Superdrol,Andromass,M1t,Pheraplex for AAS Kickstarts

[kelsey_sean]

I have a bottle of Ultradrol, have a liver support and PCT lined up. How should I run this bottle, i was hoping 3 weeks but at what dosage? Any opinions?

 

[btex34n88]

Phera is my favorite oral steroid, SD makes me feel like death, M1T was great as well, but I had single digit HDL numbers to thank for it. I haven't ran AM yet, but considering the low sides it seems like a great choice.

I agree with you, back in my ph days phera was my favorite, i felt excellent on it and made great gains! I took m1t and it murdered my sex drive, would never take again

 

[Rodja]

I have a bottle of Ultradrol, have a liver support and PCT lined up. How should I run this bottle, i was hoping 3 weeks but at what dosage? Any opinions?

8mg was plenty for me.

 

[beautifulpeople]

I have a bottle of Ultradrol, have a liver support and PCT lined up. How should I run this bottle, i was hoping 3 weeks but at what dosage? Any opinions?

We don't have enough anecdotal data on it yet, but people seem to think 12mg is the sweet spot. 8 seems to be sufficient. I'd suggest 8 in week 1, 12 in week 2, and see how you're feeling at that point. I wouldn't discourage 16mg for an experienced user with several DS runs under his belt, strong support supps, AND who is getting bloods done. I'm kickstarting a Test/NPP with 12/16/16 UD and feeling pretty damn great.

 

[kelsey_sean]

We don't have enough anecdotal data on it yet, but people seem to think 12mg is the sweet spot. 8 seems to be sufficient. I'd suggest 8 in week 1, 12 in week 2, and see how you're feeling at that point. I wouldn't discourage 16mg for an experienced user with several DS runs under his belt, strong support supps, AND who is getting bloods done. I'm kickstarting a Test/NPP with 12/16/16 UD and feeling pretty damn great.

So what your sayin is run a 2 week cycle.. see where I'm at?
I liked SD, did really well for me, ran that on 3 week but didnt keep much of my gains on PCT unfortunately. from what I've read, it is easier to keep the results produced from UD after cycle. I'm not a big fan of Epistane, so I stopped taking that. thanks for the advice.

 

[Rodja]

From some of the bloodwork that I've seen, NAC, silymarin, and TUDCA are needed for it.

 

[gearin up]

As much as I love 'Var, I wouldn't choose it as a kickstart.

I have kickstarted and finished with var. I guess it depnds on what youre looking for. Var gave me almost instant strength gains and a couple of pounds while I waited on the test e to bring the big muscle and It helped with that bloaty look through bulk. On advice I tried dbol on my next test cycle and it worked fine never looked quite as good through first part of my cycle til I closed with tbol (whos effects remind me a lot of var) Now my third I am back to var. If it aint broke.... I guess its a matter of preference.

 

[ryansm]

We don't have enough anecdotal data on it yet, but people seem to think 12mg is the sweet spot. 8 seems to be sufficient. I'd suggest 8 in week 1, 12 in week 2, and see how you're feeling at that point. I wouldn't discourage 16mg for an experienced user with several DS runs under his belt, strong support supps, AND who is getting bloods done. I'm kickstarting a Test/NPP with 12/16/16 UD and feeling pretty damn great.

I ran it up to 16 and had to drop back down to 12. I think 8 will be plenty for most.

 

[beautifulpeople]

I ran it up to 16 and had to drop back down to 12. I think 8 will be plenty for most.

Did you, Ryan? What do you day the noticeable differences were between 12 and 16? Yesterday was my first day at 16, but it was an off-training day. I should get a better impression of it today. Was yours the PHF log?

 

[HereToStudy]

Did you, Ryan? What do you day the noticeable differences were between 12 and 16? Yesterday was my first day at 16, but it was an off-training day. I should get a better impression of it today. Was yours the PHF log?

He had one on AM for sure, not sure if PHF as well. I followed along and believe he mentioned increased night sweats from 16mg dose.

 

[fit4life]

was going to try a run at superdrol is this compound a steroid or prohormone, is it more effective then d-ball (pinkies)? Thank You in advance. I have used anadrol 50mgs many times. do they make androl at 100mgs and call it superdrol?

 

[longworthb]

it is a ph. I got me some prostanivar today which is 15 SD and 25 hdrol I'm going to run with my test e cycle to get things going. its drier gains then dbol so I guess its prefference.

 

[fit4life]

thanks for reply longworthb, superdrol is 3x's stronger than masteron hits hard and fast great for kick starting cycles. its a synthetic designer steroid. But has harsh side effects. I read up on it from a primordial performance. Never tried Superdrol.

 

[fit4life]

anyone help me with some reps please,lol?

 

[heckler7]

thanks for reply longworthb, superdrol is 3x's stronger than masteron hits hard and fast great for kick starting cycles. its a synthetic designer steroid. But has harsh side effects. I read up on it from a primordial performance. Never tried Superdrol.

PP's SD was some strong stuff very hard to keep the gains tho.

 

[HereToStudy]

PP's SD was some strong stuff very hard to keep the gains tho.

This seems to be a characteristic common with SD users. It would best be run as a kicker for something longer, such as our AndroMass product or test.

 

[Ezskanken]

This seems to be a characteristic common with SD users. It would best be run as a kicker for something longer, such as our AndroMass product or test.

Don't mean to jack your thread BBG, but with what's said above...is it better to run the the more toxic ph at a lower dose (superdrone) before a less toxic one (turinabol) at full dose, or vis versa?

 

[ryansm]

Did you, Ryan? What do you day the noticeable differences were between 12 and 16? Yesterday was my first day at 16, but it was an off-training day. I should get a better impression of it today. Was yours the PHF log?

I was over stimulated at 16mgs, couldn't sleep and my BP spiked a bit

 

[ryansm]

Don't mean to jack your thread BBG, but with what's said above...is it better to run the the more toxic ph at a lower dose (superdrone) before a less toxic one (turinabol) at full dose, or vis versa?

My bloods on SD were bad even at 10mgs, my recommendation is to go with something non-methylated for longer periods. Something like AndroMass over an 8 week period in which people report 12+ pounds gained.

 

[Ezskanken]

My bloods on SD were bad even at 10mgs, my recommendation is to go with something non-methylated for longer periods. Something like AndroMass over an 8 week period in which people report 12+ pounds gained.

Thanks man. I just a thread where a guy bridged the two both at low doses. He never finished the log so I don't know what happened after he finished if he did. When I run the sd it will be at 10 mgs as well stacked with Dermacrine LV and n2gaurd along with liver juice while on. PP TRS pct will follow. Thanks again for the reply with your experience on sd. I don't think I will be kick starting sd with tbol any time soon or ever...

 

[HereToStudy]

Thanks man. I just a thread where a guy bridged the two both at low doses. He never finished the log so I don't know what happened after he finished if he did. When I run the sd it will be at 10 mgs as well stacked with Dermacrine LV and n2gaurd along with liver juice while on. PP TRS pct will follow. Thanks again for the reply with your experience on sd. I don't think I will be kick starting sd with tbol any time soon or ever...

Yeah, the only time I am a fan of multiple methyls is when they are separated with a good amount of time in between when running a longer non-methylated or injectable cycle.

 

[ryansm]

Thanks man. I just a thread where a guy bridged the two both at low doses. He never finished the log so I don't know what happened after he finished if he did. When I run the sd it will be at 10 mgs as well stacked with Dermacrine LV and n2gaurd along with liver juice while on. PP TRS pct will follow. Thanks again for the reply with your experience on sd. I don't think I will be kick starting sd with tbol any time soon or ever...

No problem bud, I always get bloods and I think people would be surprised at just how toxic these orals can be.

 

[HereToStudy]

No problem bud, I always get bloods and I think people would be surprised at just how toxic these orals can be.

Yep, even some of the ones touted as "mild". It is why one must know the compound they are considering using, and make sure to monitor health.

 

[djm6464]

I have kickstarted and finished with var. I guess it depnds on what youre looking for. Var gave me almost instant strength gains and a couple of pounds while I waited on the test e to bring the big muscle and It helped with that bloaty look through bulk. On advice I tried dbol on my next test cycle and it worked fine never looked quite as good through first part of my cycle til I closed with tbol (whos effects remind me a lot of var) Now my third I am back to var. If it aint broke.... I guess its a matter of preference.

im with you.....var or tbol to open and close....i prefer my gains nice and lean/hard.....strength will come anyway

of those original options....never did phera, wont ever sd, liked m1t but that was years ago, n didnt do bloods.....meh i guess andromass by default, altho it sounds more like a eq type compound in effects

 

[HereToStudy]

im with you.....var or tbol to open and close....i prefer my gains nice and lean/hard.....strength will come anyway

of those original options....never did phera, wont ever sd, liked m1t but that was years ago, n didnt do bloods.....meh i guess andromass by default, altho it sounds more like a eq type compound in effects

tbol was alright for me, although I ran it way too low. Very much looking forward to the var next time, especially with balls to the wall dosing of it.

 

[Rodja]

tbol was alright for me, although I ran it way too low. Very much looking forward to the var next time, especially with balls to the wall dosing of it.

Bring your checkbook for it (unless you can get powder).

 

[ryansm]

im with you.....var or tbol to open and close....i prefer my gains nice and lean/hard.....strength will come anyway

of those original options....never did phera, wont ever sd, liked m1t but that was years ago, n didnt do bloods.....meh i guess andromass by default, altho it sounds more like a eq type compound in effects

The new AndroMass will be a different animal

 

[HereToStudy]

Bring your checkbook for it (unless you can get powder).

It just might be sitting in my closet waiting for me already....

 

[Rodja]

It just might be sitting in my closet waiting for me already....

 

[HereToStudy]

Thats my expression every time I open the closet