and values.

Perhaps we should all be evaluated, judged and scored based on this criteria; then depending on each individual's score, rights would be granted...

 

[DOMS]

It was no less ridiculous for black folks to endure such a struggle... Geez...people are just that: people. They come in all shapes, sizes, skin tones and have varying belief systems and values.

Perhaps we should all be evaluated, judged and scored based on this criteria; then depending on each individual's score, rights would be granted...

You misunderstood.

I wasn't saying that gays shouldn't get equal rights, I was saying that if they continue pulling the shit that blacks have, they're only going to prolong the problem.

 

[min0 lee]

Why even vote if the court knows best? That is a crock of shit. Again, that is the second time the people have voted. I guess we need to let the liberal judges take over our country since they obviously know what we want.

Legality of Same-Sex Marriage Ban Challenged
LOS ANGELES -- The future of same-sex marriage in the Golden State will rest, once again, in the hands of its highest court. But this time, its fate will hinge on a different question: Can a state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage go before voters? Or must it go before the legislature first?

The answer, legal experts say, will determine whether gay rights advocates can overturn Proposition 8, a recently passed ballot measure that overruled a state Supreme Court judgment that legalized same-sex marriage.

Three lawsuits, ready since the initiative was green-lighted for the November ballot, have been filed with the California Supreme Court asking it to stop the state from enforcing the proposition until the court has decided on its constitutionality. The suits aim to undo the measure on grounds that, under the equal protection clause in the state's constitution, a majority of voters are not allowed to revoke equal rights intended for everybody.

 

[RexStunnahH]

Cant you be married somewhere other than a church in the US? Like city hall or judge judy or whatever?

I read on a website that was protesting the mormon temples that the church doesnt hate gays or is against them,but rather they want to keep their values.
But isnt this what a democracy is about? That we go with the majority of the votes....?
Theres alot of things not going my way(laws and stuff),but I aint gonna cry about it infront of an establishment that played a big role in going against me,they shouldnt get mad at the opposition,they should get mad at not having enough support.There will always be people who dont agree with you,me us......what should the patients who use medical cannabis do when their state didnt pass for medical MJ,go protest outside the pharmacie
companies like bayer,johnson and merc?
If gay supporters had enough votes,they would have won,but they didnt....we shouldnt blame the opposition,we should blame the people who say they are for gay marriages,but didnt vote.

 

[Splash Log]

I read on a website that was protesting the mormon temples that the church doesnt hate gays or is against them,but rather they want to keep their values.
But isnt this what a democracy is about? That we go with the majority of the votes....?
Theres alot of things not going my way(laws and stuff),but I aint gonna cry about it infront of an establishment that played a big role in going against me,they shouldnt get mad at the opposition,they should get mad at not having enough support.There will always be people who dont agree with you,me us......what should the patients who use medical cannabis do when their state didnt pass for medical MJ,go protest outside the pharmacie
companies like bayer,johnson and merc?
If gay supporters had enough votes,they would have won,but they didnt....we shouldnt blame the opposition,we should blame the people who say they are for gay marriages,but didnt vote.

Doesn't mean the majority is right, if we went by that logic how long would of slavery lasted in the south?

 

[DOMS]

Doesn't mean the majority is right, if we went by that logic how long would of slavery lasted in the south?

As long as it took for stronger, northern half, of the US to decide otherwise.