t3 + DNP

[heavyiron]

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[heavyiron]

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[vindicated346]

I love how there is only one mention of "dosing" and that was for the formation of cataracts, which from the studies that were done to show the formation was done back in the 30's and was roughly .01%-1% of the somewhat 500,000 users

 

[GMO]

The only sides I am experiencing are sweating and weight loss, but I am taking a very low dose of 200mg/wk.

 

[vindicated346]

nice results GMO, I usually run mine at 400mg, slight dicomfort and sweating, but 1lbs a day cant be beat, dropped 20lbs so far, while running tren, and test, just as strong as when I started. I think next time, i'll look into adding slin, reading some really good things about running these two together

 

[Thresh]

The only sides I am experiencing are sweating and weight loss, but I am taking a very low dose of 200mg/wk.

I'll be doing this dosage for my next cycle.


5"10
193lbs
BF = around 13% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[Thresh]

nice results GMO, I usually run mine at 400mg, slight dicomfort and sweating, but 1lbs a day cant be beat, dropped 20lbs so far, while running tren, and test, just as strong as when I started. I think next time, i'll look into adding slin, reading some really good things about running these two together

400mg was an inferno for me. 300mg was a comfort dose. If you add slin, you sure in the hell won't gain any fat!

AAS, slin, hgh, DNP, stack of the gods?


5"10
193lbs
BF = around 13% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[XYZ]

400mg was an inferno for me. 300mg was a comfort dose. If you add slin, you sure in the hell won't gain any fat!

AAS, slin, hgh, DNP, stack of the gods?


5"10
193lbs
BF = around 13% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

With all due respect, that is the most reckless stack you could use, the word problematic doesn't even begin to describe your "stack of the gods".

 

[the_anapolack]

STAY AWAY FROM THE SLIN.......ESPECIALLY on dnp......dnp makes you hypo enough and can make ur blood sugar crash like crazy......the few (very few i may add) deaths involving the D had been due to either dehydration or low blood sugar........i wouldnt waste hgh with dnp either...just do some peptides (empty stomach of course) and DONT FORGET to eat a little something after pinning.........please do NOT do slin on the D

 

[GMO]

With all due respect, that is the most reckless stack you could use, the word problematic doesn't even begin to describe your "stack of the gods".

^^^This x1000

 

[vindicated346]

I'm in no rush to run DNP/SLIN, and like everything I do, there is a ton of research that goes into it first and foremost. I love the cycle im on now, and have no plans of changing

 

[Thresh]

As far as I know DNP does not cause hypo at all, it actually can cause slight hyper...

"DNP prevents ATP-replenishment on a cellular level when blood glucose levels rise. In normal circumstances, elevated blood-glucose levels will cause a spike in intracellular ATP levels which results in cell depolarization & KATP channel inhibition so that insulin can drive the glucose et al into peripheral tissues. Since DNP prevents this rise in ATP (and actually promotes the opposite--ATP degredation), your pancreatic beta-cells never get the cellular energy signal that an insulin release is needed. It's the release of insulin from the beta-cells that's being blocked initially."

Source: pulled from another forum and forgot to copy the link, sorry.


"So, now we understand the ways in which DNP interferes with some of the actions of insulin. Another action of insulin (thank you God) is that it promotes transport of amino acids from the bloodstream into muscles and other cells. Insulin also increases the rate at which amino acids are incorporated into protein. Although DNP does block the release of insulin and prevents a key component of the electron transport chain (ATP synthase, remember?), it does nothing to prevent the aforementioned extremely anabolic affect of insulin. Therefore, when you use DNP, you should be administering insulin at the same time. The exogenous insulin will still work its anabolic magic while the DNP burns off reams of body fat through the resultant metabolic increase. "

"DNP and insulin can be combined synergistically for a powerful anabolic/lipotropic combination. Athletes considering the use of these substances must be made aware of all the potential side effects and dangers associated with these drugs. If you are considering using either of these substances, please carefully consider the information presented in this two part series. Hopefully we will help you minimize the risks and enjoy more of the benefits of these powerful drugs."

Source: http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/musclechemistry-discussion/53044-dnp-insulin-part-1-a.html




5"10
193lbs
BF = around 13% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[the_anapolack]

i still would NOT advise a casual user or novice to dnp or even to supplementing in general to used with insulin..........i use with gf but i only pined 25mcg EOD and the hypo i recieved was crazy.....had to eat evry few hours.............i use peptides with the d but am very careful at that too...................i wake up with the worse shakes that last even 45 minutes after meal in mornings........i also use vinegar pre-meal because im one of those belive that the less insulin the better because insulin will AGE a motherfucker worse than cigarettes..........had some of the best fatloss cycles of my life keepin slin levels DOWN during dnp usage..........maybe youre a bodybuilder? if so i think the things you guys will do to obtain muscle is crazy.......but whatever....if you are an ATHLETE as opposed to BBer stay away from the slin

 

[vindicated346]

I am def not the casual user of DNP, but I appreciate your concern for a fellow IM'er. and thresh, that was the very same article I started reading..good post

 

[Thresh]

i still would NOT advise a casual user or novice to dnp or even to supplementing in general to used with insulin..........i use with gf but i only pined 25mcg EOD and the hypo i recieved was crazy.....had to eat evry few hours.............i use peptides with the d but am very careful at that too...................i wake up with the worse shakes that last even 45 minutes after meal in mornings........i also use vinegar pre-meal because im one of those belive that the less insulin the better because insulin will AGE a motherfucker worse than cigarettes..........had some of the best fatloss cycles of my life keepin slin levels DOWN during dnp usage..........maybe youre a bodybuilder? if so i think the things you guys will do to obtain muscle is crazy.......but whatever....if you are an ATHLETE as opposed to BBer stay away from the slin

Insulin will age you? I understand what you are saying but I've never heard this before.

I appreciate everyone's health concerns as well, guess its one of those things the more you know the less dangerous it appears. Like insulin, millions take it a day, lethal insulin dose? Good luck, your going to fall a sleep and just wake up a day or two later. DNP, sure you can cook yourself alive, but if you don't know the difference between 200mg and 2g a day, Darwin would be just proven right once again


5"10
193lbs
BF = around 13% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[the_anapolack]

here is reply from "Animal"
Yea and nobody knew insulin production was shut down?

That explains it's working at the pancreas and not at the cell, but I'd say that is up for debate, too, because when cells are worked they send glut4 to the cell membrane and then insulin is NOT NEEDED for glucose transport, hence, how passive RECOVERY works.

ATP is not shut down, EVER, but try working out on DNP and let me know how you feel and how 'hyper' you are! ASSININE!

Not only does insulin shut down, but so does T4-t3 conversion and likely T3 production as the thyroid is surely seeing the feedback of cellular fat loss and high metabolism.........

not sure if anyone here is familiar with animal or the chem-anarchy board but the info i learned there never let me down yet.........i would love to see what conciliator says just because i would like to hear his opinion being that he is the authority on the d.............by the way he also doesnt suggest supplementing with t-3 but if anyone goes that rout they may want to just do 25mcg a day because your temp will go thru the roof otherwise....like you aint hot enough already...................someone tole me of a doctor who went on a long term dnp plan at 400mg a day for about 7months and his thyroid didnt budge....in fact is stayed the same throughout........................i can personally attest that i stopped taking d before a surgery and after a week went to get bloodwork done for anesthesiologist and my doc freaaked out when he saw my bloodwork.....my thyroid was SKY HIGH and i didnt take any thyroid meds at all................so if you keep dosage at same levels you shouldnt experience too much t-3 droppage and the "rebound" you get will be insane

 

[GMO]

I am running 75mcg of T3 and 200mcg of DNP ED, and my temperature is not "through the roof". The only sides I am getting are anxiety and night sweats, but I am also running 700mg of Tren a week. DNP is safe, if you know how to use it, how to eat while your on it and you keep your dose low and for a short duration (10-14 days)

 

[XYZ]

here is reply from "Animal"
Yea and nobody knew insulin production was shut down?

That explains it's working at the pancreas and not at the cell, but I'd say that is up for debate, too, because when cells are worked they send glut4 to the cell membrane and then insulin is NOT NEEDED for glucose transport, hence, how passive RECOVERY works.

ATP is not shut down, EVER, but try working out on DNP and let me know how you feel and how 'hyper' you are! ASSININE!

Not only does insulin shut down, but so does T4-t3 conversion and likely T3 production as the thyroid is surely seeing the feedback of cellular fat loss and high metabolism.........

not sure if anyone here is familiar with animal or the chem-anarchy board but the info i learned there never let me down yet.........i would love to see what conciliator says just because i would like to hear his opinion being that he is the authority on the d.............by the way he also doesnt suggest supplementing with t-3 but if anyone goes that rout they may want to just do 25mcg a day because your temp will go thru the roof otherwise....like you aint hot enough already...................someone tole me of a doctor who went on a long term dnp plan at 400mg a day for about 7months and his thyroid didnt budge....in fact is stayed the same throughout........................i can personally attest that i stopped taking d before a surgery and after a week went to get bloodwork done for anesthesiologist and my doc freaaked out when he saw my bloodwork.....my thyroid was SKY HIGH and i didnt take any thyroid meds at all................so if you keep dosage at same levels you shouldnt experience too much t-3 droppage and the "rebound" you get will be insane

All I can tell you is that Conciliator knows WTF he's talking about, I have learned almost everything directly from him in regards to DNP the science behind it, the risks, etc, etc. Guy is "THE Guru" as far as I am concerned. There are multiple things he states about T3 and the basic premise is that it's dose dependent.

One thing I would suggest to you personally, is try and clean up your posts, it's almost impossible to read all of that the way you have it posted. Makes people not even want to read it because it looks like WTF?

 

[vindicated346]

I posted this earlier in the thread, but this is Conciliator's thoughts on T3 shutdown

Conciliator post on t3 and DNP:

"DNP doesn't shut down the thyroid. This is a common myth. AAS and DNP have a similar effect on thyroid, through a similar mechanism of action. While androgens reduce the concentration of thyroid binding globulin (TBG), DNP occupies thyroid binding proteins, which has the same result... less protein to bind to thyroid. This may initially result in higher serum levels and accelerated clearance, but after a short term alteration in thyroid function a new steady state is soon reached in which thyroid function is normal, despite potentially reduced serum levels of total T4 and total T3. As one paper on DNP explained, "this action could lower the total hormone concentration in serum but should have no persistent effect on thyroid function". This means that even though the level of thyroid hormones in the blood can potentially be lower than normal, thyroid function will still be normal. What I've seen happen most of the time, however, is that thyroid levels hardly change.

There's a case study that's often posted as evidence for thyroid dysfunction from DNP, but I'm of the opinion that the bodybuilders in question had low thyroid levels not because of the DNP, but because they were taking T3 during their cycle. Exogenous T3 definitely will suppress endogenous production. I had a Norwegian translate the paper and it was unclear why they had low thyroid levels. They didn't test for reverse thyroid when they could have, which would have made the cause clearer.

I also have a friend who's a doctor of internal medicine who ran 600mg/day of crystal DNP for 3-4 months (went from 320 lbs down to the mid 200's). He gave himself frequent blood tests and said his thyroid didn't budge. I've heard feedback from several others who did blood work showing the same thing.

I'm just not convinced that DNP results in any thyroid dysfunction. You definitely do NOT need to take thyroid along with DNP. Considering how notoriously catabolic thyroid is, I'd recommend leaving it out of your dieting plan."

 

[Thresh]

Should consolidate some of these great post and just make a sticky, lot of you guys have great references.


5"10
200lbs
BF = around 15% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[justhav2p]

you should go to anything goes and answer my question about DNP lol.

 

[Thresh]

"DNP deactivates the enzyme that stores energy, which is generated in the cell from fatty acids and sugars, in ATP. Instead the energy is released as heat.". Why DNP melts fat, and fat only.

Good article can be found here:
http://www.ergo-log.com/dinitrocresol.html

What this article goes on to discuss is dinitrocresol, 5x stronger than DNP? Anyone ever try it?


5"10
200lbs
BF = around 15% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[BP2000]

"Horner estimated in 1936 that 2500 Americans had turned blind from taking DNP"


how do you explain that one ---^

 

[Thresh]

"Horner estimated in 1936 that 2500 Americans had turned blind from taking DNP"


how do you explain that one ---^

Jesus, this was already covered. You can do some simple math, or maybe read another article that discusses why and who this happened to.

More people have died from coconuts falling on there heads than from DNP. How do you explain that one?


5"10
200lbs
BF = around 15% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[BP2000]

I read that if you further supplement with pyruvate you will indeed protect your eyes from any impending problems. So make sure that is on your supp list.

Thresh I'm just learning about DNP as many are. So asking question's is a good thing. After all you have to admit that this is the most dangerous PED or fat burning agent there is so precaution should be headed at the highest level.

 

[bigbenj]

Talk to Vindicated. He is very calm when dealing with anti-dnp people(like I used to be).

Most DNP users will shit talk you(maybe with good reason), but Vindicated is very calm and collected. I like that guy.

XYZ is good too, if you talk to him calmly haha

 

[Thresh]

I read that if you further supplement with pyruvate you will indeed protect your eyes from any impending problems. So make sure that is on your supp list.

Thresh I'm just learning about DNP as many are. So asking question's is a good thing. After all you have to admit that this is the most dangerous PED or fat burning agent there is so precaution should be headed at the highest level.

My apologies, I'm not the most calm person by any means, I usually speak without thinking.

The blindness came from cataracts, was almost exclusively in women from what I can find. Cataracts back in the 30's in sure meant blindness, now a days cataracts is actually very common and easily treated.

I have heard of supps that will help protect your eyes. The rate of cataracts was between .1-1% and was mostly women.


5"10
200lbs
BF = around 15% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[Thresh]

Talk to Vindicated. He is very calm when dealing with anti-dnp people(like I used to be).

Most DNP users will shit talk you(maybe with good reason), but Vindicated is very calm and collected. I like that guy.

XYZ is good too, if you talk to him calmly haha

This.


5"10
200lbs
BF = around 15% (guess)
600mg Tren E, 325mg Test Cyp week

 

[bigbenj]

This has been a very educational thread, thanks to Thresh, Vin, Anapolack, & XYZ.

 

[fireazm]

bump

deffinately should be a sticky