Effective dose of anavar for women.

[unclem]

Be aware that you're screwing w/ your thyroid and that t3 metabolizes both fat & muscle. Please do your research.

doing it q3wks at a time wont hurt nothing. it can help your pituitary gland as well in using it on the 3 wk schedule. just keep your bodytemp under control , like not doing jumping jacks in 105 degree fh weather. lonmg term use can lead to dependence. but the titrating doses up then slowly back down can help your body with stubborn areas. use with clen 2 wks on 2 wks off or 2 and 2 seems to work w/ clen also.

 

[unclem]

i know that the ones who say dont take because, have done there share of thyroid, clen , var and the like. i can tell ive been around to long to know whos on wat and how much at a good guess just by looking at a person, i can tell whos taking what. i have heard all the great bullshit stories out there but i play dumb, no i got this way through hard dieting and otc water pills or i have a fast metabolism, or i use creatine and some herbs, when there as guilty as the one who is up front about it. just my worthless 2 cents.

 

[BigBadWolf]

I didnt like my experience with T3/cytomel,although i dropped BF i dropped as much muscle with it and lost a decent bit of strength,all while on a healthy stack of suspension.However a fellow training partner had his bf melt off of him while not losing much muscle at all.Also a friend fitness chick is now dependant on T3, after one to many cycles with it.

 

[unclem]

^^^BIG IAM LIKE YOUR FRIEND I GET REALLY CUT FROM IT, sorry the caps didnt relize, anyway, i love it maybe 6 times a yr but now iam trying capt'n theory on it he gave a thread about it iam going to try shortly. i only use t3, t4 when on a bridge after i built the bulk. i do use clen on heavy cycles though. 2wk on 2 wk off. plus i use the amp5 and the kynoselen alot. b-12 and b-complex injects 2xs wk 2,000mcg each shot. so 4,000mcg a wk.subq insulin syringe mon thurs.

 

[BigBadWolf]

^^^BIG IAM LIKE YOUR FRIEND I GET REALLY CUT FROM IT, sorry the caps didnt relize, anyway, i love it maybe 6 times a yr but now iam trying capt'n theory on it he gave a thread about it iam going to try shortly. i only use t3, t4 when on a bridge after i built the bulk. i do use clen on heavy cycles though. 2wk on 2 wk off. plus i use the amp5 and the kynoselen alot. b-12 and b-complex injects 2xs wk 2,000mcg each shot. so 4,000mcg a wk.subq insulin syringe mon thurs.

Clen worked good for me, i stayed real lean while using it,but it always made me feel i had a fever.

 

[player*]

Hey OP FWIW, my wife is doing her first var cycle right now and is in week 6, about to stop. She ran 5mg ED the first 3 weeks, and not much happened. She went to 10mg ED, split into two doses morning and evening, and shit got real, and real fast.

Like folks said, var isnt going to act as a fat burner per se. My wife, who appears to be quite a bit leaner than the pic you posted at similar weight, recomped from the var while eating at a small caloric deficit. She got smaller in some places, and a WHOLE LOT bigger in other places. If it were winter I would have had to go buy her all new jeans, and I am not sure who would sell jeans with a waist that small and would fit quads that big. I would describe what she experienced as a "Bulk" for sure, although she now has a lower BF%. I think she hoped that her measurements would be smaller than they ended up being. I told her she picked the wrong supplament then.

Good luck to both of you.

 

[unclem]

Clen worked good for me, i stayed real lean while using it,but it always made me feel i had a fever.

thats just your body creating massive heat, work up to the dosage slowly. i started at 20mcg then tirated up to 80mcg thats all i can handle or ill have the shakes so bad somebody will think iam coming off a good drunk. plus i wont be able to tie my fucking shoes big. lol.

 

[XYZ]

"anavar is not a "fat burner" "

Thank you Sassy. This is a myth that simply has to die. The word "anabolic" should be the tipoff - anabolic steroids don't make you smaller!

No it's not, but there are plenty of studies showing that it does indeed reduce abdominal body fat in males.

 

[Built]

Yep, but they don't make you lose weight. That part's diet.

 

[Built]

Pardon me, but won't testosterone do this as well? Hubby went on HRT last year and his ab fat is the lowest it has ever been. He's still got a little bit there, he's not a bodybuilder and he doesn't diet, but he had a gut at one point and he can now suck it in for the camera and have it not show.

 

[Built]

I'm not mad at anyone, don't worry, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. Weight loss and fat loss are two different things. Some AAS stimulate appetite, so if a woman is taking anavar to lean out and doesn't have her calories restricted, she's probably going to GAIN weight, not lose. I've seen this, and so I'm sure has Sassy.

There is no question that androgens are great for recomposition.

 

[unclem]

I'm not mad at anyone, don't worry, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. Weight loss and fat loss are two different things. Some AAS stimulate appetite, so if a woman is taking anavar to lean out and doesn't have her calories restricted, she's probably going to GAIN weight, not lose. I've seen this, and so I'm sure has Sassy.

There is no question that androgens are great for recomposition.

i was on one page and i just didnt understand wtf was going on i read your post and sassy post. yes some aas stimulate appetite, eq for example. and yes if a woman takes var and dont have her calories restricted yes most certainly she will gain weight. i cant argue with you on diet as you are much better than i to talk about dieting and ive said this about you on numerous posts. maybe you havent read them. iam learning after 32 yrs about how to diet properly so iam catching up built i might be the next built, i dont know its kinda iffy right now. but with all kidding aside i agree with you and sassy, even though she called me fatty, no she was jk. it just got confusing because you and sassy showed up in thunders posts together and it confused me thats all. ok no worries.

 

[Built]

LMAO you silly! Go eat something.

 

[XYZ]

Yep, but they don't make you lose weight. That part's diet.

If you're losing body fat how is that not losing weight?

I think what we're both trying to say here is that diet is the most important thing and the anavar is just that little edge that's going to help? Which I agree with 100%.

It's funny, everyone wants the "magic pill" that just helps you lose 20 lbs in 3 days without having to do anything, if we invented it......................!!!!

 

[Built]

You can drop bodyfat and gain lean mass on gear. That's how it's not losing weight.

For women, the gains we make - even on gear - are small. So a woman who isn't restricting calories while running a tiny bit of gear will gain weight - usually a bit of fat an a bit more muscle, but sometimes the other way around depending how much she eats. She may recompose a bit while she does it, possibly changing around the proportions of fat deposition a little, but unless she diets, she won't lean out.

It won't just speed up your metabolism like DNP or something.

 

[sassy69]

"Weight" = the sum total of bodyfat, bone mass, lean muscle mass & water weight.

I can dump a shitload of "weight" in 2 weeks on a keto / atkins diet -but its water weight, not fat. I think the stat I've seen is that you can drop about 0.5lb of BODYFAT per week if dieting. If you just judge progress by a scale, you may lose your mind. This is how many women mindfuck themselves when they talk about "losing weight" and then flip out when the scale doens't move. But take a closer look at how your clothes fit. Lean muscle mass weighs more than fat but occupies less space. Some time around 2004, I'd gone thru a sort of shitty year w/ a job layoff, a relocation to a different state and general burnout and got up to my heaviest and flabbiest. Once I got settled in the new job, I decided I needed to get my life back in order, and started up at a new gym. During the initial part of this diet, I recall I dropped about 8% bodyfat and 2 lb. If I'd gone by the scale, I would've jumped out the window for all the dieting and the intensity of my training & cardio. But based on how my clothes were fitting, I was very happy. I had made dramatic changes in my body composition, even tho the scale didnt' reflect much more than a fluctuation of a couple lbs.

With anavar, or any other test hormone, you're introducing a greater tendency towards promoting lean muscle mass vs bodyfat (which estrogen likes to do). So in a sense you're producing the result of fat loss, even tho steroids aren't literally fat burners in the same sense as ECA, clen, etc. But in promoting lean muscle mass, if you're not dieting or already lean, esp on women, that will start to look more like you're getting "thick". This may also end up in an increase of weight by the scale. With diet, cardio, training and an anavar cycle, it can instead come up w/ a leaner, harder look, some weight loss due to the dieting, but not necessarily dramatic weight loss (by the scale) because you're doing more of a body composition exchange than literally "losing weight".

This is where many women are misinformed on what steroids do. Most see their bf / spouse / male friends using steroids and hitting the gym and coming out ripped. Women interpret this as "these will make me lose weight" - or "tone up & lean out". Not just by "taking steroids" tho. Most guys don't expect to pop or shoot roids and just get buff. They then take it into the gym, train hard (because its "manly" to be able to lift heavy shit) and the result is that they lean out and get hard. Women are usually just looking for somethign to "take" to get them "lean" (which they interpret as "lose weight"). But at the same time, they don't want to alter their diets or go lift in the gym because they are worried about "getting big".

At the end of the day, a little juice goes a long way in women because the proportion of exogenous test to natural test even in a conservative dose of a very mild anabolic can produce dramatic results. But its all about managing the ratio of lean muscle mass to bodyfat, and not getting hung up w/ the number on the scale. Also most women tend to carry more bodyfat so adding muscle mass to that will just make them "thicker". Women who tend to have speedy metabolism or are the "skinny bitches" most of us hate, can run a very light cycle of var or winstrol and come out RIPPED and nicely "toned" - but the difference is that they don't have the additional bodyfat that most other women have to deal w/ as well. But they are also probably hard gainers and w/o the roids would have to eat a shitload and lift like a mofo to produce the muscle gain that others who carry the bodyfat dont' have to work as hard to build, but have to work harder to expose under the bodyfat.

 

[unclem]

sassy, that was a well thought out post and a great post. i like wat you and built talk about in your posts. i learn a great deal, as you probably dont even relize how many of your posts i do read. very informative. i like the diet ones as iam learning with my trainer how to eat to train and train to eat. this will be my last competition but i really want to win and reading you and builts and juggernut posts, iam gaining more knowledge. take care sassy., hey fatty lol.

 

[sassy69]

sassy, that was a well thought out post and a great post. i like wat you and built talk about in your posts. i learn a great deal, as you probably dont even relize how many of your posts i do read. very informative. i like the diet ones as iam learning with my trainer how to eat to train and train to eat. this will be my last competition but i really want to win and reading you and builts and juggernut posts, iam gaining more knowledge. take care sassy., hey fatty lol.

Hey Fatty!

LOL! Built very nicely relates the science behind a lot of what people ask - which is cool! I've been around long enough to know that the questions that most people ask are the same ones that we all thought about at some point. "Fitness" isn't exactly rocket science, but sometimes its not totally intuitively obvious either. Especially for women, the stuff that men say or do doesn't necessarily translate (i.e. test-dominant hormone profile vs estro-dominant hormone profile), and then you have to give consideration to what drives women vs what drives men.

 

[unclem]

^^^nice sassy, but one thing that really bothers me is iam a reg nurse ok and i cant do grammer for the life of me, do you think we need a thread on how to do grammer properly, starring yours truely, UNCLEM. all kidding aside, you have a wide variety of knowledge, and you have been training like me over 30 yrs, what was your most exciting moment competing on stage, were you a pro fitness model or female bber? you look so young but when you said you training since the 1981, i said shes got to be around my age, now i dont care about how old you are but iam interested in your most joyess moment that happen to you in your career as a bber wat stands out for you as your best bbing happening? ill wait for your answer.

 

[sassy69]

^^^nice sassy, but one thing that really bothers me is iam a reg nurse ok and i cant do grammer for the life of me, do you think we need a thread on how to do grammer properly, starring yours truely, UNCLEM. all kidding aside, you have a wide variety of knowledge, and you have been training like me over 30 yrs, what was your most exciting moment competing on stage, were you a pro fitness model or female bber? you look so young but when you said you training since the 1981, i said shes got to be around my age, now i dont care about how old you are but iam interested in your most joyess moment that happen to you in your career as a bber wat stands out for you as your best bbing happening? ill wait for your answer.

I started my life as a student of physics & astronomy and had 1 semester registered as PhD in Astrophysics. Then the Challenger shuttle blew up and sort of killed any opportunity of a reasonable career in that direction. I switched to software and have worked in software/ communications / internet technology since the late 80s. The whole weightlifting thing was something I found on my own in this old weight room we had at our local YMCA. There was no one else in there to learn from and I just did it on my own. I hired my first trainer in 1984 when Nautilus / "fitness centers" started getting big. And just continued from there.

I think it took a long time to filter out the Nautilus and the Jane Fonda stuff... I was never exposed to things like a real powerlifter until after 2000. But it was the "private" time, the ability to go into the gym and challenge myself in simple ways every day and the physical outlet that it gave me from sitting on my ass or the stresses of a computer job. It was never about "I wanna get big" or "I wanna lose weight" - it was always about how it made me feel and the structure and framework it gave my daily life.

This became even more important to me after the internet bust when I had to start moving around a lot to get a stable job. I've bounced 4 different states and 7 or 8 different jobs since 2003 and its very hard to restart your life over and over with no one around to start it with. The gym was always the first place I would find in my new location - it was familiar, it was a place I could go every day and get a structure started to my life again. And then meet people who "got it", get into the local competitions as a place to start a focus while getting settled into the new job.

I guess this is how fundamental this lifestyle is to me and who I am. My family doesn't get it and generally hates that I compete, but I know for a fact that if I gave this up I would start resenting the people who made me give it up. So I won't give it up. Its there when I need it, and if I need time off, its there when I get back.

I think the most important thing I get from it is the stress outlet and sense of daily accomplishment, and the physical exercise and all that is a great secondary result that helps to keep me young.

Forgot to add - in terms of competitive BB - I think making it thru my first show was my best and worst experience - biggest mindfuck of my life and most stressful experience I've ever gone thru. But I learned SO MUCH about myself and how I handle my behavior under extreme stress. I also gained a huge amount of personal empowerment in learning how to control my weight and that I could do it. I never had any issue w/ putting on muscle or not - it was never a personal goal and mostly it was just cool that I had some muscle to put on. It was more about finding that I could push more weight or learned better form - it was the "doing" of the lifting that was more important than anything else. But the ability get my weight to drop was life changing. I'd always carried the extra 10-15 lbs growing up. I had a bunch of tall, skinny, big-boobed friends and I was just the "big girl" - I never saw myself as overweight - but just never lean. So I wasn't allowed to feel sexy or comfortable in my own skin. I finally got myself a boob job when I was 35 and stopped feeling like I had to apologize for having no female shape. I just had big shoulders and a big ass - I was just big . Now I"m BIG and I love it because I control what "BIG" I am. I'll never be small but I can be 6% lean if I want. Personally I can't stand weak-shouldered people - this includes men & women - its not a reflection of those people but just something I don't find attractive (LOL I don't say it out loud - its just a personal preference )

I"m not professional anything in this industry - its a hobby but its such a personal passion and outlet that it wouldn't matter if there was an "industry" or not. What I do like about "the industry" is that it gives a fun outlet for what I do - its such a personal, private and very selfish sport, its kinda nice to have some fun events to go to where you can go and be like Hollywood, dress like a freak, be a freak and embrace it w/ all the other "IT" people in this odd little subculture. I don't need attention all the time - in fact I like that I don't get attention most fo the time, but its sort of self-satisfying to get to dress up and get some props when al the work comes together for a show or a shoot or whatever. Its a bit retarded that we hide for 8 months out of the year when we're "off season" or not quite dialed in yet, and then go blast it out in a couple weeks or months when we're "dialed in". But it is what it is. In my private life I'm just a computer jockey and I have no big events anyway. My two favorite times of year are summer competitions and the Olympia.

 

[unclem]

^^good read, i never show it off i dont want idiots to ask all kinds of stupid ?s. i wear hoodies everywhere even in summer. at home with my wife different storie, shes from another country, so she hates it, iam to heavy she says. well fuck then put some weight on. but yeah your first show is stressful. you must pretty smart to have got into, well if i could spell it, lol. keep up great work, good things come your way. i started in 1978-79 on boards with atlas sending me weekly copies of how to work out. then i went to the gym and met a worlds strongest man boris gerrasi, he beat lou ferrigno in the car deadlift. he trained me. aahhh those were the days. no gear until 25 he preached and i listen. but ive made up for lost time. i wish you nothing but best future sassy. good luck, m...............

 

[unclem]

thats the last time i give compliments.

 

[loveabull1]

Hey guys/gals. My girl was getting too big on the var. She stopped that about 2 weeks ago. As I stated earlier, she wanted me to get her some winny in hopes that it would work better at burning fat. She has been taking 10mg ed for about 5 weeks now. Her voice has changed enough where it is noticable! Like I also said, when it comes to women and gear, I am no expert and turn to the computer for research. The more research I do, the more I believe, I/we made the wrong choice in her taking anything! Iv'e just spent about a good hour reading about winny for women. I need some honest opinions. Iv'e read some sides are irreversable. She is going to stop taking the winny now and just go natural. My question is... Will her voice go back to normal after stopping? I cant seem to find a defineate answer about that. We figured trial and error and we would learn. I just hope the voice goes back to normal. And, IMO I think we made a poor choice! So, on the cracking of the voice thing, does it usually go back to normal? I don't know of any women who have ever took winny personally. Just what Iv'e read.

 

[Built]

Winny will give stronger sides than the 'var.

Her voice may settle down after many months, but some change may be permanent. You'll know in about three or four months.

If she got bigger, it was because she ate more. You need to keep an iron grip on the cals if you want to run gear and LOSE weight. It tends to promote appetite. That's one of the reasons it's so effective for wasting diseases, such as HIV/AIDS.

Neither winny nor 'var is a fat burner. Both are ANABOLIC, androgenic steroids. That means they promote muscle gain. Unless you ensure she runs a caloric deficit, she'll be hungrier, eat more, and get bigger.
Just like you will if you run gear.

 

[loveabull1]

Thanks Built. We got into a little dispute about her diet not being the best earlier. She will go to the store and try to sneak in sugar loaded snacks quite often. I told her if she's not going to stay dedicated to not even bother taking the winny anymore. I keep trying to emphysize the importance of a strict diet to her. I feel bad now since I tried to play doctor and left her with a deeper more cracking voice. Although that is what she nagged me to get her and if I didn't order it, she might have went behind my back and ordered it herself. Do you think maybe taking birth control pills would help make her voice normal quicker again? I'm seriously worried and could really use a little assurance if possible.

 

[loveabull1]

^^^try to get her some aldactone, its used to help control, and does control, woman taking gear. i dont care watever reasearch says about wat or who, how where, it works. but her voice , if not to long should return to normal. remember to get that aldactone, ive seen alot of females use strong doses of drol and get no sides using aldactone/ spironolactone 50mg but 100mg if using gear at same time. it also clears acne as dermatologists use it to control acne in men/ woman. its hit and miss with acne. its a diuretic/ bp pill. but also lowers test levels.my sister uses it with no gear sides at all, and, she takes d-bol and other stuff. shes a elite power lifter. good luck.


ps: remember if its been crackling and not deepened it should go away on its own, if its deepened bad i dont think the damage can be repaired. even with aldactone now but give it a shot.

Yeah, it's more of a cracking voice rather than deepening. She kinda sounds like a homo guy in a way. She has only taken it for a little over 5 weeks at 10mg ed. Where can I find some aldactone? And most of all, is it safe? I don't wanna take more chances with her that we might regret. I remember you sayin you are a nurse and trully believe you are very knowledgeable though!

 

[Built]

I don't see for a minute how aldolactone will help. Birth control pills will just help her get fatter.

 

[sassy69]

Thanks Built. We got into a little dispute about her diet not being the best earlier. She will go to the store and try to sneak in sugar loaded snacks quite often. I told her if she's not going to stay dedicated to not even bother taking the winny anymore. I keep trying to emphysize the importance of a strict diet to her. I feel bad now since I tried to play doctor and left her with a deeper more cracking voice. Although that is what she nagged me to get her and if I didn't order it, she might have went behind my back and ordered it herself. Do you think maybe taking birth control pills would help make her voice normal quicker again? I'm seriously worried and could really use a little assurance if possible.

Frankly this is what pisses me off about women who want to get into steroids but rely on their bf/so/coach/ some guy to do all the work for them.

Guess what? Your results, YOUR SIDES. I get that guys want to help their girls (or maybe just get them to shut up about being fat and get them a quicky fix), but ultimately the girl has to understand and be RESPONSIBLE for both the results and the sides. Cuz you can't "take" something to fix a side that is the result of the presence of an imbalance of hormones in her body. You can't pick and choose the results & sides you're willing to accept, cuz you're stuck w/ whatever the combination of that drug and your body chemsitry leave you with. Tough shit. Live with it.

Sorry to be a hardass, but all the best intentions are shot down when the girl can't keep a diet, doesn't like how she's now "thick" when she was thinking she's going to look like a Pro Fitness girl by taking this or that cycle, and decides she doesn't like oily skin, hair falling out and the voice change freaks her out. If you can't deal w/ it, you have no business playing with it. Get your friggen diet in order first. If you can't be responsible enough for that, you have absolutely no fucking business self-medicating w/ male hormones, and then crying about it.

The good news is that half life of winstrol is reasonably short. The detection time is also reasonably short (e.g. compared to the way long acting stuff) is about 2 months for injectable , 3 weeks for oral winny. So by then she should have her voice back. Cant' speak for continued scratchy throat or coughing or ultimate impact to a singing voice, if that was important.

I'm going to suggest don't spend a lot of time running around looking for ways to counter the results / sides of the presence of hormones in her system - they're there. All you can do is wait for them to dissipate. Stress = Cortisol = gut fat. Don't aggravate it - just focus on getting the diet clean and consistent if she wants to get results. Nothing tastes as good as lean feels. This is working on her relationship w/ food. If she doesn't fixate on the voice thing, it won't be as big a deal. Within 2 months things should be back to normal.

 

[loveabull1]

I hear ya Sassy. I don't think your being a hardass. You just tell it like it is. I show my girl everything you guys write. Alot of times it helps when she hears it from someone else. Cause even though I'm just trying to help, she thinks I'm just harping on her all the time.

 

[sassy69]

I hear ya Sassy. I don't think your being a hardass. You just tell it like it is. I show my girl everything you guys write. Alot of times it helps when she hears it from someone else. Cause even though I'm just trying to help, she thinks I'm just harping on her all the time.

Cool!