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Nobody is going to sell you 5g.
so 100g is the usual minimum? damn i could make like what 500ml?
Kind of pissed because i went to a lot of effort to take pictures - one in each phase of the process. I can't download a single one of them. Dry weight was 4.48 minus filter of .94 and i'm assuming .15 or so will be stuck to the filter if i pour the crystals out so i'm thinking something like a yield of 3.41. not as good as i have done before but it's been a while.
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If you add water dropwise in a fridge like with the syno conversion youll get bigger crystals.
I HAD a soursce that sold in 10g packs. it was great. I could get 30g of test c for a good price. Most orals even anadrol you can get 2 or 3 cycles out of 10g. and nolvadex will last you a long time at 10g. depends on what you run. Now on the other hand if your running 1g or more a week of something(test c) itll go pretty fast. i love 10g packs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I jsut ordered 3 carts... should i take pics when i do my conversion???????????????
componant T or finaplix?
That's definitely true man, however i don't see the point in going through the whole home brewing process just to get 2 vials of test. Might as well go for 5 or 10.
absolutely, but who wants 100g of finasteride or nolvadex. I get 40ml test cyp at 250mg/ml from 10 grams of powder. I would order 30g of test at a time. Now that im getting bigger and more hungry!!!!!!!!!! I need 100g packs!!!!!!!!!!lol
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still can't download pics, invalid file...
Oh yea, i have a 500ml plastic container with a screw on lid. I have 3 tiny holes (about 27guage) poked in the lid. It has a hole drilled in the ass end of it (you know what kind of contraption i'm talking about i'm sure i just don't know what you would call it. Anyway i freeze distilled inside of it to a sludge and throw it in the freezer. takes about 2.5 hours to fill 3 carts so 1.7 hrs for 2 carts i guess. Then i let it sit in fridge for like 4-6 more hours. I do it almost exactly the same way minus the estro/naoh stuff. but i let it drip longer, let it sit longer in the fridge, lamp and air dry, spray wash, i'm sure there are a few other things but it's basically the same thing. With Syno i get needle like test crystals. with tren it's definitely crystals, i mean the stuff shines like gold but they aren't as big. (sorry i took so much room to say nothing really....lol)
still can't download pics, invalid file...
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Yea if your doing the crystal thing, and remember to take pics of your final filter once dried. If your doing it right not much will get caught in the filter, it will look totally white. I bet the people who are averaging less than 3 g's have a filter (the filter the wash goes through) that has a dingy yellow color. I use to loose .3-.5 g's to the filter the wash water went through.
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Has anyone ever bought Tren Ace from a supplier that (powder i mean) wasn't in powder form, but looked like the crystals you extract from Component-TH/Finiplix-H.? The shit i have bought, from more than one source, has always been a powder. When i do the Methyl alcohol extraction it's always beautiful crystals that barely leave a cloud once i melt it into the oil (unless i burn it...have done that before). I'm just gonna pay for pellets and take the time to do it myself and have it ONLY for me. I have gotten sub par shit (mabe it's just me, mabe the quality is the same. It certainly doesn't look as nice)
When you recrystallize something you will ALWAYS get crystals, if you don't you fucked it all up and stuff just precipitated your compound, which means that impurities are trapped inside. Crystals can become powder however after you grind them or just after being mailed internationally.
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Bro i have NEVER gotten more than 2.5-2.8 from Finaplix cart. NEVER...i don't know why but the pellets seem to not break down, no matter how long i let them sit (swirling them every 5 minutes) Component-TH on the other hand break down to what looks like micronized powder within like 30 minutes. I use to get 3.4-3.6 every time with those. I crush the shit out of the pellets regarless of what brand it just seems like the binders in Finaplix don't dissolve as readily.
Bro i have NEVER gotten more than 2.5-2.8 from Finaplix cart. NEVER...i don't know why but the pellets seem to not break down, no matter how long i let them sit (swirling them every 5 minutes) Component-TH on the other hand break down to what looks like micronized powder within like 30 minutes. I use to get 3.4-3.6 every time with those. I crush the shit out of the pellets regarless of what brand it just seems like the binders in Finaplix don't dissolve as readily.
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I see...It just seems like there would be some shine to it. Even if it had been compressed. And yes anytime i did a pellet conversion i ended up with crystals. Although, i must say when i did Syno conversions it dryed looking like micro-thin needles that were interwoven, and had no glisten like the Tren. I'm gonna pull this shit out of a vacuum seal and take a picture with my wifes phone and see if i can send it to you. Mabe it was my phone for some reason. I'd like to get your take on it. I'll put them side by side. Now i'll tell you this my fluffed up crystals(not to fluffed anymore i guess cause they have been in an air tight seal for over 24hours) take up more room/gram than the powder by far. So obviously the density it much higher, probably for the reasons your stated.
That's the problem - do not shake your liquid after the crystallization has begun. Let it sit there for 30 mins, then transfer it to an ice bath with salt in 3:1 ratio, if you want you can also put it in the fridge when it is in ice bath to minimize the melting of ice. The longer you let it crystallize under cold and undisturbed condition the higher your yield will be. You can also recrystallize the liquid second time by putting it in ice bath once again and scratching the wall of the glass container, this usually induces crystallization if you have appreciable amount of compound in the solution.
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Yea, i don't mess with it while they are growing. I guess my grammar kind of sucks, i swirl it while the methyl alcohol is breaking the pellets down. You get more than 3 from finaplix-H carts'? Your good, really good, if you can break the 3 gram mark with fina carts.
Never done tren conversions myself. I have done many recrystallization experiments in the lab however, so I have some experience when it comes to getting good yields.
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I'm at more of a grade school level...the clue for me to leave it alone while i was growing the crystals came from those synthetic gemstones i used to grow when i was a kid. You had to leave them alone when the chemical process started to take place. LOL I thought you were a chemist!! So tell me something does the longer ester make crystallization quicker (prop vs acetate)? I'm not challenging you here, i have very, very little academic chemistry under my belt. I hope you can answer that. Also, if i was unsure of the quality of a product i had, and i dissolved it in methyl alcohol and precipitated the crystals back out and washed it (obviously i would wash it) would i be cleaning it ...in a way?
I'm at more of a grade school level...the clue for me to leave it alone while i was growing the crystals came from those synthetic gemstones i used to grow when i was a kid. You had to leave them alone when the chemical process started to take place. LOL I thought you were a chemist!! So tell me something does the longer ester make crystallization quicker (prop vs acetate)? I'm not challenging you here, i have very, very little academic chemistry under my belt. I hope you can answer that. Also, if i was unsure of the quality of a product i had, and i dissolved it in methyl alcohol and precipitated the crystals back out and washed it (obviously i would wash it) would i be cleaning it ...in a way?
If you were to recrystallize it again with methanol you would lose some amount again, this is just how the process works. If you have crystals the first time around - your stuff is pretty much pure for home brewing purposes. I am not sure about the dependency of recrystallization time based on the weight of the molecule, my best guess would be no. This is because the formation of crystals is just the equilibrium that is reached between the molecules of the solvent (methanol) on the surface of the tiny crystals of your solute (tren). This is why you can try to induce the crystallization the second time around by scratching the sides of the glass beaker.
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I do see what your getting at. I know what a solvent is vs. a solute and i do know that you loose some when you recrystallize but what your saying about scratching the sides of the glass beaker is a little over my head. You did answer my questions though, and i appreciate it. For my purposes i was thinking if say i used a new supplier and wanted to check to see if i was sold an actual hormone i could mabe throw a couple grams in some methanol and precipitate it out. I know the simplest way to check to see if it is a particular hormone you melt it and check the temp it melts at. I think i was just over analyzing the whole thing.
Lol Does anyone have a recipe for 100 grams of test e? because if i buy it i would want to make it all at one time rather then storing the left over powder.
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These raw homones don't need solvents really, just an antimicrobial, hell EQ is liquid at room temp and decanoate will melt from a lamp
Testosterone Enanthate, Decanoate, EQ :
10 g Testosterone Enanthate, Decanoate or EQ
0.8 ml benzyl alcohol (2% BA)
31.2 ml oil
Syringes 3 cc & 5 cc or 10 cc
20 gauge needles
Mixing vial (or your prefered breaker)
Sterile Vial
Sterile syringe filter
1. Put 10 g of hormone into mixing vial or breaker .
2. Add 26.2 cc of oil and benzyl alcohol. (This will leave 5 cc for later)
3. Place it on stovetop (electric stove) or frying pan (gas stove) on medium high heat.
4. Swril and heat until solution is completely homogeneous and clear. Make sure do it until no hormone swirls, crystal or visible separation left.
5. Place 20 g needle in sterile vial and attach syringe filter.
6. Place another needle through stopper to release pressure.
7. Draw out hormone solution with 5 or 10 cc syringe and run it through the syringe filter until all solution is filtered.
8. Run the addition 5 cc of saved oil from the step 2 through syringe filter to purge.
Above info is for 10 g conversion. It should results in 40 ml - 250 mg/ml sterile solution for injection. As you can see the multiplier i use here is .8 because for these hormones a gram seems to take up .8mls of space...people were discussing multipliers for like 2 pages so i hope you were keeping up so as to know why your only using 32mls of fluid for 40 mls of juice.
You might get away with using 5 syringe filters but if your gonna do 500mls you should use the stericup method that brundel posted pics and instructions for. Get your supplies at researchsupply.net if you wanna save some money.
Bro there are some variations here i'm sure. Himik or Brundel can probably tell you where you would do a little adding or subtracting but for the most part you would do the same for 100g's as 10g's...you just multiply by 10 cause you doing 10x's as much...correct me here guys so this guy doesn't fuck up 100g's if i'm wrong
These raw homones don't need solvents really, just an antimicrobial, hell EQ is liquid at room temp and decanoate will melt from a lamp
Testosterone Enanthate, Decanoate, EQ :
10 g Testosterone Enanthate, Decanoate or EQ
0.8 ml benzyl alcohol (2% BA)
31.2 ml oil
Syringes 3 cc & 5 cc or 10 cc
20 gauge needles
Mixing vial (or your prefered breaker)
Sterile Vial
Sterile syringe filter
1. Put 10 g of hormone into mixing vial or breaker .
2. Add 26.2 cc of oil and benzyl alcohol. (This will leave 5 cc for later)
3. Place it on stovetop (electric stove) or frying pan (gas stove) on medium high heat.
4. Swril and heat until solution is completely homogeneous and clear. Make sure do it until no hormone swirls, crystal or visible separation left.
5. Place 20 g needle in sterile vial and attach syringe filter.
6. Place another needle through stopper to release pressure.
7. Draw out hormone solution with 5 or 10 cc syringe and run it through the syringe filter until all solution is filtered.
8. Run the addition 5 cc of saved oil from the step 2 through syringe filter to purge.
Above info is for 10 g conversion. It should results in 40 ml - 250 mg/ml sterile solution for injection. As you can see the multiplier i use here is .8 because for these hormones a gram seems to take up .8mls of space...people were discussing multipliers for like 2 pages so i hope you were keeping up so as to know why your only using 32mls of fluid for 40 mls of juice.
You might get away with using 5 syringe filters but if your gonna do 500mls you should use the stericup method that brundel posted pics and instructions for. Get your supplies at researchsupply.net if you wanna save some money.
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Scratching sides of the beaker produces tiny glass crystals, which tren particles can use to grow into crystals themselves. As for the testing purity, the best and easiest way is to mix 2 batches (one in question and one you know is pure) and check the mixed MP if it is within 5 degrees C of the literature value and MP range is 2.5 degrees C or less you are gtg. If it melts far below its MP you got bunk powder no ifs or buts.
You could also check the purity by TLC plates. If they end up on the same position on the paper they are the same compound. For this method you would need TLC plates, UV lamp, Diethyl Ether, Cyclohexanes and Dichloromethane. Here is the link to a good walkthrough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk99SjEqT00&feature=related
The whole setup would probably run you under 80$. That way you can test powders right away and know exactly what you are brewing, it would also tell you if you have just the hormone in there or other stuff mixed in as well to give it some volume.
