Fake breasts at beauty pageant...so..she's only 4..wha?

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[.V.]

And when the child makes the news in true JonBenet Ramsey fashion... the mother will lament and wonder "why her." Why her is blatantly obvious and the mother is part of the cause. The freaks that look at these babies in that way are the rest of the cause. But the mother shouldn't be putting her out there like this for them to get excited over.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

why have a beauty pageant for kids anyway??


THEY"RE KIDS! FUCK

 

[miaIron]

wow such bad parenting

 

[Curt James]

Fake breasts aged FOUR?

Beauty pageant mother sparks outrage by boosting her daughter's chest and bottom

Barely out of nappies, four-year-old Maddy Jackson is already on the road to womanhood.
Sporting fake C cup breasts and padding on her bottom, she is the latest shock contestant on Toddlers and Tiaras, the U.S. reality show revealing the surreal world of beauty pageants.

In an attempt to mimic her curvaceous icon, country singer Dolly Parton - who is known for her ample cleavage - the toddler is shown sporting detachable bust and butt enhancements, before performing live on stage.

With the extra padding concealed under her Barbie pink Lycra catsuit, Maddy's tiny frame is transformed into an hourglass silhouette.

Barely able to string a sentence together, many will be shocked by the images of the peroxide blonde trying to emulate the appearance of a woman in her late 20s.

Read more: Toddlers and Tiaras: Maddy Jackson's mother boosts daughter's chest and bottom | Mail Online

I was prepared to be sickened, outraged, and otherwise disgruntled and enraged over the abuse of a child, but...

This is no worse than dressing up for Halloween. Dolly Parton is no "woman in her late 20s" either. She's 65 years old.

From her Wiki page:

Dolly Rebecca Parton (born January 19, 1946[1]) is an American singer-songwriter, author, multi-instrumentalist, actress and philanthropist, best known for her work in country music. She is one of the most successful female country artists of all time, garnering the title of "The Queen of Country Music."

Okay, pretty creepy for adults to want to see anyone parade a baby around on a stage, but it's not -- in my opinon -- hurting the child at all.

How is it hurting the child? How is it different than playing dress up?

That said, there's certainly more to beauty than fake boobs and butts and peroxide hair.

 

[Curt James]

And when the child makes the news in true JonBenet Ramsey fashion... the mother will lament and wonder "why her." Why her is blatantly obvious and the mother is part of the cause. The freaks that look at these babies in that way are the rest of the cause. But the mother shouldn't be putting her out there like this for them to get excited over.

I suspect the freaks will be perverted scumbags regardless of anything.

And didn't JonBenet's own family kill her? Has that never been proven? I know there have been accusations.

A woman I know commented recently that women who dress a certain way are "asking for it" and shouldn't be surprised by rape attempts. I've heard feminists argue the counterpoint -- that women should be able to dress anyway they choose. Law enforcement is who should be concerned by criminals and not the women in miniskirts or push-up bras.

Not sure where I fall in that argument. Certainly a nude woman is more of a sexual target than a woman in a baggy sweatsuit and a bag over her head.

But as long as this mother doesn't have her child wearing this costume to school, church, or the mall then I don't see the harm. As long as the parents are providing for her safety as any other child would receive from loving parents, again, I don't see the harm.

Would I do that to my niece? Hell no. But I'm not a monster Dolly Parton fan either.

 

[DOMS]

This is no worse than dressing up for Halloween. Dolly Parton is no "woman in her late 20s" either. She's 65 years old.

Okay, pretty creepy for adults to want to see anyone parade a baby around on a stage, but it's not -- in my opinon -- hurting the child at all.

How is it hurting the child? How is it different than playing dress up?

That said, there's certainly more to beauty than fake boobs and butts and peroxide hair.

Dolly Parton was a sex symbol. By that logic, it's also okay to put the kid in a dominatrix outfit if her idol was Madonna.

 

[dogsoldier]

Jeezus fucking christ, why can't these loosesrs just let their kids be kids? I agree with the OP who said these parents need to be punched in the face. And the fucking organizers need to be punched in the throat.

Messing with little kids gets me all pissed off and wanting to hurt somebody.

 

[Curt James]

Had to Google.

Do kiddie beauty pageants border on child abuse?

By AJC Opinion
March 13, 2009

Commentary by Andrea Cornell Sarvady

Barbie just celebrated her 50th birthday and still the debate rages on among concerned moms: harmless doll or body image bruiser? Barbie???s one thing, but I can???t imagine why there???s any debate over glitzy kiddie beauty pageants. They???re just plain bad for girls.

Many of us were first exposed to this subculture when images of pageant princess JonBenet Ramsey inundated television following her 1996 slaying, images that Dan Rather referred to as ???kiddie porn.??? That???s a fair assessment. None of the parents involved in this world intend to make their pretty babies fodder for the photo and video collections of pedophiles, of course. Yet that???s the result when they take fresh-faced children and publicly make them up into Hollywood starlets. Seven-year-old legs are shaved for more even, fake tans, preschoolers are fitted for hair extensions and false eyelashes, even fake teeth are put in to mask missing baby teeth.

Got nausea?

Sure, there???s ???natural??? pageants too, filled with plain-faced kids sporting off-the-rack togs. Yet that???s not what inspired the documentary ???Toddlers and Tiaras,??? so successful that it morphed into a reality show on TLC. With over 100,000 competing annually in what some estimate to be a $5 billion industry, this twisted subculture is going mainstream faster than you can say ???Little Miss Sunshine.???

I???m sick of excuses for this exploitative trend ??? that it builds self-esteem, that little girls want to partake in these excessive and arduous productions. What builds self-esteem is true competence, what little girls want is to feel special and receive a lot of attention from their parents. Surely, there???s healthier ways to achieve those aims.

The economy is a disaster, but at least it may help kill off this exorbitantly expensive ???hobby.??? Then maybe all the fabulous costumes and shoes and accessories owned by these families can stay where they belong ??? in the dress-up drawer at home.

Like many moms, I???ve got a drawer full of Barbies and a chest full of costumes, along with the belief that little girls have the right to play at starlet or princess to their hearts??? desire. Yet it should be their heart, their desire, that calls the shots. Grownups? Keep out of it, if you know what???s good for your kids.

Do kiddie beauty pageants border on child abuse?

Rebuttal by Shaunti Feldhahn

No offense to my column counterpart, but give me a break! Last summer, wasn???t Andy the one in favor of decriminalizing prostitution, the ultimate in exploitation? Kiddie pageants are a competition, not a cruelty.

Yes, beauty pageants for children can go to excessive, damaging lengths ??? but so can any competitive endeavor! At a recent speaking engagement I watched two little girls run up and beg their mom (my event organizer) to be allowed to start their daily cheerleading practice. Turns out, they are on an intensively competitive ???mini-cheerleading??? team that has made it to the state and national levels.

They practice multiple hours a day, have little time for any other endeavor ??? and love it. I???m sure ???cheerleading parents??? can be accused of excess, too ??? but does that mean it is child abuse?

What about competitive league youth baseball? Soccer? I know one family whose talented young boys played two hours of tennis a day. Abuse?

Knowing these boys, it would have been closer to abuse if their parents had reacted out of fear of excess and had denied them the competition they craved.

Now, obviously, just because a child craves something doesn???t mean it is good for them! But it doesn???t mean it is necessarily bad for them either. Each parent must know their own child, watch for the ramifications of any endeavor, and be willing to make the decisions that are best for the child and family.

For example, one concern with any pageant is an overemphasis on appearance ??? and cheerleading has a similar issue. So the mom I mentioned kept a lookout, but didn???t see that issue with her particular girls. Instead, she said, they were mostly learning lessons she valued: about grace under pressure, having fun even in a competition, and how to win and lose well.

If a child isn???t learning the right lessons and isn???t handling it well, then the parent would make a different decision. But make it based on fact, not fear.
I personally don???t understand the appeal of kiddie pageants, but a good parent will use whatever their child is interested in to bring out the good lessons. And if that is what a ???pageant parent??? is doing, they shouldn???t be criticized for it.

From Do kiddie beauty pageants border on child abuse? | Woman to Woman

 

[LAM]

Beauty Pageant moms are psychotic, and they all need to be punched in the face for the emotional damage they do to their children.

I am firmly against violence on women but in this case, the line forms behind me..

 

[Captn'stabbin]

add that to the damaged pile...

 

[Curt James]

Dolly Parton was a sex symbol. By that logic, it's also okay to put the kid in a dominatrix outfit if her idol was Madonna.

Not for everyone.

And Madonna and her cones...

are nowhere near the same as emulating the general appearance of a musical hero.

Elvis and his jumpsuit, sunglasses, and sideburns.

If it was Madonna then she'd more likely be dressed up like the Material Girl than a dominatrix.

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[Curt James]

I am firmly against violence on women but in this case, the line forms behind me..

Then I assume you're ready to put a whoopin on Shawn Ray, father of then five-year-old Asia Monet Ray?

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[DOMS]

Then I assume you're ready to put a whoopin on Shawn Ray, father of then five-year-old Asia Monet Ray?

Dressing your 5 year old daughter up like a whore isn't appropriate, either.

 

[Curt James]

lol

The choreography would be considered sexualized by many people as well as the makeup and costume, but her parents and Lonnie Teper -- I'm guessing -- deem it appropriate for an athletic dance routine.

Where do you draw the line?

Is it possible that people put their own insecurities or fears into the equation?

Would you say it's appropriate if the Ray child was dressed in a different costume?

Or going back to the original post, would it have been appropriate for the four-year-old to dress up like another singer, say, Ethel Merman?

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Is the entertainer safe if they're not sexually appealing to you?

 

[DOMS]

lol

The choreography would be considered sexualized by many people as well as the makeup and costume, but her parents and Lonnie Teper -- I'm guessing -- deem it appropriate for an athletic dance routine.

Where do you draw the line?

Is it possible that people put their own insecurities or fears into the equation?

Would you say it's appropriate if the Ray child was dressed in a different costume?

Or going back to the original post, would it have been appropriate for the four-year-old to dress up like another singer, say, Ethel Merman?

I'm not projecting anything, though others might.

Prepubescent children should not be dressed in sexually provocative clothing. They simply don't have the hormones to want to do that on their own. If they're doing it, it's because an adult had them do it or they're copying adults who do have that drive and the kid's parents haven't explained sexuality, both physical and psychological, to them.

Now, when they do reach puberty, they should have more leeway to express themselves. Especially since sex and sexual desires are now a part of who they are. Of course, good parents will teach their children the difference between dressing like a whore and correctly displaying their sexuality.

Some parents go to the other extreme and squash any display of sexuality from their children. Which also leads to pretty messed up kids.

Ray's kid would have been fine if she was in a modest outfit and not pelvic-thrusting. And good taste would have them tone down the clown makeup.

 

[Noheawaiian]

Fucking hell. Doing this to your OWN body is one thing, but doing it to your child (with or without their consent) is just sick. These fat bitches that call themselves "mothers" need to stop trying to live their lives through their daughters, and hang themselves if they can't.

 

[LAM]

Then I assume you're ready to put a whoopin on Shawn Ray, father of then five-year-old Asia Monet Ray?

yep...anyone that abuses children gets some. as i have always told my friends there is always something that somebody can do that warrants them getting their ass kicked...nobody is above the beat down

 

[Curt James]

yep...anyone that abuses children gets some. as i have always told my friends there is always something that somebody can do that warrants them getting their ass kicked...nobody is above the beat down

Agreed 100%, but what impact would that have on GDP?

 

[Curt James]

Ray's kid would have been fine if she was in a modest outfit and not pelvic-thrusting. And good taste would have them tone down the clown makeup.

These are really ambiguous terms, unfortunately. You'd be amazed at what some parents obviously consider modest or in good taste and then purchase for their children to wear.

Aren't you projecting if you put your own values and standards on another person?

Back to the child, at age four nothing is sexualized. It's just a costume like any other costume or item of clothing her mother puts her in. What does a four-year-old know for sexuality? Again, would I do it? Doubtful. But I'm not going to judge the mother until I know whether she's well adjusted or a psycho killer.

Maybe she's just a Dolly Parton fan who made a poor judgement call. Or maybe she's as many here have described or guessed -- a failure at life who is vicariously achieving some level of satisfaction by abusing her child with sexually charged outfits.

 

[IronAddict]

Little girls grow up with an inferiority complex caused by the crap they see on T.V. and in mags. and by boys on the playground. Then by the time they're adults, they're all screwed up. We all know & met some of these women.

It's only fair in my opinion, that their own mothers give them a headstart on this complex as toddlers!?

 

[DOMS]

These are really ambiguous terms, unfortunately. You'd be amazed at what some parents obviously consider modest or in good taste and then purchase for their children to wear.

No navel, cover the ass cheeks, no part of the chest uncovered, and at least 75% of the body covered. How's that?

It's pretty sad that I need to quantify basic decency for a child.

Aren't you projecting if you put your own values and standards on another person?

I assumed you were talking from a religious standpoint.

Back to the child, at age four nothing is sexualized.

Pedophiles and I'm-living-through-my-child mothers would disagree.

What does a four-year-old know for sexuality?

Nothing. Which is why she wouldn't have asking to put on fake tits and a fake ass. Which is covered in my last post.

 

[Curt James]

No navel, cover the ass cheeks, no part of the chest uncovered, and at least 75% of the body covered. How's that?

It's pretty sad that I need to quantify basic decency for a child.

Have you been to the beach or the pool this year? And how does "75% of the body covered" work for gymnastics?

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I assumed you were talking from a religious standpoint.

Pedophiles and I'm-living-through-my-child mothers would disagree.

Are you also assuming that "I'm-living-through-my-child mothers" dress their children up as Dolly Parton to make those kids appear sexy? Perhaps the mother was attempting exactly what the article stated, "In an attempt to mimic her curvaceous icon, country singer Dolly Parton".

Do you believe the mother selected Dolly Parton and her "ample cleavage" to tantalize the judges?

Nothing. Which is why she wouldn't have asked to put on fake tits and a fake ass. Which is covered in my last post.

Where does it state the child asked to wear that costume?

 

[DOMS]

Have you been to the beach or the pool this year?

Putting a prepubescent girl in a bikini falls into the same category. Also, playing in water and sand isn't the same as a beauty pageant for 4 year olds.

And how does "75% of the body covered" work for gymnastics?

They're generally covered except for legs, arms, and heads. What was your point with this.

Are you also assuming that "I'm-living-through-my-child mothers" dress their children up as Dolly Parton to make those kids appear sexy? Perhaps the mother was attempting exactly what the article stated, "In an attempt to mimic her curvaceous icon, country singer Dolly Parton".

Do you believe the mother selected Dolly Parton and her "ample cleavage" to tantalize the judges?

It could be either, but you've apparently never run into a parent that likes to live vicariously though their children. Or the desire for their kids to "win."

Where does it state the child asked to wear that costume?

You're not really reading my posts, are you?

 

[Curt James]

Putting a prepubescent girl in a bikini falls into the same category.

So babies must wear one-piece suits? lol

Also, playing in water and sand isn't the same as a beauty pageant for 4 year olds.

How does it differ? The four-year-old has fun at the beach and I'm going to assume they're enjoying their time on stage as well.

And so far as pedophiles are concerned, what, they're not at the beach? I'm going to guess that there are more pedos at the beach than at pageants. Again, it's a parent's job to keep their children safe whether they're at the beach or participating in an organized activity, but hiding the child or forcing them to wear an "appropriate" uniform doesn't seem to be the best way to ensure that safety.

They're generally covered except for legs, arms, and heads. What was your point with this.

A gymnast's torso constitutes 75% of their body? No. Your recommendation or directive for someone like Asia Monet Ray to cover 75% of her body is unattainable if not unreasonable and would be considered unusual at best for gymnastics.

It could be either, but you've apparently never run into a parent that likes to live vicariously though their children. Or the desire for their kids to "win."

You seem to be judging the parent's motive without having ever talked with the person. And, trust me, I run into my share of parents.

You're not really reading my posts, are you?

 

[Arnold]

 

[DOMS]

How does it differ? The four-year-old has fun at the beach and I'm going to assume they're enjoying their time on stage as well.

And so far as pedophiles are concerned, what, they're not at the beach? I'm going to guess that there are more pedos at the beach than at pageants. Again, it's a parent's job to keep their children safe whether they're at the beach or participating in an organized activity, but hiding the child or forcing them to wear an "appropriate" uniform doesn't seem to be the best way to ensure that safety.

Fine, you think that dressing up a toddler as Dolly Parton, a big tittied woman, is okay.

I'm sure the toddler was a big fan.

That's awesome.

A gymnast's torso constitutes 75% of their body? No. Your recommendation or directive for someone like Asia Monet Ray to cover 75% of her body is unattainable if not unreasonable and would be considered unusual at best for gymnastics.

Okay, the torso constitutes 50% of the body. My point still stands.

 

[min0 lee]

No lipstick, no eyeliner god forbid fake boobs on my 4 year old girl.
No earrings nor tattoos on my 4 year old boy.

To each his own.

 

[ScottyMac710]

the "Toddlers in Tiaras" attitude and practice of ingraining superficial values in young children is the same attitude and problem with our society that gets us to the point of having shows like "teen mom" and over-sexualized girls at younger and younger ages. It's sad and, to me - pretty disgusting to see.

As an older brother to a mature, smart, and overall conservative younger sister I can't begin to explain how thankful I am that my parents, my brothers, and I have always been very supportive of my sister and never put emphasis on looks or appearance over quality of character, personality, and morals. I'm incredibly proud of the way that my sister handles herself and she is at an age where she has boyfriends on and off, some of her friends are the type to put too much emphasis on their looks and the way they dress, but she is very down-to-earth and is realistic about the strive to be presentable and enjoys looking good, but it's clear that she has much more realistic and less superficial priorities than many girls her age.

what these parents are doing is going to give these girls the idea that they need to be 'prettied up', look a certain way, be a certain weight, and impress people with their looks rather than who they are. These types of values and self image problems are generally the things that will lead to eating disorders, skewed self-image, low self esteem. They are not doing their children any favors.

 

[MyK]

these mothers are doing an excellent job