Vent

[KelJu]

Genetics isn't the only factor, you have mental conditioning.....all you have to do is read 'Brave New World' to see a great example of how that works....

No shit. I grew up around some of the most conditioned psychopaths in our Country. They were called Southern Baptist.

 

[maniclion]

i wonder if science could really make our prisons into places of growth and reform? would be nice no?

Would be nice....I would start by taking the business out of the justice system.....everything is based on budget, budget, budget....that's the fatal flaw in our democratic system....

 

[KelJu]

i wonder if science could really make our prisons into places of growth and reform? would be nice no?

Sure, if we cared. We could help many, but some are beyond help. Some compulsions can be worked on. Some aren't worth the risk to those aroudn them to give them any slack. I don't want a rapist, murderer, or child sex offender anywhere around anyone I care about. Sadly to say, I think we should kill them all. Then take all of the money we save, and try to reform the thiefs, drug addicts, prostitutes, ect.

 

[DOMS]

Soon, the days of pretending that who we are is an act of will, will be over. Honestly, I don't see why you are arguing with me on this. It is common knowledge that people are a product of their genes and how their were raised. The science just goes into figuring out what makes some people shitty.

Because science is so infallible...

Some of the brilliantly creative people (van Gogh, for example) were certifiable. So, crazy people are creative based on MRIs?

Some of the most successful business people (Bill Gates) were obsessive. So people with MRIs that show that pattern are going to be successful?

The idea that that science is going to provide a means to "read" people and discern what sort of person they are, or will be, is ludicrous. You have way too much faith in man's ability to understand himself. You also think that science is much farther along that it actually is.

Also, it's that sort of thinking that led to eugenics.

 

[jmorrison]

You guys are have it so ingrained in your heads that people are just like you that you can't imagine someone having some genetic malfunction that makes them predisposed to crime....no ones is saying it's an excuse for their behavior, but it may be a sign that we shouldn't continue just locking genetic anomalies up with hardened criminals where all they do is learn how to be worse.....

I dont have anything ingrained. That is a simplification of my argument.

I came from poor white trash. Family of drunks. We had nothing, and for about a 1.5 year stretch, my mother, my baby sister and I were homeless. Granted we lived with friends and family, not on the streets, but we had nowhere to go. I stole plenty of shit, especially film for the polaroid instant cameras once I found a guy that did porn and would buy them at half price. Hell those things were like 20 bucks a piece.

I was essentially a shitbag. I sold drugs (albeit on a chump kiddie level) fought all the time, got expelled from school, enrolled in a military school, barely finished that, went to the army on the ol' Go to War or Go to Jail plan, got into plenty of trouble there, and then it happened. 21 years old, I got into a really minor fight with another soldier, and when I cracked him in the eye it crushed his orbital and destroyed his optic nerve, blinding him on one side for life.

As I sat in jail waiting for my court hearing for Assault 3 (felony) looking at a minimum of 7 years I finally realized that if I didnt change my life and do it right fucking now, it wasnt going to end well for me.

The judge was lenient, I got let off with a misdemeanor, and that was my last incident with the law. Now, almost 10 years later, I am a father of 4, I make over 100k a year, only drink sparingly, dont do drugs (other than gears!) and I would venture to say live a pretty good life.

Does this mean that I dont have urges to do "bad" things sometimes? Of course not. I would be shocked at anyone who didnt. It does mean that I had to exercise some control and stop being a cockbag. Which was pretty much an easy and simple choice when you are looking at real jail time.

Do I have a genetic predisposition to behave in a certain way? Probably. I refuse to be stereotyped or pigeonholed into a certain class of people simply because of it. You can behave in any manner you decide to behave in, but it is a concious choice.

 

[KelJu]

Because science is so infallible...

Science is man's best tool for determining truth. Human perception is warped by human bias. Science provides rules for an attempt to remove those biases.

Some of the brilliantly creative people (van Gogh, for example) were certifiable. So, crazy people are creative based on MRIs?

Some of the most successful business people (Bill Gates) were obsessive.

What is your point? I never said that having a unique and/or interesting personality trait was a bad thing.

The idea that that science is going to provide a means to "read" people and discern what sort of person they are, or will be, is ludicrous. You have way too much faith in man's ability to understand himself. You also think that science is much farther along that it actually is.

What is ludicrous is you haven't one piece of information to back any claims you have made, yet you have been on my ass with every post. You are full of shit on this one. You aren't up to date on recent clinical research. You are stating an opinion. I am stating accepted scientific conclusions.

I refuse to argue with you anymore. It's boring and pointless.

 

[jmorrison]

Not being a smart ass Kelju, could you please link me some of the research? I have a long night ahead of me, may as well read!

 

[Muscle_Girl]

People like you are why society is fucked up.

That guy is a drunk...its not his fault, his parents were drunks

That chick is a useless slut...its not her fault, her daddy molested her

That guys is a fucking murderer....its not his fault, he was raised in a violent household.


Since when did we decide to not take responsibility for our actions?

Your honest answer to this is to AVOID the area that you pay taxes on? Are you fucking serious!? Not to confront the problem, and fix the issues, but to just avoid it?

Fucking liberals, I'm telling you.

Not once did I say that an adult isn't responsible for their actions. We are talking about a KID here, A CHILD, there is a massive difference between the maturity of a CHILD and an ADULT. So, before you go jumping all over me, get your facts straight and learn to read.

Also, if you read the previous page, you would have read that I made a mention of the fact that she should try and take steps to change her "household, town, state", and after saying that, all I read was more excuses of why it would be better to just do away with these kids before they get worse. So, I gave one suggestion, and was shot down, I give another suggestion and get shit on, no winning here.

 

[jmorrison]

I read back over the thread to see if I missed anything. Nope. You are still full shit. How do you suggest she change her town and state? Oh wait, you didnt. This must be the canadian version of Obama change.

CHANGE!

What are you going to change?

CHANGE!

Wait uh...

WE NEED CHANGE!

I will say again...fucking liberals. I have seen your claptrap in other threads over the last week or so, and its all just bullshit. You are so convinced of your "rightness" that you cant look over your own steaming pile of rhetorical bullshit.

Don't tell me to learn to read, you need to learn to live in reality, instead of wherever it is you currently reside.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

I told them that I already pay for her welfare and food stamps, I wasnt going to dress her kids too.

You kill me!

 

[DOMS]

Science is man's best tool for determining truth. Human perception is warped by human bias. Science provides rules for an attempt to remove those biases.

Yeah, and science isn't warped by political, social, or some other bias. Especially in this day and age.

What is ludicrous is you haven't one piece of information to back any claims you have made, yet you have been on my ass with every post. You are full of shit on this one. You aren't up to date on recent clinical research. You are stating an opinion. I am stating accepted scientific conclusions.

The usefulness of the shit you've posted has been questioned plenty. You haven't linked to shit and neither have I, but my stuff it opinion.

I refuse to argue with you anymore. It's boring and pointless.

And a hearty fuck you, too.

 

[Little Wing]

Not once did I say that an adult isn't responsible for their actions. We are talking about a KID here, A CHILD, there is a massive difference between the maturity of a CHILD and an ADULT. So, before you go jumping all over me, get your facts straight and learn to read.

Also, if you read the previous page, you would have read that I made a mention of the fact that she should try and take steps to change her "household, town, state", and after saying that, all I read was more excuses of why it would be better to just do away with these kids before they get worse. So, I gave one suggestion, and was shot down, I give another suggestion and get shit on, no winning here.

i already changed my town. i bought shoes, bikes, toys, jewelry, and clothes for a bunch of thieves. i really did think like you once upon a time but experience will eventually open your eyes too. i believe in attempting to help those who can be reached but some kids are just rotten and no amount of effort will change that. children commit rape and murder now. it's not all that uncommon and they need to learn to be held accountable for their behavior or there will be hell to pay and we will be the ones to pay it.

one friend of mine in particular i would love to have you talk to. he tried to get a very young child institutionalized because the boy was an evil little bastard. he couldn't because the kid was just bad not certifiably mentally ill. he did shit like poked the eyes out of a puppy with a rat tailed comb and his family just kept making excuses for him. he was JUST a CHILD. i support children like that never being born in the first place or if they are already here being kept away from my children permanently.

CrimeLibrary.com/Notorious Murders/Young Killers

 

[Curt James]

We're talking about an unknown individual who stole some items, right? Swim goggles and sandals could have just as easily be stolen by a little old lady as by some bratty teenaged or pre-teen boy.

Either way, odds are it was person who knew right from wrong and didn't care.

There are parents, unfortunately, don't want to parent. But there are also many children who simply have no respect even after having been taught better.

 

[Hoglander]

I'M GOING TO VENT!!!! I was having a picnic after a hike in a remote location.

A SQUIRREL TOOK MY NAPKIN!!!



Man that pissed me off.

 

[jmorrison]

I'M GOING TO VENT!!!! I was having a picnic after a hike in a remote location.

A SQUIRREL TOOK MY NAPKIN!!!



Man that pissed me off.

Did he look like this?

Extremist muslim squirrels ftl.

 

[Curt James]

^Why do you want to blame a squirrel, man?

See, this is exactly what happened in eastern Europe. The Third Reich conquered new territory and specialized squirrel hunting units called Einsatzgruppen killed them in mass shootings.

Everyone should really be careful how casually they accuse squirrels. I fear a snowball effect.




Plus it's totally squirrel parent responsibility in play here.

 

[jmorrison]

Its not really the squirrels fault imo. He was brought up primarily as an extremist, and Papa Squirrel was a little heavy handed and liked the bottle. That, paired with bad genes, and was there ever really any doubt that poor Akkalasalamabad the Squirrel would end up with a tiny little IED strapped to his chest?

 

[Little Wing]

I'M GOING TO VENT!!!! I was having a picnic after a hike in a remote location.

A SQUIRREL TOOK MY NAPKIN!!!



Man that pissed me off.

lol that's cute. did you get pictures?

 

[Little Wing]

Demonic Squirrel Motorcycle Riding Story

i fucking LOVE this story. try and read it without laughing.

 

[KelJu]

Not being a smart ass Kelju, could you please link me some of the research? I have a long night ahead of me, may as well read!

Unfortunately, most of my science journals are DRM encrypted. You have to have accounts to listen to them or read them. You could subscribe to science podcast. I listen to a ton of good shows like neuropod.

 

[DOMS]

^Why do you want to blame a squirrel, man?

See, this is exactly what happened in eastern Europe. The Third Reich conquered new territory and specialized squirrel hunting units called Einsatzgruppen killed them in mass shootings.

Everyone should really be careful how casually they accuse squirrels. I fear a snowball effect.




Plus it's totally squirrel parent responsibility in play here.

One thing I know about squirrels, you don't screw with the Russian ones.

 

[Little Wing]

^ i remember that. right now i live in a great area. it's right in town but on a dead end street with a forest, a river and tons of squirrels and ravens. maybe it's because i feed them peanuts all winter but so far they have let us live. they're shy but will get pretty close for a peanut.

 

[SYN]

You can't just decide to exterminate part of the human race because they don't fit in your spectrum of being perfect, that is the issue I have with this. Was Hitler justified in what he did? Because you are pretty much suggesting the exact same thing.

You keep a kid locked in a basement cellar all of his childhood, he will be seriously screwed up for the rest of his life. The brain is a very powerful thing, and when a person isn't treated right, and taught the right things, there are alterations, brain cells don't mature the right way, if they even mature at all.

The things we experience in our childhood often shape the choices we make throughout our life. More times than not, this results in a negative form.

Most kids these days have been raised by a generation of self-centered workaholics, or welfare addicts, who have no time for their children, and these children often have to raise themselves.

I am not condoning what this child (and it very likey was a child) has done, but seriously, you are overreacting to something so small, and aren't placing the blame where it should be. Yea, its frustrating that that kids aren't nice and perfect, no reason to wish death to those who don't act the way you expect them to act.

Look, I respect you and everything, but you're not listening and missing the point. It is not okay for a child who knows right from wrong to just do wrong anyways because "oh my life sucks and the world owes me". Bullshit. There is no excuse for a child to blatantly ignore what he/she knows is the right thing to do and just do the wrong thing anyway because it's easier or makes them happy.
If I had a child and he stole something from another child at school or a public library or whatever, I wouldn't tell the other kids parents "Oh well, I can't afford to buy him a new L.L.Bean backpack so he can't be held accountable for taking your sons." That little shit would be apologizing and going to bed with a red ass. It is not okay to victimize other people because of your misfortune, and I don't understand why you and others in this thread find it necessary to insinuate that children are too stupid to have realized this by the time they are 5. Babies lie to their parents from birth, so why is it so unfathomable that a young child can differentiate from right and wrong and just not give a shit? I learned wrong from right from not only my parents but also from school (and the t.v. show chops ) and watching other kids get in trouble for stealing or starting fights. I had kids start fights with me and steal from me, more than a few times, and I learned how I should and shouldn't treat another person or living thing. And guess what? I didn't decide that "oh I got dealt a shitty hand" and start stealing everything I wanted that someone else had. Because I'm not a piece a shit, and I do care about what kind of person I am, and how I make other people feel with my words and actions.

When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. You don't squeeze those lemons into someone else's eyes.


It wasn't some little 6 year old that stole my brothers sandals. I'll be 19 in august, Tyler just turned 13, and his shoes are two sizes bigger than my feet (7 2/2 womens 6 mens). Why would a 6 year old need shoes that are 3 times bigger than their feet? It was obviously a kid who was old enough to know what they were doing was wrong and they just didn't give a shit.

it's not robinhood the have nots stealing from the haves it's just kids doing something despicable because they are despicable kids. i got to know the parents of the girl who took my daughters ring. they are really nice people and good parents. they stood there and supported me that day not their kid. she WAS taught better and came from a loving home with good guidance etc. she just was and still is a bad kid.

She's 21, on welfare with 2 kids by 2 different losers (had her 1st at 17) and her myspace page has all kinds of lovely little status updates like

"downtown prob at the beer tent find me"

"to the store to get stuff to make jell-o shots tonite than downtown"

Yes. She turned out to be a wonderful contributing member of society and just such a great mother.

 

[Curt James]

Demonic Squirrel Motorcycle Riding Story

i fucking LOVE this story. try and read it without laughing.

I got all the way to "And losing." before I lost it. lol

Classic! Pity the officers.

DOMS,

"They literally gutted the dog," local journalist Anastasia Trubitsina told Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.

FAK!

I had a squirrel land in front of my car on a side street. Might have been doing 15 mph. Saw the squirrel, slowed, then stopped. Blew my horn. Nothing. Got out of the car and approached the animal before it finally ran off.

Glad it wasn't demonic. Or Russian.

 

[Little Wing]

i don't know if he elaborated some but it's funny as hell. i'll have to check out some more of his stuff.

 

[Little Wing]

i honestly feel some kids are worthless pieces of shit and should be ground into pet food for my dog as long as the little fuckers aren't so full of ritalin and other garbage they poison my dog. some cuntfaced teenager just snatched my son's psp from right in front of him at the library and ran. my kid and his friend chased him but my son stopped to help his friend when he wiped out on the granite stairs. psp 300 129 bucks a birthday gift with the bonus of final fantasy crisis core in it.

everyone should be able to carry guns and a bullet in the back should be perfectly legal way to deal with a snatch n run pos. if i could get my hands on that little pig faced shit right now n get away with it i would hurt him. break his fucking fingers one by one all of them in 15 places each.

 

[Little Wing]

i seriously do not care it's a kid. the world needs less garbage. brains on the sidewalk? yippee kay aye. hope he runs away thru a few drunk drivers next time he steals. and the stupid whore that whelped such a useless human being needs her cunt burned shut.

 

[Little Wing]

score 1 for security cameras. kid and psp reunited, game and all.

 

[Little Wing]

now go the fuck to sleep.

 

[HialeahChico305]

I just had sex with this blonde chick, and the condom broke!!!!!!!!!! she refuses to take Plan B pills. god damn!