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this is one gay thread . . what do you think, Pony?
The American government is a great government and I support it but it does have a confusing amnestic foreign policy
America supported funded and lobbied for POL POt, then we erased that memory from the public and turned into the good guy that helped fight his genocidal regime
We supported and funded the Taliban ( despite feminist humanity groups warning against it) so we could support our agenda against Russsia. Now, we are showing the world we are leading the fight against them
We supported funded Sadam during the Iraq, Iran war, now we actively dismembered the regime . We promote democracy only after we have used its dictatorial regime for our own ends.
Pinochet, Batista, many south american dictators ( nicuaragua, panamanian dictators etc. ), the list goes on.
It's very confusing to the outside world,almost schizophrenic, we lobby for democracy but support dictators who are the antithesis of democracy. but as my Dad said, at the time it served our political agenda and nationalistic fortification . He will not apologize for his efforts in the CIA even though he knows the truth of our inconcistent foreign policy. That is why as much as I dislike my home county's suppression of tibetian nationalistic self determinancy, it is only in the national interest of fortification ( tibet provides the best natural barrier from potential invasion from a rising super power, south Asia) that I cannot condemn them since every great super power, including this one, must sometimes do what is necessary to protect itself. Almost a political "survival of the fittest", natural evolution playing out in politics. As such, we are all culpable of violating some basic ethical tenets.
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Best post of the thread.
Fuck your dad!
He is a great american, served in Air America, lead search and rescue in vietnam to save POWs, was a POW for three years, then after the war helped the cambodians flee from POl POt.
It's funny how if I said he was a war veteran, ( which he was) don't think anyone would have dispareged him.
He spent 15 years in Indochina furthering the interest of our government, my Taiwanese mom included.
By the way, why don't you refute everything I just posted. All I did was support my dad's summnation with facts. He is absolutely correct, we sometimes support oppressive regimes ,Pol Pot, Taliban, saddam, Pinochet, Batista, Ortega, etc to futher our national interests, nothing wrong with that. I don't idealize my government by denying the facts. It is a dog eat dog world, and every country does what it needs to to survive. I don't blindly deny China's culpability in some heinous acts in her right for national protection. Both super powers needs to do what it needs to do to survive. We asians are inherently practical and less idealistic. We have a saying, wear one mask for one situation and another for a different situation. T
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What is so great about this country is we can publicly oppose foreign policy or agendas and never have to fear for our lives. If I was on the chinese internet blogging forum and I criticized chinese policy or president as heavily as you and I have, we both would probably be in jail and dead.
This is why such healthy disagreements is so invigorating to someone like me.
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Your dad was right.
During the Cold War, the US was forced to make alliances it might otherwise have done. They had to pick the lesser of two evils, and often, the lesser evil came back to bite them in the ass.
Oh, and the US never backed Pol Pot. Erasing? Hardly. There's nothing to erase. I've read up on it. The people that make the accusations never have any proof. There are plenty of other times that the US backed a dictator, and there's plenty of proof of those, but the proof relating to the US backing of Pol Pot just mysteriously vanished? Riiight...
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Very true.
After I logged off last night, as I was getting ready for bed, I had an interesting train of thought.
I've spent plenty of time in this thread pointing out what's wrong with other countries. Then you or T_Man would try to equate it to the USA. Which you couldn't really do. But I thought, the US is far from perfect, so what is the USA doing that's against the people? Then I had the realization that the crimes the US government does against its people are not overt.
When we talk about the evils that China or Niger commit on their people, it's really easy to see--they're overt. They kill, enslaves, and rob them of freedom. First world countries have moved past these more obvious actions. Their problems most third world nations haven't had to really deal with yet. Yeah, item one sort of happens there, but it's not usually corporations, it's the governments.
Ways in which the US government is perpetrating evils on its citizens:
1) Taking away personal freedoms and rights to ensure that corporations can make a profit.
2) Not regulating health care. I don't for a second buy into socialist medicine, but the health care companies collude to keep raising prices. Even Obama, the great socialator, won't stop it.
3) Subverting the capitalist system by artificially supporting companies.
4) Polarizing the people so that they're easier to control.
5) Using American lives, and our resources, trying to spread our way of life to other people. Most of which it wouldn't ever work for anyway.
Anyway, that's what I think is wrong with the US.
respectully disagree on the latter, the carpet bombings in camodia is no secret and neither is US CIA funding of Pol POt ( there is a great book called Air America, my dad is the Great white refrigetor in there). But once again, it was our last ditch effort to undermine Vietnamese efforts and control in the INdochina region, to overthrow the Vietnamese backed government of Prime Minister Hun Sen. This is standard textbook in Malaysia and Japan and Taiwan.
By the way, the Malaysians applauded US entry into the Vietnam war, Ho chi minh had 90,000 troops poised to gain control over malaysia and Thailand ( they have the teakwood and rubber industries that ho covetted) Wiht americ's entry into the war he gave up his efforts on Malaysia and Thailand. I tell all my americans who opposed the vietnam war it saved some of the most prosperous captialistic nations in the pacific rim.
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I agree that we did a lot of stuff trying to stop the Vietnamese. It's even possible that Pol Pot benefited from our actions, but the US never did anything that was meant to support him. There's a difference.
I see, once again, I sometimes misunderstand the nuance of the english language. But I can say that from an Asian perspective it "looked" supportive.
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I never understood why we supported Pol Pot, a butcher, but demonized a leader like Stalin. It's no shocker that Russians still revere him today. Here's a man who could take an illiteralte peasant and turn him into a great general. How could you not love a leader like that?
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We didn't.
Unfortunately, the one problem with democracy is that "mob rule" can take over and elect a government body that does just the above. This "mob rule "is glaringly apparent when Serb, croatia, etc. went democratic. It is the one glaring price of a true democracy. In europe, if the immigrant radical muslims start becoming the majority and vote for a governing body that follow insane radical shia laws. who is to stop them? Democracy caters to the majority.
I have always felt a benevolant totalitarian government is the best and most efficient ( efficiency we can see in china, benevolent, no) form of government. Unfortunately, you are victim to the whims of the totalitarian governent once it changes its mind.....
America I think has one upmanship on most democracies , it is primarirly a republic , as such it still trys to protect the rights of the minority. ( for good or bad). For instance, though it is a majority christian country, my beliefs as an athiest is protected without prosecution. Unfortunately, so are the beliefs of wierdo scientologists, etc. I believe Jefferson once said that it was incumbant upon the majority to protect the rights of the minority. I may be paraphrasing so forgive me. It is this singulare fact, best stated by thomas jefferson that makes immigrants like us proud and unafraid to be an AMerican.
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Yeah, you can't have it both ways. You protect all or you protect none.
Like I said, I'm doing my own research and, conincedently, I've been looking for an exmaple of a benevolent totalitarian government. The closest that I could find is Swaziland. It's an absolute monarchy. The conditions there are bad (about 50% HIV infection rate and poverty), but the people love their king and seem, overall, to be happy.
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What was this thread about?
Niggers!
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Ah that right ...niggers.. why did we give them the right to vote again?..
Because a bunch touchy feely pre-liberal fags thought that they were like us white people.
You know this country would would have been so much better had we left those good for nothing spear chuckers in Africa.
God bless the South and God Bless America.
