black history month

[DOMS]

I was born in Kenya and I have had the same opportunities as someone here.

Biochem just please leave this discussion. Your statements are irrelevant.

I disagree. He makes a very valid point. You had to leave your country for greater opportunity. Having to leave to succeed isn't much of a selling point.

 

[T_man]

that is very interesting, as a chemist i worked with lots of european whites and african blacks but i don't recall a european black. Hmm, that is interesting, i never thought that blacks in europe would be less educated than blacks in africa..

The education system is much harder, school days are longer (my primary was in the 8-4-4 system and there was a 7AM class start to 3PM from years 1-4 and then from 4-8 it was 7-5 with a 10-2 saturday class).

When I came here, the stuff they were doing was 2 years behind what we learnt in Kenya. Infact right now in uni I'm learning stuff that in Kenya my cousin learnt in high school.

I'm not saying that in general they are brighter, but due to the education system, I would say someone coming out of a kenyan high school is much more educated than someone from the UK.

 

[T_man]

For as much as you and I disagree, we have a lot of overlap.

Finally some love on these boards

 

[bio-chem]

The third world's progress is being supressed by western forces. This is what stops africa getting to a stage where there can be a stable governing body. The west supports bad third world governments because it benefits the west.

I've lived in the third world and progress is being suppressed by their own governments.

We have interfered in many places it is true, and I don't agree with our policies that do so, but are you really saying that if the west completely left Africa that Africans would sort things out and provide governments that were stable governing bodies that provided for basic human rights?

I find that concept to be completely bogus. Africa left unto itself would revert to the worst forms of barbarism the world has ever seen.

 

[DOMS]

What a cop out statement if I ever heard one. And I wouldnt call China or India 'western forces'

I'm going to second this. 99% of all oppression in Africa is African on African.

Although, I've found that many third-world people define "western oppression" as not giving enough free money.

 

[danzik17]

Of course not, for instance why don't I push how asians have higher mathmatical IQs than whites and blacks?

YouTube Video

 

[T_man]

What a cop out statement if I ever heard one. And I wouldnt call China or India 'western forces'

Capt, if only you knew. Lets take Iraq as an example. Wtf was happening there? It was invaded in response to 9/11 where the terrorists were actually in Afghanistan.
Furthermore the weapons of mass destruction weren't there.
Furthermore any weapons they had were given to them by your government.
Furthermore there just happened to be oil in the area and Iraq could serve as a good stronghold for transporting that oil.
What coincidences?

Oil was found in Kenya. On the same vein that runs through the middle east. Kenyans found it. The US intervened and paid the government to rubbish those claims, and silence the people who found it, and then sent their own prospectors to say that it wasn't there. At the same time Kenya and the US just happened to improve their relations with added support from the US.

Furthermore, if the war in Iraq was to "help the nation" why haven't they invaded Zimbabwe?

Your government is as much a con as any other.

 

[T_man]

my dad worked for the cia, he tells me this all the time, not specifically about africa, just supporting bad governments to suit our own agenda (pinochet comes to mind) and for a while we were instrumental in pol pots rise to power, he was a critical cia assett against vietnam, even backed him for admission to UN, then we turned coat against him, my dad should know he spent 15 years in indochina and cleaningup after the killing field with air america.

yea it's not known that much, only people close to the high ranks know

 

[T_man]

I've lived in the third world and progress is being suppressed by their own governments.

We have interfered in many places it is true, and I don't agree with our policies that do so, but are you really saying that if the west completely left Africa that Africans would sort things out and provide governments that were stable governing bodies that provided for basic human rights?

I find that concept to be completely bogus. Africa left unto itself would revert to the worst forms of barbarism the world has ever seen.

Iraq is in shit thanks to your government. So is Afghanistan. Sure it was against western ideals before and isn't as much now but it's in much more shit than it was.

And thats funny. If only you know the things the Europeans did to African resistant "militants".

 

[T_man]

I'm going to second this. 99% of all oppression in Africa is African on African.

Although, I've found that many third-world people define "western oppression" as not giving enough free money.

The western's success is built upon the exploitation of the third world. Whole cities here in the UK were built by slaves alone.

I'm not going to say much more because you'll think I'm a conspiracy theorist but your government is much more sinister than you think.

 

[bio-chem]

I disagree. He makes a very valid point. You had to leave your country for greater opportunity. Having to leave to succeed isn't much of a selling point.

 

[T_man]

I disagree. He makes a very valid point. You had to leave your country for greater opportunity. Having to leave to succeed isn't much of a selling point.

I'm just nit-picking.

 

[DOMS]

Oil was found in Kenya. On the same vein that runs through the middle east. Kenyans found it. The US intervened and paid the government to rubbish those claims, and silence the people who found it, and then sent their own prospectors to say that it wasn't there. At the same time Kenya and the US just happened to improve their relations with added support from the US.

So what you're saying is that the US bought the Kenyans out of the oil rights? What's to stop the Kenyan government from just saying "the deal is off" and drilling? Might it be because whatever concessions the US government is giving them doesn't make it worth it?

That's not a con, that's a business deal.

 

[T_man]

So what you're saying is that the US bought the Kenyans out of the oil rights? What's to stop the Kenyan government from just saying "the deal is off" and drilling? Might it be because whatever concessions the US government is giving them doesn't make it worth it?

That's not a con, that's a business deal.

The thing that's stopping them is the greed of the government and the few people benefiting from this deal.

Kenya is very capable of self support.

 

[bio-chem]

The western's success is built upon the exploitation of the third world. Whole cities here in the UK were built by slaves alone.

I'm not going to say much more because you'll think I'm a conspiracy theorist but your government is much more sinister than you think.

and a man born in kenya, educated in the UK knows more about the US government than does the American people? really?

 

[DOMS]

The western's success is built upon the exploitation of the third world. Whole cities here in the UK were built by slaves alone.

I'm not going to say much more because you'll think I'm a conspiracy theorist but your government is much more sinister than you think.

Say as much as you want, there's no conspiracy about it. Everyone fought for their side, and there were winners and there were losers. Yes, it sucks to be a loser, but it's great to be a winner.

Having said that, past oppression and exploitation isn't keeping Africa the way it is now. The Africans are doing that.

 

[DOMS]

The thing that's stopping them is the greed of the government and the few people benefiting from this deal.

Kenya is very capable of self support.

So what you're saying is that it's the people's fault for not electing a better government?

 

[bio-chem]

Iraq is in shit thanks to your government. So is Afghanistan. Sure it was against western ideals before and isn't as much now but it's in much more shit than it was.

And thats funny. If only you know the things the Europeans did to African resistant "militants".

For the first time in how many years the Iraqi people are getting to choose their government and it is in the shit thanks to my government?

yea, for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan life was sunshine and roses before the US invaded

 

[bio-chem]

So what you're saying is that it's the people's fault for not electing a better government?

 

[T_man]

and a man born in kenya, educated in the UK knows more about the US government than does the American people? really?

Information that does not require experience is not bound by national boundaries.

 

[T_man]

So what you're saying is that it's the people's fault for not electing a better government?

We did. Our previous, and current president decided to rig the elections though

 

[T_man]

Say as much as you want, there's no conspiracy about it. Everyone fought for their side, and there were winners and there were losers. Yes, it sucks to be a loser, but it's great to be a winner.

Having said that, past oppression and exploitation isn't keeping Africa the way it is now. The Africans are doing that.

Well the game is the same thing as the conspiracy. Whether you win or lose, the game is still there, and therefore the conspiracy is always there, whether it's a win or lose.

The west still have an huge hand in what goes on in the third world. You probably just don't know about it though. The information given out by your government and media however do not shed light on the real reasons for things. Kinda like the Iraq war

 

[T_man]

For the first time in how many years the Iraqi people are getting to choose their government and it is in the shit thanks to my government?

yea, for the people of Iraq and Afghanistan life was sunshine and roses before the US invaded

Yea I mean the couple of thousands Saddam killed during his dictatorship is bad but the hundreds of thousands, nearing the millions, your country killed for the "benefit" of their country (which is car bombs and rebel voilence) is just fine isn't it

But I mean. It's America. The land of the free and so anything they do has to be for the good of all those involved.

 

[bandaidwoman]

Iraq is in shit thanks to your government. So is Afghanistan. Sure it was against western ideals before and isn't as much now but it's in much more shit than it was.

the irony is that we dismembered an evil secular Baath leader , placed a democracy so the shiites can now gain controll of iraq, we have now tipped the balance of powers against sunnis in that region, shiite iran is creaming in their pants that their neighbor is now shiite, it's no wonder they have become more emboldened, an get this......shiites have a growing powerfull sect that the insane president of iran belongs to who believe the twelfth iman will come when mankind ushers in armegeddon! This is the ruling party we want to put in Iraq!

It is america's complete ignorance of the differences between shiite and sunnis, in all fairness no less than can be expected of a muslim to appreciate the difference between protestants and catholics in shaping the balance of power in old europe

 

[theCaptn']

Furthermore, if the war in Iraq was to "help the nation" why haven't they invaded Zimbabwe?

Your government is as much a con as any other.

The Chinese have brought the mineral rights for the entire nation of Zimbabwe. No-one's going to save Zimbabwe for that very reason.

. . and fyi, the Capt is a citizen of International Waters, governing his own affairs

 

[DOMS]

We did. Our previous, and current president decided to rig the elections though

And this is America's fault how?

 

[bio-chem]

Information that does not require experience is not bound by national boundaries.

and by this logic the American people would be know about what you speak.

 

[T_man]

The Chinese have brought the mineral rights for the entire nation of Zimbabwe. No-one's going to save Zimbabwe for that very reason.

Exactly

Africa & middle east are the playground of the Extreme east vs west

 

[DOMS]

Well the game is the same thing as the conspiracy. Whether you win or lose, the game is still there, and therefore the conspiracy is always there, whether it's a win or lose.

The west still have an huge hand in what goes on in the third world. You probably just don't know about it though. The information given out by your government and media however do not shed light on the real reasons for things. Kinda like the Iraq war

Like I said before, everyone thinks they're the only ones with honest reporting...

 

[bio-chem]

Yea I mean the couple of thousands Saddam killed during his dictatorship is bad but the hundreds of thousands, nearing the millions, your country killed for the "benefit" of their country (which is car bombs and rebel voilence) is just fine isn't it

But I mean. It's America. The land of the free and so anything they do has to be for the good of all those involved.

Saddam killed = couple of thousands?

car bombs and rebel violence = nearing millions my country killed?

you are woefully uninformed my friend.