Hey guys planning my 1st Hdrol cycle soon...

[ELH]

Hey everyone, to start things off I am 22 years old. I have never taken a PH or DS before. I have been lifting since Dec 08' and I feel like the gains are much slower now.

As of right now I weigh right at 170lbs at 14 percent body fat. I started at a skinny fat 145 in 08'. I am also 5' 10''.

To start with I have two bottles of CEL hdrol, a bottle of CEL cycle assist, a bottle of CEL PCT assist. I will be buying taurine soon for back pumps and deciding which pct to buy, Nolva or clomid.

I am thinking of running the something like this for the cycle
50/50/75/75/75

But, I am open for any and all suggestions. Since I am a smaller guy I want to see how 50mg effects me in the first two weeks before moving up.

Anyone with similar height, weight, and bf that has a log. links would be much appreciated.

Also I would appreciate recommendations on a PCT. One of my friends recently ran nolva with his last mdrol cycle and had decent results. I can easily gain access to what he has left which would be enough for my PCT. BUT, I have read that some people recommend clomid still.

Thanks for any help guys. I don't plan on doing anything until I have everything lined up exactly like I want and what it needs to be.

 

[mich29]

Hey everyone, to start things off I am 22 years old. I have never taken a PH or DS before. I have been lifting since Dec 08' and I feel like the gains are much slower now.

As of right now I weigh right at 170lbs at 14 percent body fat. I started at a skinny fat 145 in 08'. I am also 5' 10''.

To start with I have two bottles of CEL hdrol, a bottle of CEL cycle assist, a bottle of CEL PCT assist. I will be buying taurine soon for back pumps and deciding which pct to buy, Nolva or clomid.

I am thinking of running the something like this for the cycle
50/50/75/75/75

But, I am open for any and all suggestions. Since I am a smaller guy I want to see how 50mg effects me in the first two weeks before moving up.

Anyone with similar height, weight, and bf that has a log. links would be much appreciated.

Also I would appreciate recommendations on a PCT. One of my friends recently ran nolva with his last mdrol cycle and had decent results. I can easily gain access to what he has left which would be enough for my PCT. BUT, I have read that some people recommend clomid still.

Thanks for any help guys. I don't plan on doing anything until I have everything lined up exactly like I want and what it needs to be.

I'd get Nolva for pct and some femara to have on hand.and some fish oil

 

[smythst]

I've just finished a 4 week cycle (50/75/75/75) and have been hugely impressed by the results. In terms of PCT, I'm sticking with OTC for this one (BBS Complete PCT). A lot of people say that HDrol is pretty mild, and that's certainly been my experience of using it in terms of sides and liver toxicity. Hope this helps, and good luck.

 

[ELH]

I've just finished a 4 week cycle (50/75/75/75) and have been hugely impressed by the results. In terms of PCT, I'm sticking with OTC for this one (BBS Complete PCT). A lot of people say that HDrol is pretty mild, and that's certainly been my experience of using it in terms of sides and liver toxicity. Hope this helps, and good luck.

thanks man, what are your stats and gains from the 4 week cycle if you don't mind me asking?

Btw I will be taking orange triad multi, fish oil, and whey alone with a healthy bulking diet throughout the cycle.

Mich29 what purpose would Femara have along with Nolva if you don't mind me asking. I'm just trying to research as much as possible right now.

 

[smythst]

No problem. I'm 28 and have been training for about 10 years.

Pre cycle I was 80Kg and 14% BF
Post cycle I'm 89 Kg and 9% BF

I was strict with my diet, and as I'm in the Army, I couldn't avoid cardio, so a lot of early morning runs and what we lovingly call "battle PT". I'm sure I would have gained more had it not been for this.

 

[ELH]

No problem. I'm 28 and have been training for about 10 years.

Pre cycle I was 80Kg and 14% BF
Post cycle I'm 89 Kg and 9% BF

I was strict with my diet, and as I'm in the Army, I couldn't avoid cardio, so a lot of early morning runs and what we lovingly call "battle PT". I'm sure I would have gained more had it not been for this.

Wow I'm impressed with your gains. Honestly I would be completely happy at ~180lbs/~82kg and 10-12% bf after my cycle.

And this was with a 4 week cycle and an OTC PCT? How are you gains staying since you have stopped the cycle?

Also I will be training jiujitsu and muay thai two to three times a week while on cycle so it is good to hear that you had no problems doing cardio.

 

[Rayj211]

good choice for ur first ph cycle. i used hdrol for my first ph cycle back in october i ran 50/50/75/75/100/100.. i didnt start noticing gains till the end of my third week so thats why i bumped up and decided to make it a 6 week cycle. I gained about 8lbs of lean mass strength went up rather nicely also. i felt my gains would have been much better if i had a higher protein and carbs intake. I lost 5lbs during my pct. I ran hypertest inhibit e and lean fx. They worked ok for me no gyno or anything like that but id suggest some nolva. Hope your cycle gos good just be smart and eat right.

 

[ELH]

good choice for ur first ph cycle. i used hdrol for my first ph cycle back in october i ran 50/50/75/75/100/100.. i didnt start noticing gains till the end of my third week so thats why i bumped up and decided to make it a 6 week cycle. I gained about 8lbs of lean mass strength went up rather nicely also. i felt my gains would have been much better if i had a higher protein and carbs intake. I lost 5lbs during my pct. I ran hypertest inhibit e and lean fx. They worked ok for me no gyno or anything like that but id suggest some nolva. Hope your cycle gos good just be smart and eat right.

thanks man, I plan on eating healthy and eating a lot. Going to Sam's club after work to sign up to get good deals on lots of bulking foods.

One question was the 8lbs gained before or after you lost 5lbs during PCT?

 

[Rayj211]

after the 6 week cycle i gained about 8lbs. I lost 5 lbs during pct. So after everything thing i stayed w/ 3lbs. But i wasnt bulking i was trying to do a recomp cycle. I was too conscientious of the way I was eating and should have ate more especially during pct my diet kinda fell off. But my body fat percentage went down also. Dont know the exact percentage but it was visible in the mid section. Ive actually been doing some research for a litle bit now im gunna do my second cycle soon havent chose what im gunna use yet but im gunna be bulking and definitely gunna eat right this time.

 

[ELH]

good info to know man thanks, I plan on eating a lot and often

 

[ELH]

anybody else happen to have an opinion on what PCT is better?

 

[oufinny]

Torem for your serm!

 

[ELH]

Torem for your serm!

how does it compare to results, prices, and availability? if you don't mind me asking.

 

[brato]

Cycle looks good, I did pretty much the same for my first.
Probably won't need it but good to have nolva on hand.

BTW - Keep napkins handy, I had a couple bloody noses when I went up to 75mg.

Hope it helps.

 

[Pika]

Cycle looking good and simple, nolva ( is a must ) just in case..... Im doing a p mag cycle in few months as my first cycle heard its lighter on the sides but stronger .

 

[mitchrossaz]

good stuff I've taken it myself. Check out iconsupplements.com for the product really cheap prices on everything. That's where I get all my stuff from.

 

[ELH]

Cycle looks good, I did pretty much the same for my first.
Probably won't need it but good to have nolva on hand.

BTW - Keep napkins handy, I had a couple bloody noses when I went up to 75mg.

Hope it helps.

Another vote for nolva, thanks! and nosebleeds? dang, I will watch for them.

Cycle looking good and simple, nolva ( is a must ) just in case..... Im doing a p mag cycle in few months as my first cycle heard its lighter on the sides but stronger .

good luck with you p mag cycle!

good stuff I've taken it myself. Check out iconsupplements.com for the product really cheap prices on everything. That's where I get all my stuff from.

i'll check it out, thanks!

 

[Pika]

Thanks bro, i think il run a 4 week cycle maybye 5 but been told p mag stops after tge 4tg week ..... Pct im using nolva .... Now nolva csn have sides of its own ... Blood clarts, eye problems, hot flashes, etr etrr...... So i was thinking... Any1 think i shoukd just keep nolva on hand or?

 

[hill450]

I would definitely get some nolva or clomid for a pct because I believe pmag is methylated. You could keep nolva on hand for during cycle in case you had gyno flare ups but I doubt you will. Clomid or nolva for pct though and get them before you start your cycle obviously.

I'd check out the board sponsors for those. EP is great...

 

[ELH]

Thanks bro, i think il run a 4 week cycle maybye 5 but been told p mag stops after tge 4tg week ..... Pct im using nolva .... Now nolva csn have sides of its own ... Blood clarts, eye problems, hot flashes, etr etrr...... So i was thinking... Any1 think i shoukd just keep nolva on hand or?

Worth keeping on hand man, no one likes man titties. Have some just in case.

I would definitely get some nolva or clomid for a pct because I believe pmag is methylated. You could keep nolva on hand for during cycle in case you had gyno flare ups but I doubt you will. Clomid or nolva for pct though and get them before you start your cycle obviously.

I'd check out the board sponsors for those. EP is great...

^^this Pika

Btw bro,
I'm stealing your pink "animal" nolva from your room.

Hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your nolva Hill.

 

[Pika]

Ok il get nolva thanks.... 1 last thing sorry lol.... So blood clots and eye problems on nolva? Not commen i guess? I can get nolva few friends also i got a trust website

 

[hill450]

Worth keeping on hand man, no one likes man titties. Have some just in case.



^^this Pika

Btw bro,
I'm stealing your pink "animal" nolva from your room.

Hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your nolva Hill.

I don't know about that...I may need it for this mdrol I'm about to do...

Ok il get nolva thanks.... 1 last thing sorry lol.... So blood clots and eye problems on nolva? Not commen i guess? I can get nolva few friends also i got a trust website

I have never heard of these problems. You'll be taking low doses and not for very long and like I said I would just leave it for gyno flare ups and use clomid for a pct instead of nolva.

 

[Pika]

Oh ok bro thanks

 

[Pika]

Also shall i take pct assist aswel? Do i take um both together? Or?

 

[ELH]

Also shall i take pct assist aswel? Do i take um both together? Or?

it wouldn't hurt running it with nolva. Hill450 hated CEL pct assist and cycle assist though.

 

[hill450]

Also shall i take pct assist aswel? Do i take um both together? Or?

Definitely take a cycle assist with your cycle and you can also take pct assist with nolva or clomid for pct.

I'm going to use Advanced Cycle Support Rx for my next cycle support and clomid for pct. You'll want to preload your cycle assist for a week or two before starting also.

 

[Pika]

Oh ok bro do shall i wait like 2 hours after i took my nolva? Then take pct assist? Or does it matter lo?

 

[braveand]

The only reason why you preload cycle assist is for prevent blood pressure spike on cycle from blood pressure control supps..

Buy some hawthorn berry (cheaper), preload it for 2 weeks and save cycle assist for your cycle/pct.

Nolva 20/20/10/10 is all you need for pct and is the best test booster you can use..
Any other otc vodoo stuff is not mandatory.

In any case run your otc testbooster from 2nd week of pct or right after (from 5th week).

 

[Pika]

Oh ok bro thanks alot

 

[ELH]

The only reason why you preload cycle assist is for prevent blood pressure spike on cycle from blood pressure control supps..

Buy some hawthorn berry (cheaper), preload it for 2 weeks and save cycle assist for your cycle/pct.

Nolva 20/20/10/10 is all you need for pct and is the best test booster you can use..
Any other otc vodoo stuff is not mandatory.

In any case run your otc testbooster from 2nd week of pct or right after (from 5th week).

Hawthorn berry is exactly what I plan on preloading with instead of my cycle support. I will also be preloading with milk thistle for 2 weeks. I figured it would save me some money and still be effective in the long run.

btw do you train Gi or no Gi BJJ?