Another Police Vid

[Fetusaurus Rex]

I am so damn tired of people bitching about the rights of criminals. did this guy treat who ever he wronged with respect when he broke the law? either you roll over or you get hit again. you beat my ass with a baton one time and i will be the most respectful compliant son of a bitch there is. hell, ill hand cuff myself. This dumb mother fucker was obviously too stupid to roll over to his stomach and let himself be handcuffed. I have little sympathy for him.

If you are suggesting that this is punishment for his crime then I still think this is wrong....If you believe the punishment should fit the crime at least wait till the trial is over, he has rights until that point if he is found guilty, and even in that case if the punishment fits the crime, his crime needs to be equal....Like beating someone who is hopeless with a blunt object...

I don't know what his crime was, just judging by what I see in the video...

If he killed a loved one of the cop, and the cop saw it in plain sight with no question as to who it was, then by all means....Batter up cop!

 

[bio-chem]

If you are suggesting that this is punishment for his crime then I still think this is wrong....If you believe the punishment should fit the crime at least wait till the trial is over, he has rights until that point if he is found guilty, and even in that case if the punishment fits the crime, his crime needs to be equal....Like beating someone who is hopeless with a blunt object...

I don't know what his crime was, just judging by what I see in the video...

If he killed a loved one of the cop, and the cop saw it in plain sight with no question as to who it was, then by all means....Batter up cop!

So what exactly are cops to do then when someone decides to resist arrest? Your job is to handcuff him and he is struggling every time you make that attempt. Ask him nicely? I do think that the punishment fit the crime. the crime was resisting arrest. The punishment is the cop hits him once to get him to comply. when he fails to comply he continues to get hit. at any point in time the guy was empowered to end his own beating. This isn't a case of him being hand cuffed and then the cop beats the shit out of him when he is restrained. It was up to him to comply. this is a cut and dry situation. i still don't see how there are those who can side against the cops here.

The only caveat I have to this is if this man is mentally disabled.

 

[Fetusaurus Rex]

So what exactly are cops to do then when someone decides to resist arrest? Your job is to handcuff him and he is struggling every time you make that attempt. Ask him nicely? I do think that the punishment fit the crime. the crime was resisting arrest. The punishment is the cop hits him once to get him to comply. when he fails to comply he continues to get hit. at any point in time the guy was empowered to end his own beating. This isn't a case of him being hand cuffed and then the cop beats the shit out of him when he is restrained. It was up to him to comply. this is a cut and dry situation. i still don't see how there are those who can side against the cops here.

The only caveat I have to this is if this man is mentally disabled.

Fair enough, that makes sense...

It pisses me off sometimes too when watching on tv someone constantly resisting, and it makes me want to slap the guy around, but that is why I would make a lousy cop...In this specific video after the first hit all he did was what any human would natural do, try to get in the fetal position and cover up, once you get hit it is natural that your hand shoots to that spot to cover it/check for blood....

but yea I suppose he eventually got the job done, and the criminal should have never resisted in the first place

 

[AKIRA]

Hitting the guy in the knees with that...Ku-baton or something once wasnt enough? I see the guy grabbing his legs after hes struck. Well gee golly, why not try to grab his wrists now?

all he did was what any human would natural do, try to get in the fetal position and cover up, once you get hit it is natural that your hand shoots to that spot to cover it/check for blood....

Wise minds think alike. Or maybe we can just think.

I suppose bio thinks that responding to pain is considered resisting too. That is, if thats what the big bad police officer says.

 

[bio-chem]

Wise minds think alike. Or maybe we can just think.

I suppose bio thinks that responding to pain is considered resisting too. That is, if thats what the big bad police officer says.

I'm not sure that we watched the same video after reading some of your posts

 

[Mudge]

I suppose bio thinks that responding to pain is considered resisting too. That is, if thats what the big bad police officer says.

So you open your damn mouth and you say OK OK (Uncle), I give up damn that hurts. If all you can do is react and not THINK and open your MOUTH then someone is going to bust you for RESISTING.

Not you personally of course, but you have to have clarity and all the guy did was RESIST from start to finish.

He would have never gotten hit if he wasn't resisting with clear fervour to begin with

 

[AKIRA]

I understand that everyone is saying why he did what he did.

I am saying that the explanations dont validate the severity of force required (or seemed to be).

 

[soxmuscle]

So what exactly are cops to do then when someone decides to resist arrest? Your job is to handcuff him and he is struggling every time you make that attempt. Ask him nicely? I do think that the punishment fit the crime. the crime was resisting arrest. The punishment is the cop hits him once to get him to comply. when he fails to comply he continues to get hit. at any point in time the guy was empowered to end his own beating. This isn't a case of him being hand cuffed and then the cop beats the shit out of him when he is restrained. It was up to him to comply. this is a cut and dry situation. i still don't see how there are those who can side against the cops here.

The only caveat I have to this is if this man is mentally disabled.

The guy was hit 10-15 times with a baton.

The odds that in the middle of this forceful (completely unnecessary) beating you would think about doing something other than to curl up into a ball to protect yourself are slim and none.

 

[soxmuscle]

My hometown is ridiculous about underage drinking, mainly because crime doesn't exist outside of mischievous adolescents.

In high school, I was walking home from a party once and I got swarmed by three cop cars who all got out of their cars and ran to tackle me.

Once I was tackled, one officer shoved my face into the snow, another one's knee was in my back, while the third one stomped my legs.

Being that I was already on my stomach and I wasn't able to move my arms, my only reaction was to either do nothing or curl up into a ball.

I chose the latter, yelling "police brutality!" at the top of my lungs.

As soon as I started yelling, the officers got off of me and watched as I sat there in excruciating pain.

They told me to call my Mom and I obliged. While on her way, I sat in the snow (they wouldn't let me stand) telling them how they were "cocksucking pieces of shit" and "low life scum sucking motherfuckers," among other things.

When my Mom arrived, I didn't let the Cop tell her anything because I knew it was going to be all bullshit so I started shouting that I wasn't doing anything wrong and was simply walking home by myself.

Finally, they let me stand and get into my Mom's car.

The entire time I was walking towards the car I was asking each officer "how they could look at themselves in the mirror and be proud."

After I got in the car, we were allowed to leave and nothing happened.

Out of every single person I know.. all my friends.. all my older brothers friends.. all my younger brothers friends.. I'm the only one who's ever been in Police "custody" who was let go despite being knowingly illegally intoxicated.

Point is, there is no way in the 2-3 seconds in between night stick lashings that you're going to think to yourself: "I should roll over and place my hands behind my back." Curling up to cover up your internal organs is a subconscious human reaction to being on the ground, defenseless and being beaten with a night stick.

Another point: 99% of cops are in fact "scum sucking mother fuckers," "cocksucking pieces of shit" and should have trouble looking at themselves in the mirror with how pathetic they are.

 

[Fetusaurus Rex]

Has any of you who are defending this ever been pulled over for speeding or any traffic violation?

Was the cop pleasant to you? If not what did you do?

You can't just look at other people and judge them that easy, some of you may be very tolerant people, and I know you are all going to say "I would never resist arrest" and I am with you on that

but think about something as simple as a traffic stop where the cop verbally abuses you, talks down to you like you are scum and unintelligent, and you don't know the law, only the cops do...Has any of you verbally fought back? Told them you are an intelligent grown man and not a child and that you were maintaining proper speed and know this as a fact? Im reaching here a little but it is the same mind set

I have never had a problem with a cop to be honest, maybe Im the one who just doesn't understand....I have taken the two speeding tickets I got in stride and actually had a fine experience with the police

but it can't be said for all of them....

 

[soxmuscle]

^

A lot of people have that mindset. The mindset that they "would never do something like that."

Well, when it happens and you get shot and killed --similar to Mudge's story-- I'll be laughing.

 

[Fetusaurus Rex]

^

A lot of people have that mindset. The mindset that they "would never do something like that."

Well, when it happens and you get shot and killed --similar to Mudge's story-- I'll be laughing.

Exactly, I think it is easy to watch a video like that and assume he deserves it for some reason, or because we didnt see what happened before it started being filmed, but assuming most people here have the common sense not to resist arrest, then think of it being your close rowdy friend who doesn't like police very much getting his ass beat up with a metal baton...

This could have been worse, I don't think that the criminal felt comfortable enough in his mind that it wasn't going to get worse, he was trying to cover up, was probably expecting to get Rodney King'd...

Most people in the world aren't smart enough to know that you can't talk yourself out of being arrested....They think that if they explain themselves to police and have a good enough reason to do what they did, they won't be arrested, most of those people are also not smart enough to wait until the are handcuffed to start explaining....Doesn't mean they deserve to get beat up for being ignorant necessarily...

 

[largepkg]

Has any of you who are defending this ever been pulled over for speeding or any traffic violation?

Was the cop pleasant to you? If not what did you do?

You can't just look at other people and judge them that easy, some of you may be very tolerant people, and I know you are all going to say "I would never resist arrest" and I am with you on that

but think about something as simple as a traffic stop where the cop verbally abuses you, talks down to you like you are scum and unintelligent, and you don't know the law, only the cops do...Has any of you verbally fought back? Told them you are an intelligent grown man and not a child and that you were maintaining proper speed and know this as a fact? Im reaching here a little but it is the same mind set

I have never had a problem with a cop to be honest, maybe I'm the one who just doesn't understand....I have taken the two speeding tickets I got in stride and actually had a fine experience with the police

but it can't be said for all of them....

I've been pulled over numerous times since 16. Each incident I deserved to be pulled over and when asked if I knew why I was pulled over I said yes and apologized. This disarms the officer and you usually get a quick ticket and you're on your way.

Only on one occasion and it was recently did I have an officer who decided he could talk down to me. I politely asked the officer why he was being irate with me. He kept speaking at which point I told him I have nothing further to say and will wait for the ticket. At no point did I get confrontational with him. He went back to his car to write a ticket (or so I assumed). A few minutes later he handed me my DL and insurance card and told me to have a nice day. No ticket, no warning, nada.

Morale of the story. Everyone has bad days and some are just assholes but it's up to you to diffuse not add to the situation when dealing with an officer.

 

[AKIRA]

Exactly, I think it is easy to watch a video like that and assume he deserves it for some reason, or because we didnt see what happened before it started being filmed, but assuming most people here have the common sense not to resist arrest, then think of it being your close rowdy friend who doesn't like police very much getting his ass beat up with a metal baton...

This could have been worse, I don't think that the criminal felt comfortable enough in his mind that it wasn't going to get worse, he was trying to cover up, was probably expecting to get Rodney King'd...

Most people in the world aren't smart enough to know that you can't talk yourself out of being arrested....They think that if they explain themselves to police and have a good enough reason to do what they did, they won't be arrested, most of those people are also not smart enough to wait until the are handcuffed to start explaining....Doesn't mean they deserve to get beat up for being ignorant necessarily...

Here Here.

I am also going to go out on a limb and say that some people choose to say "shouldve complied" just to sound anti-liberal.

I keep hearing the same explanations. If he didnt resist, he wouldve have gotten beaten. While this entire time, i say the "beating" was too much and from what I SEE, its counterproductive.

However, I am thrown "What Ifs" as a means to justify such actions. Yeah, I got it. I understand why these guys did what they did. Its still overboard.

Shooting the fucker would follow the same chain of escalation AND wouldve diffused the situation, BUT thats going overboard.

Right? RIGHT?

 

[ZECH]

I keep hearing the same explanations. If he didnt resist, he wouldve have gotten beaten. While this entire time, i say the "beating" was too much and from what I SEE, its counterproductive.

However, I am thrown "What Ifs" as a means to justify such actions. Yeah, I got it. I understand why these guys did what they did. Its still overboard.

Why is it overboard? There are levels of force starting with non lethal up thru the use of lethal force. If you try hand/wrist bends and can't get the guy cuffed and he still resists, the next level is usally pepper spray, baton, taser, depends on what the officer carries and is certified with. Usually a try at arrest doesn't get past this level unless the suspect is using deadly force against the officer. If so the officer would have went directly to deadly force. Personally a taser would have been perfect in this spot. It would not have taken but 1 or two shocks and they guy would have layed absolutely still. I'm guessing the officer did not have a taser, in which case the baton was justified.
So I ask you, what IYO should the officer had done to affectively arrest this guy who was resisting and delaying the police?

 

[KelJu]

Here Here.

I am also going to go out on a limb and say that some people choose to say "shouldve complied" just to sound anti-liberal.

I keep hearing the same explanations. If he didnt resist, he wouldve have gotten beaten. While this entire time, i say the "beating" was too much and from what I SEE, its counterproductive.

However, I am thrown "What Ifs" as a means to justify such actions. Yeah, I got it. I understand why these guys did what they did. Its still overboard.

Shooting the fucker would follow the same chain of escalation AND wouldve diffused the situation, BUT thats going overboard.

Right? RIGHT?

Well, you will be hard pressed to ever hear me say "he deserved it" in a police brutality situation. But in this case, I can't get over the fact that I heard the cop yell "give me your hands" so many times that I wanted to hit the guy with the baton.

 

[AKIRA]

Why is it overboard? There are levels of force starting with non lethal up thru the use of lethal force. If you try hand/wrist bends and can't get the guy cuffed and he still resists, the next level is usally pepper spray, baton, taser, depends on what the officer carries and is certified with. Usually a try at arrest doesn't get past this level unless the suspect is using deadly force against the officer. If so the officer would have went directly to deadly force. Personally a taser would have been perfect in this spot. It would not have taken but 1 or two shocks and they guy would have layed absolutely still. I'm guessing the officer did not have a taser, in which case the baton was justified.
So I ask you, what IYO should the officer had done to affectively arrest this guy who was resisting and delaying the police?

Option 1 Wait until the 3rd officer arrived. The 3rd officer walked up in the vid, but if the officers stayed down, fighting, the 3rd officer wouldve arrived in haste. Yeah yeah, what IF the suspect attacked them in the mean time.. Well, unless he pulls a gun out of his pocket with his legs since both arms were restrained, I think they were safe.

Option 2
Hit the guy with the weapon twice. Once with no warning, then a warning for a second swing.

Option 3
Calm the fuck down and stop fighting against your partner. If I can cuff someone alone, then these two officers of the law can. I may be biased, but jesus christ.

Option 4
Use pepper spray or tazer. However, theyd have to let him go without harming the other officer....actually, Ive seen two cops on a suspect, IN PERSON, spray a guy while both officers were attempting a detainment.

 

[bio-chem]

Well, unless he pulls a gun out of his pocket with his legs since both arms were restrained, I think they were safe.

both arms were not restrained. thats the point. the guy was on the ground but his arms and hands were not restrained. the fact he could keep pulling his hands and arms back from the police show this. sometimes your posts kill me

 

[brogers]

Is the public served by this man being beaten with a baton?

Not all police are scum, but there are a substantial percentage of them that are. Police have power/authority, it attracts terrible people just like politics does.

Three officers should be able to handle one man who is not violently resisting at all without beating him with a baton. He presented no threat to the officers, nor the public. He was under their control.

I wouldn't have a big problem with it if he was a violent criminal or committing burglary, home invasion, etc... Chances are, it was probably some nonviolent misdemeanor, if so, I'm deeply disgusted.

 

[AKIRA]

Thank you for not jumping to conclusions.

 

[AKIRA]

both arms were not restrained. thats the point. the guy was on the ground but his arms and hands were not restrained. the fact he could keep pulling his hands and arms back from the police show this. sometimes your posts kill me

Unfortunetly, like this officer's clean procedure, thats not true.

 

[ZECH]

In situations like in my town, you only have one officer on duty at a time. The nearest county guy may be 30 minutes away on the other side of the county. Then what do you do? It's you and him and you have a job to do. You do what you have to do to affect the arrest. Things are always easier to second guess while watching a video. But it's not that clear cut when its taking place.

 

[DOMS]

Has any of you who are defending this ever been pulled over for speeding or any traffic violation?

Was the cop pleasant to you? If not what did you do?

You can't just look at other people and judge them that easy, some of you may be very tolerant people, and I know you are all going to say "I would never resist arrest" and I am with you on that

but think about something as simple as a traffic stop where the cop verbally abuses you, talks down to you like you are scum and unintelligent, and you don't know the law, only the cops do...Has any of you verbally fought back? Told them you are an intelligent grown man and not a child and that you were maintaining proper speed and know this as a fact? Im reaching here a little but it is the same mind set

I have never had a problem with a cop to be honest, maybe Im the one who just doesn't understand....I have taken the two speeding tickets I got in stride and actually had a fine experience with the police

but it can't be said for all of them....

It all comes down to you as an individual.

I've been pulled over at least a dozen and a half times since I've received my drivers license.

How did it play out?

Me: Hello, officer.
Officer. Hello. Do you know what the speed limit is?
Me: 65.
Officer: Do you know how fast you were going?
Me: 74 (the truth).
Officer: Okay, just watch that speed. Have a nice day.
Me: You, too.

Of the 18 or so times that I've been pulled over, I've received only four tickets (two unsafe lane changes and a two speeding tickets).

They're just doing a job. I treat everyone in the service industries with respect. Be they a waiter, a nurse, or a police officer. They're being paid to do a job, not get shit on. If you get pulled over and act belligerently from the start: you're the asshole.

It's akin to treating a waiter poorly. They're both just doing their jobs. The difference is that a waiter can only refuse you service and a cop can hit you with a fine or even a baton.

 

[ZECH]

Back to your previous post in option #1, you said " I think they were safe". Thinking and not knowing can get you killed in that line of work. I don't know about you, but I won't take that chance. I'd rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6.

 

[samadamsboyee]

Exactly!

 

[QuestionGuy]

LOL, im not going to watch the video, im not going to read most of the comments (except MINO's, he seems to be fair)....But there is so much that people don;t understand it's actually kind of funny to see Mondaymorning quarterbacking from a nice keyboard and and expensive office chair.......

 

[QuestionGuy]

My hometown is ridiculous about underage drinking, mainly because crime doesn't exist outside of mischievous adolescents.

In high school, I was walking home from a party once and I got swarmed by three cop cars who all got out of their cars and ran to tackle me.

Once I was tackled, one officer shoved my face into the snow, another one's knee was in my back, while the third one stomped my legs.

Being that I was already on my stomach and I wasn't able to move my arms, my only reaction was to either do nothing or curl up into a ball.

I chose the latter, yelling "police brutality!" at the top of my lungs.

As soon as I started yelling, the officers got off of me and watched as I sat there in excruciating pain.

They told me to call my Mom and I obliged. While on her way, I sat in the snow (they wouldn't let me stand) telling them how they were "cocksucking pieces of shit" and "low life scum sucking motherfuckers," among other things.

When my Mom arrived, I didn't let the Cop tell her anything because I knew it was going to be all bullshit so I started shouting that I wasn't doing anything wrong and was simply walking home by myself.

Finally, they let me stand and get into my Mom's car.

The entire time I was walking towards the car I was asking each officer "how they could look at themselves in the mirror and be proud."

After I got in the car, we were allowed to leave and nothing happened.

Out of every single person I know.. all my friends.. all my older brothers friends.. all my younger brothers friends.. I'm the only one who's ever been in Police "custody" who was let go despite being knowingly illegally intoxicated.

Point is, there is no way in the 2-3 seconds in between night stick lashings that you're going to think to yourself: "I should roll over and place my hands behind my back." Curling up to cover up your internal organs is a subconscious human reaction to being on the ground, defenseless and being beaten with a night stick.

Another point: 99% of cops are in fact "scum sucking mother fuckers," "cocksucking pieces of shit" and should have trouble looking at themselves in the mirror with how pathetic they are.

Stop the fucking crying you pussy, I bet you are one of the people who would grab onto an officers arm and not let go if some scarry shit went down....I've lived thru shit and stayed calm that only some of you military people could understand...you need people like me to live and maintain, you don;t know shit................AND NO I HAVE NO PROBLEM looking myself in the mirror, im a fuckin stud, I have a higher educcation than you, i speak three languages, been in war, and experienced more shit at 24 years old than you ever will, "YOU SCUM SUCKING MOTHER FUCKER"....ok? You have no fucking idea what people like me do, and you think that all cops stand up for each other and that the admisnistration will "cover for us"...get a fucking life, our superiors are al polititians and would screw over an officer who even remotely wronged someone.....SO FUCK YOU, i HAVE NEVER BEEN SO VOULGAR ON THIS BOARD, BUT YOU are a stupid mother fucker........Im just a normal man, like most of you here, i have a loving family, try to live my life and do the rights thing in life, im nothing special and dont want to be treated any different, that being said, i don;t need a fucking metal badge to fuck you up asshole.....and no, im not a violent cop at all, but you can come over to my house anytime......

 

[QuestionGuy]

The guy was hit 10-15 times with a baton.

The odds that in the middle of this forceful (completely unnecessary) beating you would think about doing something other than to curl up into a ball to protect yourself are slim and none.

AND YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS NECCESARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE, you have never fought a guy who is high on lsd and doesn;t feel pain, you think its fucking easy to take control over someone motions wihtout hurting them too bad???

 

[QuestionGuy]

OK, maybe i took all this shit a little too much, and I apologizse to those people who think I shouldn't be talking like this because off what I do....BUT im just a simple man like you guys....In my whole career, I have never met ONE cop who was at all anything even remotely close to what some of you are describing....ALL my cooworkers are good hard working family men trying to make the best in life..not once have i seen corruption or "abuse of power" ((what fucking power, we dont have shit for power))....Goodnite, and remember, there is someone out there who will do all the things that you people only think you would do in a stressfull situation, but most will use their animal insticnt to run away.!


PS: GO JAY CUTLER, YOU THA MAN!!

 

[maniclion]

AND YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IS NECCESARY BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE, you have never fought a guy who is high on lsd and doesn;t feel pain, you think its fucking easy to take control over someone motions wihtout hurting them too bad???

LSD? I've taken it and don't recall being so out of it that I wouldn't have felt batons smacking my shin and I certainly would have realized if cops were all over me.....