An average sized wolf vs. an average sized man

[DOMS]

So, do you really believe that or were you just kidding?

I love pits because they are strong, smart, and loyal. I also have a lot of sympathy for the them, because they are the most abused and misunderstood breed of dog ever.

So long as it's a real dog*, it's that true of ever non-inbred breed?



* As someone on IM defined it, a real dog can catch a Frisbee.

 

[KelJu]

So long as it's a real dog*, it's that true of ever non-inbred breed?



* As someone on IM defined it, a real dog can catch a Frisbee.

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By the way, the pit in this video was rescued right before they were going to euthanize the it. Nobody wanted a viscous man killing pitbull. Lucky for the dog, Andrew Yori knows better, and sees through the bullshit.

 

[KelJu]

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Here is one of Michael Vick's rescued pits. I am very happy this dog was saved in time. Vick would have drowned this dog for refusing to fight.

 

[DOMS]

(in response to the Frisbee video)

That dog was having a blast.

The idea that there are bad breeds of dogs is moronic (with the exception of inbred breeds) If it's a domesticated breed of dog, it's no more bad than its owner teaches it to be.

 

[Captn'stabbin]

i had no clue that wolves are that big, never scene them next to something to give it scale. i respect them a bit more.

 

[Little Wing]

an alpha male from yellowstone



http://www.bethpratt.com/life-in-yellowstone/2009/4/24/women-who-run-with-wolves.html
Over the winter, Doug Smith, the Wolf Project leader, and his crew collared a number of wolves. My collar was placed on wolf 495M, a six-year old black alpha male of Mollie’s Pack and also at 143 pounds, the largest wolf ever recorded in Yellowstone National Park. We must share a love of good food!



this wolf has been sedated in order to be collared. 143lbs is a LOT of wolf.

 

[AKIRA]

The people in the pics dont give it an accurate scale. Best to take a pic with a height chart.

You can't go just be weight. For example, how much of each is composed of muscle? What is the average physical condition of each? A wolf lives by tooth and claw every day, whilst the average man drives to McDonalds.

Take a badger for example. It weights about 18 pounds and will tear the shit out of you. I'm not saying it would win in a fight versus a man, but you'll pay a high price for the win.

Youre right, its difficult to quantify and I couldve included the length and height, but were all familiar with the general structure. Those pics are cool pics, but if they really are that pic then they dont qualify in this discussion cuz the title states "Average" and if those wolves are considered average size, I dont know why anyone would pose with them unless they were hunting them specifically and needed proof that they made the catch. Otherwise, its the same as taking a pic of catching a big fish. You dont show off an average size.

I am glad the discussion has gotten this far and I always believed that the modern bulletin board services would be the only way to extend the discussion. I am dead positive people came in here and voted "wolf" and never looked back. However, for a discussion sakes, I like to see reasons behind votes.

Now bare in mind, I never included statistics and I personally will not give the wold 9 times out of 10 over the man. Too many things going on. That is why I included "they both die" cuz I can see a man getting bit fatally, but still rendering a kill out of desperate survival. The wolf dies, then the man dies later. Id say this is more probable than anything.

Wolves do hunt everyday whereas the man does not. However, wolves do not normally hunt man. Theyve not adapted to such a species so a wolf would look at a man like it was an upright deer.

What irks me about this thread is the quickness of assumptions. Assumption that man would panic, assumption a wolf would know exactly how to kill without mistake. Assumptions can be justified but they are not a means to an end. I made an analogy earlier that NO ONE TOUCHED. I said to put yourself in this scenario and make something at stake like your child. Would you really submit so easily for the sake of discussion if your kid was involved? Perhaps protecting something else other than yourself changes things. Buuuuut if it did, WHY?

 

[AKIRA]

an alpha male from yellowstone



Beth's Excellent Adventures - Life in Yellowstone - Women Who Run With Wolves
Over the winter, Doug Smith, the Wolf Project leader, and his crew collared a number of wolves. My collar was placed on wolf 495M, a six-year old black alpha male of Mollie???s Pack and also at 143 pounds, the largest wolf ever recorded in Yellowstone National Park. We must share a love of good food!



this wolf has been sedated in order to be collared. 143lbs is a LOT of wolf.

Thats not an average wolf size then.

 

[Little Wing]

the only way i think you're going to save you kid is tell them to run while you keep the wolf busy killing you. the guy that subdued the wolf was a huge fucking guy in great shape, really strong, and if his friends didn't come along he would be dead. it was all he could do to hang onto the wolf and he was tiring. the wolf would have killed him if no one intervened.

maine is known for it's hunting and fishing and i can tell you people are proud of what they kill, the feat of the hunt, it doesn't need to be a prize buck or anything bigger than normal for the "oh look i killed it" pictures. that's just saying it was the biggest wolf in yellowstone. wolves have been weighed in at 170 and 190 pounds. 170 being in the US. average is still going to be terrifying.

 

[ezra heatly]

I am starting to hear running is not that great for you? Especially the knees. But also the spine?

 

[Little Wing]

I am starting to hear running is not that great for you? Especially the knees. But also the spine?

yea, theres a hazard of wolf bite. left field much?

 

[DOMS]

What irks me about this thread is the quickness of assumptions. Assumption that man would panic, assumption a wolf would know exactly how to kill without mistake. Assumptions can be justified but they are not a means to an end. I made an analogy earlier that NO ONE TOUCHED. I said to put yourself in this scenario and make something at stake like your child. Would you really submit so easily for the sake of discussion if your kid was involved? Perhaps protecting something else other than yourself changes things. Buuuuut if it did, WHY?

Wolves are a strong quadruped (more stable base and faster) whilst humans are a middling strength biped. Wolves have claws, teeth, and a strong bite. Humans have fingers, a small bite, and weak jaws.

Also consider that wolves are smart hunters. They will wound prey and then sit back for a bit whilst the prey's blood flows and energy ebbs.

Sure, statistically, a human is going to win; but you can't make much ado about very low statistical probabilities.

However, you put a decent weapon in the human's hands and the tables turn; but that wasn't included in your question.

In a real world example, if I had any time to prepare, I'd wrap my coat around my left arm as bait, and arm myself with a sharp sturdy stick or club. Again, that wasn't part of your scenario.

 

[Little Wing]

Use areas below high tide mark, away from camp, in an area of high tidal exchange for toilets - do not use the upland areas, wolves will feed on human excrement.

so much for the trying to make yourself taste disgusting ploy....

 

[Little Wing]

They will wound prey and then sit back for a bit whilst the prey's blood flows and energy ebbs.

good point. and scary.

 

[Little Wing]

if i ever go deep in the north woods again i'm going to arm myself like frikkin Rambo.

 

[CORUM]

DOMS.... in reguards to your inbred comment. you would be surprised how many dogs are inbred. once you get into breeding for whatever reason. like showing, hunting, sport or whatever it may be. you will see that most great bloodlines have been inbred or tight line bred. you breed for certain traits..... once you have a line really tight and all the traits are there that you want. inbreed lock that trait in, and then go out to other bloodlines, or a little less tight of a line breed. there was a a guy that had one of the most successful bloodlines of german shepards. his method was the grand sire of a female becomes the sire of her litter. so in breeding is not the culprit unless it is not done properly or done looking for the wrong traits.

 

[CORUM]

Thats not an average wolf size then.

a friend of mine, just got rid of his timberwolf dog and it was 120 at 11 months. so i am sure it would have came close or passed that 140 mark.

 

[AKIRA]

a friend of mine, just got rid of his timberwolf dog and it was 120 at 11 months. so i am sure it would have came close or passed that 140 mark.

I took a .25lb shit today and I know theres more. Expect for me to break records. Oh wait, thats not the average shit size.

 

[maniclion]

In Texas I did a lot of hiking through the woods near the lake, I would always run into these 2 coyotes, they were skinny but if they fattened up they probably would have been about 70lbs, I'd say they were 55 at most. Still they looked wild and intimidating, they would always stop and look at me, and then trot off on their way to where ever. They didn't look like the coyotes I would see strung up on fence posts outside of ranches, they were bigger and had reddish backs....it's very possible they were remnants of Red Wolf inter-breeding with coyotes, the red wolves were known to roam that area before man killed them all in the wild....

There was also a fox I would see crossing this alfalfa field, at least that's what my Dad called it, it was always the greenest pasture.....that fox was beautiful, rust red and white and the little black socked legs.....

But the most impressive wild predator I saw out there was a huge bobcat, I'd say almost 4 ft long and 25-30 pounds.....it was so graceful, stalking silently through the underbrush...I was up on the top edge of gully leading across a hill he was passing through the lowest part toward the lake following the creek....my father saw him too while out hunting, except he was leaning against a tree and it passed behind him about 40 yards away, he had just barely heard some leaves rustle....he slowly leaned around the tree and watched it walk off into the denser growth.....

Out of those 3 I was scared of the bobcat the most....

 

[SYN]

I took a .25lb shit today and I know theres more. Expect for me to break records. Oh wait, thats not the average shit size.

A 1/4 pound poop? Please, I squeeze out 5pounders for my warm up

How Big is an Average Poo?

 

[AKIRA]

Howard Stern already did a special on shit's weight with High Pitch Eric.

Look, people, Fedor lost tonight. If that can happened, a man can cook up a wolf tonight on a fucking patio chair.

Nothing is ever for sure.

 

[SYN]

Maybe if the man has some of this stuff in his pockets...or around his neck

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[Hoglander]

So, do you really believe that or were you just kidding?

I love pits because they are strong, smart, and loyal. I also have a lot of sympathy for the them, because they are the most abused and misunderstood breed of dog ever.

It's an 80 20 split in my meaning with caring(hopefully diligent) owners such as yourself in the minority.

 

[maxpro2]

The average bite pressure for a wolf is 600 psi. A German Shepard is the most popular and commonly used police assist attack dog. It's bite pressure is only 200 psi. almost 99% of the time, the German Shepard whoops ass over various criminal assailants who often times have weapons.

Yes but German Shepards seem to mostly be used to stop a fleeing criminal, when the criminal is running away and does not really defend against the animal.

I have never seen a clip or heard of a situation where the criminal braced himself for a one-on-one fight with a police dog.

The closest I could find of such situation is:

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And even here the criminal seems distracted by the tear gas and the approaching police officers.

 

[Little Wing]

lol at the dog not letting go. it looks like he has him right up to the end of the vid.

 

[AKIRA]

He has him? Who has him? I found that vid earlier and wanted to submit it, but its a different animal for 1 thing and it has had training for another..

What I saw in THAT vid is the dog being man handled. Brought me back to the Fear Factor vids. Every person (mostly men) that had some weight to them was able to achieve whatever goal Joe Rogan placed in front of them regardless of this big bad K9 unit. It seems the main duty of the dog is delay and/or restraint.

 

[DOMS]

He has him? Who has him? I found that vid earlier and wanted to submit it, but its a different animal for 1 thing and it has had training for another..

What I saw in THAT vid is the dog being man handled. Brought me back to the Fear Factor vids. Every person (mostly men) that had some weight to them was able to achieve whatever goal Joe Rogan placed in front of them regardless of this big bad K9 unit. It seems the main duty of the dog is delay and/or restraint.

I watched an episode of COPS where the police sent a dog after a criminal. They came around the corner of a house to find the guy holding the German Sheppard up by the neck. He wasn't even that big.

 

[Little Wing]

He has him? Who has him? I found that vid earlier and wanted to submit it, but its a different animal for 1 thing and it has had training for another..

What I saw in THAT vid is the dog being man handled. Brought me back to the Fear Factor vids. Every person (mostly men) that had some weight to them was able to achieve whatever goal Joe Rogan placed in front of them regardless of this big bad K9 unit. It seems the main duty of the dog is delay and/or restraint.

i don't think a police dog vid has anything to do with the wolf debate. i just thought it was funny the dog didn't let go.


Learn How Police Dogs Are Trained
Dogs that are trained for police work are trained to never bite only to grab onto their target and not release whatever it is that they are holding until their handler tells them the command for release.

apples and oranges.
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[SYN]

Man dies 3 weeks after deer gores him | The San Diego Union-Tribune

Deer kills man who kept it penned up - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com

Then there's that other Santa guy who got impaled by his reindeer, and here in Maine, some other guy was almost mauled to death by a deer, and he even had a pocket knife on him to defend himself. If the average man has all he can do to fend of a fucking deer, I think a wolf is definitely a little too much for him to take on.

 

[maniclion]

I watched an episode of COPS where the police sent a dog after a criminal. They came around the corner of a house to find the guy holding the German Sheppard up by the neck. He wasn't even that big.

He only had to hold it up for maybe 30 seconds, a man's stamina can't match a dogs...why do you think we use them to drag our asses through the snow while we ride on the back of sleds.....