HCG : Is it worth it?

[Trauma1]

Many thanks, this answers my questions. Particular the section that states that the size of your testicles does not necessary correlate to the abilty to produce testosterone : I quote:

"Note: visually analyzing testes size is a poor method of judging your actual testicular function, since testicular size is not directly related to the ability to secrete testosterone. (4) This is because the leydig cells, which are the primary sites of testosterone secretion, only make up about 10% of the total testicular volume. Therefore, when the testes may only appear 5-10% smaller, the testes ability to secrete testosterone upon LH or hCG stimulation can actually be significantly reduced to 98% of their normal production. (3-5) So do not judge how "shutdown" you are by testicular size!"

The post also suggests that its better to run HCG is small dosages throughout rather than at the end, since you will respond better at this time and that you should not run HCG during PCT. Note I knew that it should not be run during PCT from other articles but yet people still seem to insist on doing this on other forums.

So thanks again.

Glad to hear the article has helped answer some of your questions. Running hCG in PCT is absolutely pointless. The whole goal of PCT is to recover your natural hormonal homeostasis.

hCG is a peptide hormone that mimics LH and will further inhibit LH secretion while it's present in the body. This is why you want to use hCG while on cycle to maintain testicular function, and then drop it a few weeks before your PCT so it clears your body. At that point, you're testes will be primed for LH stimulation and will get you upregulated fairly quickly.




-John

 

[MDR]

Awesome to hear you've had very good success with your regimen, here. How long were your cycles?

I would never cycle without hCG ever again. It's amazing when you do it right how much easier PCT is; as well as helping to maintain your hard earned gains.




-John

Cycles were both 16 weeks. Doubling the amount taken each week made all the difference in the world.

 

[blergs.]

Running it at the end is what I did, and I am having a great PCT as of now..
Random boners throughout day.
High libido and energy..
Hav not lost size..

using HCG during PCT is a very stupid idea.........
HCGenerate i would DEFF recommend with or after PCT .
but NOT HCG
the last 4-6weeks of cycle leading upto pct but NOT INTO PCT.

you will only make recovery harder using it during pct.

 

[shootquads]

Cycles were both 16 weeks. Doubling the amount taken each week made all the difference in the world.

I know several people who use slightly different HCG regimens, mostly TRT folks who also cycle, and their total weekly dose adds up to 500-1500IU (similar to the ranges being discussed here IOW). Some do 150IU/day, some do 250IU-300IU 3x weekly, one does 750IU twice a week.

So my question is, would there be any benefit to splitting the HCG dose of say 1000IU/wk into 3 separate shots instead of 2? Maybe 250-300 3x weekly? Not that I am a fan of more shots (time consuming, busy life, etc), just curious as to your thoughts/experiences.

 

[MDR]

Interesting question. I don't think there is any problem going with three shots, so long as you spread the shots out over the course of the week. I'm not sure if there is any real benefit over taking two shots-one every 3-4 days. I have always done it in two weekly doses.

 

[Astaroth]

what the fuck are testiculous?

sorry man, 'testicles' i meant. now i'm Astaroth. does anyone can reply abou Astaroth' question above about Teslac and Clomid..what differences. which between them two the most efficacious ,powerfull(i
n order to get HPTA to restore) is? sorry my gramma

 

[MDR]

sorry man, 'testicles' i meant. now i'm Astaroth. does anyone can reply abou Astaroth' question above about Teslac and Clomid..what differences. which between them two the most efficacious ,powerfull(i
n order to get HPTA to restore) is? sorry my gramma

You might want to start your own thread so more people will see your topic. Also, it is considered a bit rude to co-opt someone else's thread.

 

[Astaroth]

You might want to start your own thread so more people will see your topic. Also, it is considered a bit rude to co-opt someone else's thread.

ok thanx,so i get to open a thread of mine called 'the best ways to restore the whole glandular system'

 

[MDR]

ok thanx,so i get to open a thread of mine called 'the best ways to restore the whole glandular system'

Call it whatever you want. I was just letting you know that you won't get much response co-opting someone else's thread. This thread is about Hcg.

 

[Gamer2be08]

using HCG during PCT is a very stupid idea.........
HCGenerate i would DEFF recommend with or after PCT .
but NOT HCG
the last 4-6weeks of cycle leading upto pct but NOT INTO PCT.

you will only make recovery harder using it during pct.

Where in my post did I say I was using it during PCT?
It clearly says before PCT.. It says use HCG then start PCT.. AFTER..

 

[Gamer2be08]

A marketing scam?

Gamer, you obviously don't understand the complexities at work here in both the potential pathophysiology or comprised endrocrine functions that are involved. Do you realize that if you've desensitized the testes enough that you can lose permanent function at varying levels? Yes, this means you can become a victim of primary hypogonadism and be on TRT the rest of your life because you're testes no longer respond to LH/FSH stimulation, and your ITT/INSL3levels are no longer therapeutic for optimal homeostatic function. I don't know about you, but I don't want to live on artificial test the rest of my life...

Refer to this point from the article:




So, if you're going to attempt refute something you probably should have some scientific substance to further support your "anecdotal" views. There are plenty to support ours here as listed in the references. To come in here and say this is a "marketing scam" is about as ridiculous as your unsubstantiated views on the topic.

Haters gonna hate...


-John

I do understand.
I know that PP does not market in HCG.
NOR DID I MEAN IT WAS A SCAM BY YOU OR PP...
Me hate against you? Honestly? Come on man.. I help promote some of your products.. Help as in present tense... A lot of PCT implements are scams is what I am saying.. On a source forum I frequent, there is a thread thousands posts long about PCT, SERM and HCG scams, used to market..

 

[Astaroth]

This thread is about Hcg.

well man,so i want to talk about HCG too. at first a question please.
I saw u all type the word TRT. what does it mean?
second: may we talk about Clomid ,tormifene too ..or just only about HCG?
if it's possible i'ldf like to know the truth about Clomid to be a bit toxic for liver and prostate while Tormifene doesn't. is it true?
so ,in order to restore your right own HPTA function could u take Hcg+Tormifene in the place of Hcg+Clomid? i don't wanna liver & prostate issue, and someone told me tormifene is better and more sure then clomid.

third question is about Teslac. what do u think about it? those people told me teslac has anti-estrogens propriety like clomid,so u can get prostate and liver issue the same. so they suggest tormifene.what do u think about?

 

[cavtrooper96]

Im thinking I might want to bump my HCG dosage up from 250x2 per week to 500x2 per week now. I have enough on hand for my current cycle at 500iu per week. So does anyone know a good place I can get some more without having to pay out the ass for western union and for shipping plus the HCG? What I have now I got with a bunch of other stuff so shipping was free. You can PM me if you know.

 

[moarwhey123]

definetly worth it depending on how harsh the cycle was
makes PCT a lot easier.

 

[Trauma1]

I do understand.
I know that PP does not market in HCG.
NOR DID I MEAN IT WAS A SCAM BY YOU OR PP...
Me hate against you? Honestly? Come on man.. I help promote some of your products.. Help as in present tense... A lot of PCT implements are scams is what I am saying.. On a source forum I frequent, there is a thread thousands posts long about PCT, SERM and HCG scams, used to market..

Well, what would you think I would assume when you post this:

IMO, you can run HCG last 3 weeks leading to PCT and be perfectly fine..
Cheaper.
Less injects throughout.
Less estrogen.
Leydig cells wont be desensitized..

No need to run most of cycle..
That article is a marketing scam.. IMO

Only (1) article was posted in this thread, so what else could you be talking about exactly? You even stated "that article." I know you're better than this, Gamer. The article is meant to be a reference and resource of information; not the only opinion or view on how hCG should be implemented. I've also seen you bash Primordial as well recently; but that's not a topic to bring into this focal discussion.

I agree that there are scams all around this industry, but this discussion about how to utilize and implement hCG is far from that.




-John

 

[Gamer2be08]

Well, what would you think I would assume when you post this:



Only (1) article was posted in this thread, so what else could you be talking about exactly? You even stated "that article." I know you're better than this, Gamer. The article is meant to be a reference and resource of information; not the only opinion or view on how hCG should be implemented. I've also seen you bash Primordial as well recently; but that's not a topic to bring into this focal discussion.

I agree that there are scams all around this industry, but this discussion about how to utilize and implement hCG is far from that.




-John

The only thing I have "bashed" was oral formestane and oral sustain.. It doesnt make sense.. But I will leave it alone..

 

[Gamer2be08]

And I was saying most PCT setups are a scam.. Like SERM dosages stupid atd, shitty test boosters..and IMO HCG use..