Creatine for football

[eaglesfan!]

I am training to play runningback and i am 16 years old, 5'9 145 pounds and i decided to try creatine. will creatine help me increase size, strength and speed? or will it make me a slower runner, fatter, weaker give me kidney and liver problems and stretch my skin? give me your opinions on creatine.

 

[returnofthdragon]

Great stuff, drink lots of water. Basically it helps you recover faster between sets, so you get more work done. More work = bigger, faster, stronger.

 

[TJTJ]

Dude...I dont think you should touch any supplements. At 16 youre body is still growing and why the hell are you on this site?!

You need to build a solid foundation for your body naturally. You get all the creatine you need from the meats you eat anyways. Fuck supplements. Not even energy drinks, dude.

You should be focusing on WOs that strengthen your natural genetic capabilities. I wasnt the fastest but I sure was the slickest. I could juke and slip out of anyones hands. It pissed everyone off, haha! I had the ability to read my opponents moves somehow.

BTW, whos is your favorite running back?

 

[oufinny]

Dude...I dont think you should touch any supplements. At 16 youre body is still growing and why the hell are you on this site?!

You need to build a solid foundation for your body naturally. You get all the creatine you need from the meats you eat anyways. Fuck supplements. Not even energy drinks, dude.

You should be focusing on WOs that strengthen your natural genetic capabilities. I wasnt the fastest but I sure was the slickest. I could juke and slip out of anyones hands. It pissed everyone off, haha! I had the ability to read my opponents moves somehow.

BTW, whos is your favorite running back?

Disregard this. Creatine is the most studied and safest supplement on the planet. You will respond well just don't get crazy with it, all you need from creatine mono is 3-5 grams a day, no more. I would split the dose to morning and pre-workout or just throw it all in a protein shake.

 

[returnofthdragon]

Disregard this. Creatine is the most studied and safest supplement on the planet. You will respond well just don't get crazy with it, all you need from creatine mono is 3-5 grams a day, no more. I would split the dose to morning and pre-workout or just throw it all in a protein shake.

X2

Don't worry about loading. 5 grams 5 times a day is wasteful. I would just stick to monohydrate... most of the rest is little more than koolaide.

 

[eaglesfan!]

are there anys negatives?

 

[ForgeFit]

oufinny is totally correct, Creatine Monohydrate is the safest supplement (and most effective) that there is for increasing muscle power in repeated bouts of exercise like sprinting and lifting weights...it's been proven effective over and over again. It also causes lean muscle gains quite quickly (especially if you load) although some of these initial gains may be water.

If you want fast results (in 5 days) then load - 5 grams, 4 times per day. If you take 5 grams per day and don't load, it will take about 30 days for the full effects to occur. Some studies show that something like 3 grams twice daily could be more effective and take it with a meal that is high in carbs or take it with a carb shake after or just before training. Better still have a whey protein + carb + creatine shake. Carbs increase insulin, which increases creatine uptake. You can get one of the fancy supplements like Cell-Tech, which works very well for fast gains but it is expensive.

...and finally, no, taking creatine with a meal or whey protein or amino acids won't interfere with absorption of the creatine and no, other forms of creatine do not work better and in some instances have been proven in studies to be "less" effective (but more expensive)...so stick to monohydrate!

 

[enhancedmood]

I really like football, can I workout with you?

 

[TJTJ]

right at 16, just take a shit load of supps and forget your training. good call.

I didnt say anything about its safety. its safe. no doubt. btw, I would watch your hydration. On the field you know how much you sweat. It can both dehydrate and cause bloat. Make sure your body is balanced with electrolytes.

And investigate a different form of Creatine. http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/s...ure-taking-100-crap-what-your-body-wants.html

All creatine really does is help produce ATP. ATP is energy the entire body uses for EVERYTHING. Its 3 parts phosphorous. This is why I have found, and others too, that Creatine-Glycerol-Phosphate is superior to CrM.

These lugs will stick to CrM but I know how the body works on the molecular level.

Also do some research on Krebs cycle and glycolysis with its association with creatine and ATP. Then figure is football aerobic or anaerobic? Then youll see if the excess creatine is necessary.

Greatness starts with the mind. If you dont believe it, who will? Dont be a placebo

 

[eaglesfan!]

Do Nfl players take creatine do you think?

 

[oufinny]

Do Nfl players take creatine do you think?

Do you eat meat? Do they eat meat? The answer is more than likely yes. I really don't care what TJ says. I took creatine in HS when I was a national level swimmer, it for damn sure helped and it did nothing in place of training. Did he say he was going to stop training?

TJ - You may have some knowledge but all you are doing is forcing some abstract opinion on an impressionable young mind. Give it a rest, your argument is weak at best.

OP - Monohydrate or magnesium creatine chelate are both great options and at your age, taking it with some juice to help absorption is a fine idea as the carbs won't make a difference. Best of luck with your training and make sure you are eating big and get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight.

 

[TJTJ]

Do Nfl players take creatine do you think?

I dont know. I would think at such a professional level they dont need it. They already have what it takes to be great through years of training and coaching . And its just a waste of money imo. dude, youre 16. work on yout talents then maybe when your 18ish you can work on development.

Now is the time to develop your gifts. I understand you want an edge but imo work with you coach on your training. You body already has everything it needs to excel.

And you still havent told me your favorite RB

 

[TJTJ]

The Dreadlock Demon!

 

[eaglesfan!]

MJD because hes such a tree stump or lesean mcCoy because he's a good receiver

 

[bjg]

I dont know. I would think at such a professional level they dont need it. They already have what it takes to be great through years of training and coaching . And its just a waste of money imo. dude, youre 16. work on yout talents then maybe when your 18ish you can work on development.

Now is the time to develop your gifts. I understand you want an edge but imo work with you coach on your training. You body already has everything it needs to excel.

And you still havent told me your favorite RB

i agree at 16 you should not even take any supplements at all, with a proper diet not even vitamins will help, more is not better, is it going to hurt ? probably not in the short run but in the long run it might just mess up your stomach your kidney your liver, any powder supplements will represent such risks, from all supplements for you i probably only recommend fish oil taken without excess.
as for those recommending you creatine i want to see them giving their children creatine at 16, i am talking to you as a parent, my son is 18 if creatine was such a good thing i would give it to him.
show me a doctor who is going to prescribe you supplements ....none
at your age you should not even try to lift heavy just go to the gym and work on form and technique and on the field do a lot of plyometric exercises to improve speed.

 

[eaglesfan!]

why fishoil?

 

[ForgeFit]

There is SO MUCH misinformation about creatine!!
Don't fall for the rumour (because that's all it is) that creatine causes cramping or bloating. In fact, of the studies conducted to investigate whether creatine causes cramps, the results show that it either has no effect or actually DECREASES the incidence of cramping when training in hot conditions.
Also, if you ask a proper creatine researcher if creatine causes bloating, they will tell you that it doesn't. Generally, scientific studies show that placebo groups who consume what looks and tastes like creatine experience the same amount of bloating as the groups that get creatine.

 

[bjg]

why fishoil?

1-it is a natural source of vitamins including D (which is normally not abundant in food) and omega 3
2- it is good for bones and bone growth,skin, heart
3- good for joints
creatine will probably not hurt you if not taken in excess but it will not help either since you have enough of it in your diet.
the rule is don't take something if it is not going to help you will be loading your body with useless stuff and make your liver and kidney suffer. sure there are a lot of research about creatine but they target pro athletes who do not really care about their health and most of the time these studies are mostly financed by companies selling supplements. you are 16 these studies do not concern you.

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

right at 16, just take a shit load of supps and forget your training. good call.

Shit Load of Supplements

NO one posted any recommendations on taking a "Shit load of supplements."

Forget Your Training

NO one posted any recommendations on forgetting training. [/U][/B]

Making Thing Up

You make things up as you go.

its safe. no doubt.

It's SAFE!

At least you got that right.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

Do Nfl players take creatine do you think?

The smart ones do.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

creatine will probably not hurt you if not taken in excess but it will not help either since you have enough of it in your diet.

Smart Dumb Guy

You are definitely one of the smartest dumb guy on this board. You continue to perpetuate hype and misinformation.

Ententertainment Value

You true value is in the pure entertainment value you provide for this site. So, you do have a purpose.

"It (creatine) will not help you."

Creatine is proven via science and empirical data to be the "Real Deal". It is without a doubt an effective tool.

Cost Effective

Creatine lives up to it's promise. Not only that it is one of the most cost effective (cheapest) supplements on the market.

the rule is don't take something if it is not going to help you will be loading your body with useless stuff and make your liver and kidney suffer.

The Real Rule

The Real Rule is know what you are talking about.

More Misinformation

Creatine is an effective supplement that IS USEFUL.

There is NO scientific informantion or anecdotal data that shows it cause liver or kidney problems.

The Irony

The real irony is you purpost youself to be in the field of science. However, you are CLUELESS about nutritional science.

sure there are a lot of research about creatine but they target pro athletes who do not really care about their health and most of the time these studies are mostly financed by companies selling supplements. you are 16 these studies do not concern you.

Flaunting Your Ignorance

The research does NOT just "Target pro athletes".

Most of the research has actually been preformed by Exercise Physiologist at Universities.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

Flanuting Your Ignorance

show me a doctor who is going to prescribe you supplements

Medical Doctors

Medical doctors deal with disease.

Medicine is the study of disease.

Thus, that is a physician's area of expertise.

Limited Nutrition Knowledge

A medical doctors knowledge is limited with nutrition, supplements, physical therapy, pharmacology, and exercise science.

A medical doctors knowledge in these areas is more like NON-Existant!

Prescribing Supplements

Medical doctors don't prescribe ANYTHING they know nothing about.

That is one of the reason they do not prescribe or recommend supplements.

Flaunting Your Ignorance, AGAIN!

You continue to push the limits of stupidity with your statements.

It definitely entertaining.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

I dont know. I would think at such a professional level they dont need it.

Flaunting Your Stupidity

Now you're flunting your stupidity!

"I would think..."

Evidently, thinking is something that works well for you.

Kenny Croxdale

 

[bjg]

kenny kenny i'll put you in touch with a friend a medical doctor and orthopedic surgeon and specialized in sports with about 50 articles in his name so i'll ask him if you want you can argue with him and tell him how stupid he is and that he does not know anything about creatine. my dear kenny knowing about creatine is very basic for medical doctors, knowing about testosterone is also very basic knowing about lots of stuff talked about in this forum is like the ABC for medical doctors after all all the articles you base your opinion on are written by doctors.
so lets see you give your son creatine at 16 years old.

 

[oufinny]

Smart Dumb Guy

You are definitely one of the smartest dumb guy on this board. You continue to perpetuate hype and misinformation.

Ententertainment Value

You true value is in the pure entertainment value you provide for this site. So, you do have a purpose.

"It (creatine) will not help you."

Creatine is proven via science and empirical data to be the "Real Deal". It is without a doubt an effective tool.

Cost Effective

Creatine lives up to it's promise. Not only that it is one of the most cost effective (cheapest) supplements on the market.



The Real Rule

The Real Rule is know what you are talking about.

More Misinformation

Creatine is an effective supplement that IS USEFUL.

There is NO scientific informantion or anecdotal data that shows it cause liver or kidney problems.

The Irony

The real irony is you purpost youself to be in the field of science. However, you are CLUELESS about nutritional science.



Flaunting Your Ignorance

The research does NOT just "Target pro athletes".

Most of the research has actually been preformed by Exercise Physiologist at Universities.

Kenny Croxdale

Thank you, this is the same shit I have been saying. Its a freaking amino acid salt, what is the fucking concern here? That is like saying he shouldn't take a multi-vitamin; really? Are you people seriously thinking that creatine is going to send him down some addictive spiral. I mean, do some of you read the stupidity that comes out of your mouths? I swear its like being in a room with environmentalists, there are no facts, just a bunch of unsupported opinions based on complete bullshit they saw on the news.

OP - I WISH I knew about protein shakes, BCAAs and creatine when I was younger. It wasn't until my mom, a cardiac nurse of 40 years experience, told me it was time I take it as it would help me significantly. She was right and it does help, especially with max efforts as your tire and lactic acid builds up. I would go so far as to say that before your workouts I would down some creatine with juice and throw in a cheap caffeine pill to help you push it to the max. Stay away from anything else as you don't need it but you can never get hurt by creatine, a basic multi-vitamin and fish oil. These are all safe and you can get it all at Walmart (maybe not bulk creatine though).

 

[oufinny]

kenny kenny i'll put you in touch with a friend a medical doctor and orthopedic surgeon and specialized in sports with about 50 articles in his name so i'll ask him if you want you can argue with him and tell him how stupid he is and that he does not know anything about creatine. my dear kenny knowing about creatine is very basic for medical doctors, knowing about testosterone is also very basic knowing about lots of stuff talked about in this forum is like the ABC for medical doctors after all all the articles you base your opinion on are written by doctors.
so lets see you give your son creatine at 16 years old.

There is zero risk unless you are severly dehydrated or have major kidney issues. Your doctor friend should know this or I question his intelligence, no matter how many articles he writes. Frankly, that much time to write really makes me question how much he actually practices real medicine...

 

[bjg]

There is zero risk unless you are severly dehydrated or have major kidney issues. Your doctor friend should know this or I question his intelligence, no matter how many articles he writes. Frankly, that much time to write really makes me question how much he actually practices real medicine...

plz don't question his intelligence or mine for that matter you'll be surprised.
no one is talking about risks the subject was if a 16 years old should be taking creatine and if it is going to help him in football.
my answer was: no need for creatine it will not help at 16 , since it will not help it will by default be considered as an excess that your body should not be subject to. besides the mental addiction to supplements that a 16 years old is capable of developing leading to more serious supplementation that will for sure be harmful both physically and mentally

 

[bjg]

eaglesfan i'll give you an example hope you are into sports cars:
supplements are like those aftermarket sports car performance enhancers like air filters exhaust etc...they are all advertised to give such and such power increase and are all backed by research. in reality their benefits are minimal and sometimes negatif. they won't hurt but won't help much and can hurt in the long run.
then you have the serious stuff like turbos (steroids) these will help for sure but also will hurt for sure.
so supplements like creatine will not help much unless you have defficiencies in creatine, all supplements are beneficial in case of defficiencies only. nothing replaces a proper diet and proper training.

 

[oufinny]

plz don't question his intelligence or mine for that matter you'll be surprised.
no one is talking about risks the subject was if a 16 years old should be taking creatine and if it is going to help him in football.
my answer was: no need for creatine it will not help at 16 , since it will not help it will by default be considered as an excess that your body should not be subject to. besides the mental addiction to supplements that a 16 years old is capable of developing leading to more serious supplementation that will for sure be harmful both physically and mentally

You are ridiculous, I think I am going to have to block your posts. I can question whatever the fuck I want.

 

[VolcomX311]

I'm with the pro creatine crowd. An increased ATP reservoir for an explosive sport is something you'd want.

Also, medical doctors don't have a consensus of opinion on supplements. You could find just as many physicians who are pro steroids if used properly as you could find that believe steroids will certainly kill you. I'm sure you could find physicians on both sides of creatine usage just because.