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whats the best pre-work out supplement?
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I took jack3d for the first time yesterday, it's the first prework out I've ever tried. I ordered the fruit punch taste for a supplement is 10/10. Although I used to take cee powder which tastes disgusting, I took 2 scoops and within 30 mins after I felt much more awake and more energetic about going to the gym. I was training legs and abs, from the first set on squats I felt much stronger so increased weight and felt like I could Increase after every set, as soon as I had finish a set I was ready to do another one. My mate also took for a first time had same experiance than me, and he said he was buzzing all night and cudnt sleep til 5am!! Overall I felt much stronger, very good pumps and energy and can't wait to use it again today!!
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In years past i used Gakic powder, Awsome! But now I have used Noshotgun and it's good, currently using Quake, now I have noticed my heart rate doesn't get out of control which I like and the mental focus is great. Also makes me sweat big time? All bodies are diff to these products keep in mind- Also try Speed Stack from ABB premixed ready bottles.
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20+ cacao beans 3-4 hours before the workout, but I doubt anyone will take me seirously, i don't really care, it is the most POWERFUL STIMULATING FOOD, you can derive significant calories from.
If you want to know how it fucking works, ask. I'll provide a little detail, but I could go on forever. Chocolate has been shown to boost NO, but no one has tested cacao beans, people have tested dark chocolate, since that is tolerable to our fickle taste buds and study participants. Cacao definitely widens my veins, easssily. Pure unprocessed chocolate contains Phenylethylamine, which not only makes you high, but increases adrenaline, to massive amounts. You feel like an animal on this shit trust me. PEA also makes you feel quite happy, in fact I usually say stupid shit if I eat too much and may offend some people, but usually I get with girls much easier. Cacao contains MAOis too, so over the course of 3 days, if you have it every meal, you will be fucked and won't be able to sleep, kind of as if you took Amphetamine.
Theobromine is of course in there, vasodilating you for hours, this is very unique; whereas cocaine and amphetamine will constrict your blood vessels and kill you, cacao can do the opposite (except at such large dosages you are jittery as fuck at 12AM and cannot focus on anything) This doesn't really stimuate the CNS, except maybe at high doses, but as a whole, your CNS is stimmed.
Of course it is a powerful fat burning agent, but you will burn fats and sugars ( if you have ample glycogen), over the course of the day.
One experience from cacao I will share: So breakfast I had a good dosage of the beans, and for my workout, I kickboxed for nearly 1 hour and 45 minutes. I NEVER stay in the gym that long, but I kept going. As a result of my stupidity, I was sore for 5 days. I could list many more experiences but if you want to know more PM me
EDIT: one last thing, even a moderate dosage of cacao (10 beans), may leave me feeling as if I got back from a jog, as in the blood flow to my entire body is so pleasant, its almost the same feeling of just coming back from some sort of aerobic exercise
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The best pre-workout nutritional meal that always works for me has always been a cup of hot oatmeal (1 hour before), and a cup of coffee (30 minutes before) + a multivitamin
As for dietary supplement solution, if you are looking for a pre-mixed stasck I have tried No-Xplode, Xpand, White flood, GlyproXTS Stack, V-12 and others. From all these products, No-Xplode was the best when it first came out many years ago, one scoop was more than enough, years later for some reason the formula is not as effective as it used to be and pretty much don't feel the pump or energy any more. That said, I think GlyproXTS Stack from Champion Nutrition is pretty good (kinda pricey), it makes you feel like you can keep going for more reps and the recovery was pretty impressive.
Lately though, I have been going back to the basics, all those fancy mixes are becoming more confusing and the science behind them even more. You don’t know what to trust any more – Creatine Monohydrates 13 years ago was more than enough for me now there are so many version of every ingredient it is becoming a crazy situation. So, by going back to basics I like CGT-10 from optimum which pretty much is nothing but Creatine, Glutamine and Taurine (CGT). Simple and Perfect and I've been responding pretty well to it in terms of endurance, strength and recovery. I also add a BCAA to it before and after.
I am also considering Bulldozer Xl5000 from Neuro Research Group, but I am still looking into that one, at least you can know how much you are getting per ingredients.
Good Luck
As for dietary supplement solution, if you are looking for a pre-mixed stasck I have tried No-Xplode, Xpand, White flood, GlyproXTS Stack, V-12 and others. From all these products, No-Xplode was the best when it first came out many years ago, one scoop was more than enough, years later for some reason the formula is not as effective as it used to be and pretty much don't feel the pump or energy any more. That said, I think GlyproXTS Stack from Champion Nutrition is pretty good (kinda pricey), it makes you feel like you can keep going for more reps and the recovery was pretty impressive.
Lately though, I have been going back to the basics, all those fancy mixes are becoming more confusing and the science behind them even more. You don’t know what to trust any more – Creatine Monohydrates 13 years ago was more than enough for me now there are so many version of every ingredient it is becoming a crazy situation. So, by going back to basics I like CGT-10 from optimum which pretty much is nothing but Creatine, Glutamine and Taurine (CGT). Simple and Perfect and I've been responding pretty well to it in terms of endurance, strength and recovery. I also add a BCAA to it before and after.
I am also considering Bulldozer Xl5000 from Neuro Research Group, but I am still looking into that one, at least you can know how much you are getting per ingredients.
Good Luck
ca_iron
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Yea, that's the thing with most of them that rely heavily on stimulants which give you a buzz and simulated energy, you end up building tolerance and you stop feeling it after sometime even when you up the dose.
The best thing is to have an on/off cycle: take it for 3-4 weeks, then stop for 2-3 weeks then back again.
The best thing is to have an on/off cycle: take it for 3-4 weeks, then stop for 2-3 weeks then back again.
What about taking a product for 3-4 weeks than a different one for another 2-3 weeks? Or would that not do anything?
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Someone did suggest the speed stack from ABB, i've try it once and was on a hangover and had slept maybe 3 or 4 hours,after drinking a bottle of the stuff i had one of the best workout in a long time and did stay high for the rest of the day!Strong stuff!
ca_iron
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A lot of pre-workout products have stimulants to give you a buzz and a sensation of feeling energetic, once you build tolerance that effect will wear out so you are better off taking a break to give your body a chance to recover. Which is why many people enjoy a new product for couple of days/weeks then they start bashing it and move to another product yet to see it not working either..etc. Depending on your body type, the effect of a product will vary in terms of duration and severity.
Now, unless you choose a product that is caffeine/stimulant free ??? which several companies do offer different versions of the same product maybe that will work. Or a product with a different formulations. It is usually a good practice though to cycle your supplements to give your body a break. Some people feel they get better results when they cycle creatine for example once they feel they are reaching a threshold in terms strength gains and stamina.
Another alternative, if you can afford it, is getting individual ingredients (AAKG, Creatine, Taurine, Glutamine, Amino Acids, Dextrose ..etc.) to make your own mixes on your off-cycle/break.
I know how it feels to think that you have to stop taking a product for a week or two, sometimes people freak out on the thought of this fearing their performance will go down, their gains will stop ..etc. What they forget is that their gains are due to their hard work and busting out at the gym and not the product, they are just supplements to help you out but the results are earned by you. Taking a break gives you a chance to focus on your diet, recovery habits (sleep), changing your workout regimen.
just my 2 cents
Took my preworkout stack yesterday of CELL RUSH and NYTRIC PRO, waited about 30 minutes and was about to have my whey and natural PB, but felt like I needed just a little extra kick. So, I threw into my two scoops of whey a TBSP of coffee grounds and blended it up. Had such an amazing workout! And, my shake tasted damn good! 
a little combination of 200mg caffiene (2 cups of coffee), creatine mono, a scoop of whey and 5g arginine. On a depletion, it rocks my world with the pump. It's also pretty damn cheap.
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I just tried jack3d , i feel great!
Ive tried superpump, no-explode, nano-vapor, no-plasmacore, xpand extreme pump, no shotgun, probbaly others i just cant remember.. As for pump Xpand extreme pump has been the best but my stomach is sensitive so.. well you guys know what happens.. So far I have had the best luck with NO shotgun decent pump and no stomach issues and the taste is the best I have tried (black cherry)
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Where do you get your arginine from?
I was going to buy some leucine and arginine from nutraplanet. They seem to have good deals for buying bulk, but i'm not sure. (never bought bulk aminos before)
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It's a subtle boost. For me, about 20 mins after taking it, I start feeling a little flustered, warm; my face gets a little tingly--that's the Jack3d. Initially I didn't think anything was happening, but after paying attention to my "normal" self and "jack3d" self, it definitely getting me more pumped.
www.topsupplementsonline.com; I like the solgar brand. I hate the taste of arginine, but like the service you get when you order from this website.
I get the caffeine tabs in a walmart or walgreens.
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Thanks.
From what I am hearing, Jack3d may be getting pulled by the FDA soon because of the geranium content. WADA has already banned it. This will upset many people who love that product!
Most of the time, I usually concoct my own formulas as I have with my partner's and I with our supplement line. I dont like most companies products since they overcharge you and what you get is mostly shit or goes with hype. I'd much rather go with a product that I know works and not with something that isnt backed with research. PM me if you need to know more.
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Jacked is just like 30$ for a one month supply and all you have to take is those little three scoops!
thats fine, but why spend that much when you can make it yourself or find something better?
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The label does mention it's potentially banned by some sporting organizations. Good thing I don't plan to compete at any level!
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could you give us juggerboost secret recipe!
200mg caffiene (2 cups of coffee), creatine mono, a scoop of whey and 5g arginine, if you arent watching carbs, a piece of fruit and/or dextrose at 15g. Simple, cheap and effective.
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Caffeine and creatine? It's that a bit cancelling? Creatine holds water to your muscles, but caffeine does exactly the opposite.
Proven to be bullshit. I can pull up several studies in which this has been proven to be false.
guice
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Interesting. Okay. I am curious then, when I DO have caffeine, I find I have to use the restroom much more often (like once an hour or two tops). What's the cause of that? Ever since I stopped my daily caffeine fixes, my bathroom breaks have drastically slowed down. I'm not combating or arguing your research; I'm trying to understand this myself, too, without having to read through hundreds of pages of research and studies (ie: high-level overviews).
Caffiene itself is a MILD diuretic. It was once thought that creatine and caffiene are no-nos, but has been proven to be nothing to worry about. Essentially, just replace the water you peed out. No big deal. Also, the more coffee you drink, the less susceptible you are to these effects.
