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[Little Wing]

thats bullshit. i grew up poor in a house full of violent drunks. i knew not to be a thief without being taught i just gave a shit what kind of person i was and i had that in me from a very young age. i developed a lot of good qualities i did not have experience with within the walls of my home.

not holding kids responsible for their own actions, giving them a lesson instead in the poor me pity party crap will last them all their life too. poor me i never had a chance i never had a good woman i think i'll rape your daughter and steal your car. even if both parents are complete wastes there are tons of lessons from all over barraging kids with moral teachings from fairy tales to batman cartoons. they either give a shit or they don't.

at about 5 years old kids understand there are good guys and bad guys by seven they come into the age of reason and know right from wrong. it used to be kids garnered information only from primary caregivers but those days are long past. by your reasoning no good parents would ever have a child that gets involved in crime and that's just not so. no chaste woman would have children that are promiscuous... not true either.

some people are shit inside and teachers will tell you they see it from all types of homes and parents. rotten little shits rarely turn around. in small communities some teachers watch kids go from the beginning to end of their school days and some kids are bad just because they choose not to be good.

it's not robinhood the have nots stealing from the haves it's just kids doing something despicable because they are despicable kids. i got to know the parents of the girl who took my daughters ring. they are really nice people and good parents. they stood there and supported me that day not their kid. she WAS taught better and came from a loving home with good guidance etc. she just was and still is a bad kid.

 

[KelJu]

Well there is the genetic factor. Cognitive neuroscientist have found that people are predisposed to having sociopathic and/or psycopathic tendencies.

 

[Little Wing]

and here it gets murky because it's very hard not to have sympathy for those who truly are blameless for their bad behavior. this moves my heart, a greedy little kid does not.

 

[ROID]

I had my all time favorite pair of sun glasses stolen by some nigglets at the WMCA. $200.00 is a big deal to me, but the worst part is I can;t pay another pair. They dont; sell that model anymore.

I've had 3 pair of expensive sun glasses and two of them have been stolen.

I understand your pain.

 

[Little Wing]

on another note i told god long ago if i find a big bag of brinks money in the street i'm keeping it so don't even tempt me. i'd be living on a beach somewhere before the sun set if it was enough. or would i? if i do find a bag like that i know my first words will be "this isn't even funny"

 

[DOMS]

thats bullshit. i grew up poor in a house full of violent drunks. i knew not to be a thief without being taught i just gave a shit what kind of person i was and i had that in me from a very young age. i developed a lot of good qualities i did not have experience with within the walls of my home.

I'm gong to second this. I grew up about as poor as you can in the US. One of the valuable lessons I learned from it was the difference between being a poor white and being white trash. I lived in a shed, but I still swept the floors. The difference is in how you treat yourself and how you treat others.

That kid is shit.

 

[DOMS]

Well there is the genetic factor. Cognitive neuroscientist have found that people are predisposed to having sociopathic and/or psycopathic tendencies.

One of the great scientific discoveries of the modern era: There's a genetic excuse for everything.

 

[Muscle_Girl]

You can't just decide to exterminate part of the human race because they don't fit in your spectrum of being perfect, that is the issue I have with this. Was Hitler justified in what he did? Because you are pretty much suggesting the exact same thing.

You keep a kid locked in a basement cellar all of his childhood, he will be seriously screwed up for the rest of his life. The brain is a very powerful thing, and when a person isn't treated right, and taught the right things, there are alterations, brain cells don't mature the right way, if they even mature at all.

The things we experience in our childhood often shape the choices we make throughout our life. More times than not, this results in a negative form.

Most kids these days have been raised by a generation of self-centered workaholics, or welfare addicts, who have no time for their children, and these children often have to raise themselves.

I am not condoning what this child (and it very likey was a child) has done, but seriously, you are overreacting to something so small, and aren't placing the blame where it should be. Yea, its frustrating that that kids aren't nice and perfect, no reason to wish death to those who don't act the way you expect them to act.

 

[DOMS]

You can't just decide to exterminate part of the human race because they don't fit in your spectrum of being perfect, that is the issue I have with this. Was Hitler justified in what he did? Because you are pretty much suggesting the exact same thing.

Wait! What the hell did I miss? I was pointing out that people have an excuse for everything and now you're talking about genocide? How the hell did you make that leap?

 

[Muscle_Girl]

and muscle girl just a last thought on this. the point is not material goods at all his stuff is replaced and that's that. it's not really the things that matter it's that some people are just worthless inside. they see the rest of us as prey. the thief did not think for two seconds he was depriving another child of his shoes. the world just does not need people like that and there are more and more of them all the time. it's not about the shoes it's about having to share the earth with people who know right from wrong and do wrong anyway. i'd rather they be disposed of than thrown a pity party. if only reformatories could actually reform it might be a solution but they don't. little crooks just grow up to be big crooks and it's not just our stuff in jeopardy it's our lives our homes our communities. this is a beautiful city with little vermin riff raff leaving their smears of shit all over it.

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[maniclion]

Sorry, I was a latchkey kid who ran around the neighborhood all day and only saw my father for a brief couple hours at night before bed, and then he either watched tv all night, worked his side job all weekend or sat in the garage working, while telling me and my brother to go outside and play...only time I spent with him was hunting and then we had to be quiet and usually it involved me sitting by a tree while he hiked a few miles out and stayed until the afternoon so it was just me, the trees and a book for hours, this was what he considered bonding... From age 13 on I pretty much raised myself, I never stole from people and I was a respectful kid. I didn't learn that from my father, I just saw examples of people I thought were good and people I thought were rotten and then chose to act like the ones who were decent human beings. If I had only gone by my fathers method of discipline, spanking and grounding for a month I only would have learned to get better at breaking the rules so that I wouldn't get caught...luckily he did have one punishment that was beneficial and that was to stick me in my room with nothing to do but read or think about what I did wrong....I pretty much had to work that out for myself.....

So kids can learn to be good human beings on their own and they know the routes they are choosing...I remember all the crossroads I came to when I was a kid, times when I had to decide to seem like the cool kid to kids or the cool kid to adults, those are 2 totally different kids...me I guess since I never got the approval from my father I just wanted it from some adults be it teachers or my friends parents so I always did the mature thing....

 

[Little Wing]

You can't just decide to exterminate part of the human race because they don't fit in your spectrum of being perfect, that is the issue I have with this. Was Hitler justified in what he did? Because you are pretty much suggesting the exact same thing.

You keep a kid locked in a basement cellar all of his childhood, he will be seriously screwed up for the rest of his life. The brain is a very powerful thing, and when a person isn't treated right, and taught the right things, there are alterations, brain cells don't mature the right way, if they even mature at all.

The things we experience in our childhood often shape the choices we make throughout our life. More times than not, this results in a negative form.

Most kids these days have been raised by a generation of self-centered workaholics, or welfare addicts, who have no time for their children, and these children often have to raise themselves.

I am not condoning what this child (and it very likey was a child) has done, but seriously, you are overreacting to something so small, and aren't placing the blame where it should be. Yea, its frustrating that that kids aren't nice and perfect, no reason to wish death to those who don't act the way you expect them to act.

hold on there, you're getting way off topic. i'm not saying anything about people who do not know right from wrong. i'm talking about people who are aware and do wrong anyway to the detriment of their fellow man. maybe we could wall off new jersey and throw them all in there or something and they could prey on each other.

the little shit that stole Tyler's shoes is a small time thief that is going to do nothing but grow into a dependent of the prison system. if i had a crystal ball that said yes young whatshisname will be nothing but a blight on the ass of society and will have amassed 745 victims of his crimes by the time he's 35 a lot of people would still be saying oh don't hurt him. i think that right there is what keeps us from having safer streets.

if child molesters were publicly dismembered how many repeat offenders would there be? has nothing at all to do with hitler it has to do with wanting a safe world for good people.

 

[Muscle_Girl]

We obviously won't agree about this subject, you keep trying to predict the current and future life of this child. Do you even know who it was personally?

I don't agree with your suggestion to just get rid of the kids who you feel may have a troubled future. If the local pool is so full of riff raff, stay the fuck out the pool.

I am done with this, you are no better than the thief himself.

 

[NeilPearson]

We obviously won't agree about this subject, you keep trying to predict the current and future life of this child. Do you even know who it was personally?

I don't agree with your suggestion to just get rid of the kids who you feel may have a troubled future. If the local pool is so full of riff raff, stay the fuck out the pool.

I am done with this, you are no better than the thief himself.

He's a theif. She's a wanna be mass murderer.

 

[Little Wing]

if you think abuse is an excuse to be a bad person read David Pelzer's books.

 

[Little Wing]

We obviously won't agree about this subject, you keep trying to predict the current and future life of this child. Do you even know who it was personally?

I don't agree with your suggestion to just get rid of the kids who you feel may have a troubled future. If the local pool is so full of riff raff, stay the fuck out the pool.

I am done with this, you are no better than the thief himself.

yes because the taxpayers in this town obviously intended the pool for thieves and not polite society. i know personally it's someone old enough to be there unsupervised who was mentally cognizant enough to move my son's bag and shirt and help themselves to things that they absofuckinglutely knew did not belong to them. yes i'm sure he will have a brilliant future. probably be a politician who will build more prisons and make more cry baby laws to protect the guilty.

do you have kids? tell me how you feel about the time some lowlife kid steals the thousandth item of theirs you have to go out and replace. if there was a test that showed yes some kid will have no conscience i'd say abort it. QQ me a river.

 

[Little Wing]

i USED to think bad people needed love and understanding that with kindness and patience they would come around. i thought love was the answer to everything. then i lived long enough to learn that is just starry eyed bullshit. some people are bad just because they have nothing in them that in any way adds up to giving a shit about anyone else.

i know teachers, foster parents, police and people in the psychology field who do not disagree with me who have more experience with this than you or i do. there are certain behaviors that CAN be an indicator that you are dealing with someone headed for nothing but a life of predatory behaviors. stealing from their peers is a big one.

More than 5.6 million Americans are in prison or have served time there, according to a new report by the Justice Department released Sunday. That's 1 in 37 adults living in the United States, the highest incarceration level in the world.

kinda sickening.

 

[Little Wing]

she's gonna LOVE my policy on prisoners.

 

[DOMS]

you keep trying to predict the current and future life of this child.

He's a thief now, he'll be a thief later on. There are of course exceptions, but where you start is where you're going to end up.

In particular: most poor people deserve to be poor.

 

[maniclion]

I knew a rich kid in HS who was a kleptomaniac, I mean this kid had everything in the world, his father built his own ghost town by hauling old buildings to this huge 100 acre plot of land, it was supposed to be a theme park but never took off, they were still loaded after that......and yet he still stole...

 

[jmorrison]

We obviously won't agree about this subject, you keep trying to predict the current and future life of this child. Do you even know who it was personally?

I don't agree with your suggestion to just get rid of the kids who you feel may have a troubled future. If the local pool is so full of riff raff, stay the fuck out the pool.

I am done with this, you are no better than the thief himself.

People like you are why society is fucked up.

That guy is a drunk...its not his fault, his parents were drunks

That chick is a useless slut...its not her fault, her daddy molested her

That guys is a fucking murderer....its not his fault, he was raised in a violent household.


Since when did we decide to not take responsibility for our actions?

Your honest answer to this is to AVOID the area that you pay taxes on? Are you fucking serious!? Not to confront the problem, and fix the issues, but to just avoid it?

Fucking liberals, I'm telling you.

 

[KelJu]

One of the great scientific discoveries of the modern era: There's a genetic excuse for everything.

No, that is not a good way to look at it. The science is sound and useful.

Would you blame a diabetic for being diabetic? No. Would you blame a diabetic for not being diligent about checking his blood sugar and administering insulin? Absolutely.

Same goes with having genetic factors that predispose someone to a life of crime. You don't have to fall victim to your weaker side. Better yet, these children could get help earlier in their life to make sure they don't develop the bad habits that lead them to being pieces of shit. Sadly, they have the genetic factor and their parents are pieces of shit, so they get it from nurture and nature. This doesn't excuse their behavior, but instead gives us an understanding for how to prevent it.

 

[DOMS]

No, that is not a good way to look at it. The science is sound and useful.

Would you blame a diabetic for being diabetic? No. Would you blame a diabetic for not being diligent about checking his blood sugar and administering insulin? Absolutely.

Same goes with having genetic factors that predispose someone to a life of crime. You don't have to fall victim to your weaker side. Better yet, these children could get help earlier in their life to make sure they don't develop the bad habits that lead them to being pieces of shit. Sadly, they have the genetic factor and their parents are pieces of shit, so they get it from nurture and nature. This doesn't excuse their behavior, but instead gives us an understanding for how to prevent it.

So, there's a genetic marker for stealing. Even if such a thing existed, which I don't believe, how in the hell would you prove it? A diabetic (a bad comparison) has clearly testable level of insulin. What does the kid with the "stealing gene" have? To little money in the veins?

 

[KelJu]

So, there's a genetic marker for stealing. Even if such a thing existed, which I don't believe, how in the hell would you prove it? A diabetic (a bad comparison) has clearly testable level of insulin. What does the kid with the "stealing gene" have? To little money in the veins?

I never said there was a gene for stealing. I said there were genes that predispose people to being on the wrong side of the law. I can't even begin to explain what I mean, because it would take 10 pages, and even then I would only be scratching the surface.

With fMRI, you can see what the brain is doing and what areas of the brain is active when a person has a specific thought or impulse. They have mapped much of the brain, and still have a lot to go. From the standpoint of being a biological machine, nearly everyone has the same parts that make up our brains.

Certain abundances and/or deficiencies of neurochemcials can be measured in brain serum levels just like insulin can be measured in blood. The dopamine released into someone's neural synapse when they feel the thrill of stealing something or hurting someone is as real as the spike in insulin for the diabetic who eats too much junk food.

Soon, the days of pretending that who we are is an act of will, will be over. Honestly, I don't see why you are arguing with me on this. It is common knowledge that people are a product of their genes and how their were raised. The science just goes into figuring out what makes some people shitty.

 

[jmorrison]

Soon, the days of pretending that who we are is an act of will, will be over. Honestly, I don't see why you are arguing with me on this. It is common knowledge that people are a product of their genes and how their were raised. The science just goes into figuring out what makes some people shitty.

I have no doubt that we are predisposed to be a certain way. None at all. I also think that saying we are powerless to overcome that predisposition is a sellout. If you are genetically predisposed to be fat, it will be harder to lose weight. It doesn't mean that you will be fat. It only means it wont be as easy.

Its not pretending to think that we can control our impulses through willpower. Thats called being a productive and responsible member of society. Anything short of that is horseshit.

 

[KelJu]

I have no doubt that we are predisposed to be a certain way. None at all. I also think that saying we are powerless to overcome that predisposition is a sellout. If you are genetically predisposed to be fat, it will be harder to lose weight. It doesn't mean that you will be fat. It only means it wont be as easy.

Its not pretending to think that we can control our impulses through willpower. Thats called being a productive and responsible member of society. Anything short of that is horseshit.

Some are better than others at controlling their impulses. Impulse control, or "will power" is a genetic trait. I agree that it doesn't mean you can't develop it. Just as a hard gainer might have to work 10 times as hard in the gym to reach the same level as a more genetically gifted lifter, a person with poor impulse control can work hard to develop habits of strong character.


I find it aggravating that people who haven't even looked into the science dismiss it right away just because they don't want to admit that we are far less responsible for who we are than what was originally thought. It doesn't mean we aren't responsible for unacceptable behavior. It doesn't mean we can't take credit for our accomplishments. It just means we have virtually no control over who we start out as.

 

[maniclion]

You guys are have it so ingrained in your heads that people are just like you that you can't imagine someone having some genetic malfunction that makes them predisposed to crime....no ones is saying it's an excuse for their behavior, but it may be a sign that we shouldn't continue just locking genetic anomalies up with hardened criminals where all they do is learn how to be worse.....

 

[Little Wing]

tabula rasa?

 

[maniclion]

Some are better than others at controlling their impulses. Impulse control, or "will power" is a genetic trait. I agree that it doesn't mean you can't develop it. Just as a hard gainer might have to work 10 times as hard in the gym to reach the same level as a more genetically gifted lifter, a person with poor impulse control can work hard to develop habits of strong character.


I find it aggravating that people who haven't even looked into the science dismiss it right away just because they don't want to admit that we are far less responsible for who we are than what was originally thought. It doesn't mean we aren't responsible for unacceptable behavior. It doesn't mean we can't take credit for our accomplishments. It just means we have virtually no control over who we start out as.

Genetics isn't the only factor, you have mental conditioning.....all you have to do is read 'Brave New World' to see a great example of how that works....

 

[Little Wing]

i wonder if science could really make our prisons into places of growth and reform? would be nice no?