PEG MGF users

[supaman23]

I would take whatever russianstar says with a grain of salt. He seems to gain weight with virtually anything he tries.

Even if it really worked that good for him, I doubt others will get the same results. I tried most of what he suggested and expected results similar to what he said and I was dissapointed.

I think he really "enhances" his writings/findings to draw attention from the readers.

 

[moresize]

Srry to bump the thread, but can't peg be ran sub q for research? I seen Dat claim peg was bad, but russian star said it was good what 4lbs in 4 weeks? Also, this pep should be cycled every 4 weeks? Newbie guys. Thanks.

You should check out Dat's forum again...he ran Peg and had success but his Peg MGF was made for him.

 

[hooper]

You should check out Dat's forum again...he ran Peg and had success but his Peg MGF was made for him.

PEGMGF works just fine the cycle for igf should be only 4 weeks to avoid saturation in your system . IGF is good before and right after your workout. PEGMGF is good the day after , although i have experiment and used it before workout.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

PEGMGF works just fine the cycle for igf should be only 4 weeks to avoid saturation in your system . IGF is good before and right after your workout. PEGMGF is good the day after , although i have experiment and used it before workout.

Agreed.. Des before , LR3 after.. that's how I roll. LOL. How did the peg work for you preworkout. I'm curious about that now.

 

[Kleen]

From what I understand / have read, Peg MGF only binds to the receptors and acts as MGF when there is muscle damage, however when there is not it works basically the same as IGF-1. Also MGF is pretty much useless in the presence of IGF since IGF has a much greater affinity for the receptors, and MGF acts as IGF in the presence of IGF. Taking the Lr3 right after the workout cuts out the function of the MGF by making it act as IGF instead of MGF. That is why they say to do the Lr3 a little while after the workout so your natural MGF can be produced and used then do the Lr3 from 1-5 hours later. Then do the PegMGF on off days when there is muscle damage present, but beyond the 24 hour period that your body makes its own MGF.

I planned to run Lr3 IGF-1 at 80mcg 4 times a week and the Peg MGF 3 times a week on off days at 300-400mcg.

Hooper, when you say to run the Lr3 at a lower dose how low are you talking? I also intended to run DES pre workout at about 80-100mcg would the DES being involved cause any problem with the saturation you mentioned?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Correct, IGF will displace MGF. They work off the same receptors as MGF is simply a variant of IGF that is created locally in the muscle tissue rather than in the liver like IGF.

 

[Kleen]

Correct, IGF will displace MGF. They work off the same receptors as MGF is simply a variant of IGF that is created locally in the muscle tissue rather than in the liver like IGF.

Good deal you know you spend a lot of time reading logs and articles and you think you have a grasp on something and then read something else that contradicts it and begin to question all of the knowledge you just spent so much time collecting. At least I know I got this one right.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Good deal you know you spend a lot of time reading logs and articles and you think you have a grasp on something and then read something else that contradicts it and begin to question all of the knowledge you just spent so much time collecting. At least I know I got this one right.

Absolutely.. LOL.

 

[hooper]

Agreed.. Des before , LR3 after.. that's how I roll. LOL. How did the peg work for you preworkout. I'm curious about that now.

It worked good i took it 1 hour before workout it gave me a good feel and i was able to push as i got in to the workout ... it was a bit different that how IGF feels and it supposed to feel different. i have use the same formula the whole time i was using it. You don't get the pump you get with IGF but it was good to push through .

 

[hooper]

From what I understand / have read, Peg MGF only binds to the receptors and acts as MGF when there is muscle damage, however when there is not it works basically the same as IGF-1. Also MGF is pretty much useless in the presence of IGF since IGF has a much greater affinity for the receptors, and MGF acts as IGF in the presence of IGF. Taking the Lr3 right after the workout cuts out the function of the MGF by making it act as IGF instead of MGF. That is why they say to do the Lr3 a little while after the workout so your natural MGF can be produced and used then do the Lr3 from 1-5 hours later. Then do the PegMGF on off days when there is muscle damage present, but beyond the 24 hour period that your body makes its own MGF.

I planned to run Lr3 IGF-1 at 80mcg 4 times a week and the Peg MGF 3 times a week on off days at 300-400mcg.

Hooper, when you say to run the Lr3 at a lower dose how low are you talking? I also intended to run DES pre workout at about 80-100mcg would the DES being involved cause any problem with the saturation you mentioned?

Some people start with 40 mcg and see how they feel .. with IGF i found that if you go a bit lees you can take it to 5 weeks without reaching the threshold . On the other hand Pegmgf that amount should not be any problem.The key point to this is to make sure your training is on and eating is on so you can achieve the growth . You have to do a bit of cycle since IGF is not known to be a fast muscle builder. With everything it takes a little time and you have to learn your body's responses .

 

[Dcrazy]

From what I understand / have read, Peg MGF only binds to the receptors and acts as MGF when there is muscle damage, however when there is not it works basically the same as IGF-1. Also MGF is pretty much useless in the presence of IGF since IGF has a much greater affinity for the receptors, and MGF acts as IGF in the presence of IGF. Taking the Lr3 right after the workout cuts out the function of the MGF by making it act as IGF instead of MGF. That is why they say to do the Lr3 a little while after the workout so your natural MGF can be produced and used then do the Lr3 from 1-5 hours later. Then do the PegMGF on off days when there is muscle damage present, but beyond the 24 hour period that your body makes its own MGF.

I planned to run Lr3 IGF-1 at 80mcg 4 times a week and the Peg MGF 3 times a week on off days at 300-400mcg.

Hooper, when you say to run the Lr3 at a lower dose how low are you talking? I also intended to run DES pre workout at about 80-100mcg would the DES being involved cause any problem with the saturation you mentioned?

So here is my q...I read where ppl ran peg mgf sub q and IM? How effective could this be sub q? Also if peg acts like IGF-1 bc it looks like its speculative if the mgf really does it's job...atleast in my reading, then what efffects are being seen and how long should peg mgf be ran( esp. if it mimics IGF ). So, basically its a cpl q's I have...lol. N yes I read dats log and russian stars. Thanks

 

[Dcrazy]

PEGMGF works just fine the cycle for igf should be only 4 weeks to avoid saturation in your system . IGF is good before and right after your workout. PEGMGF is good the day after , although i have experiment and used it before workout.

In your research how effective is pegmgf alone? Also, is sub q effective....as peg should be systematic right?

 

[Pittsburgh63]

In your research how effective is pegmgf alone? Also, is sub q effective....as peg should be systematic right?

Peg is systemic, but there are also studies out there that show localized effects. I personally have not seen localized effects from it though.

 

[moresize]

In your research how effective is pegmgf alone? Also, is sub q effective....as peg should be systematic right?

I alway like testing new peptides alone to see how my body responds and I had great results, during the cycle I felt full. After the cycle and when I started back on the HGH peptides is when I saw growth.

 

[Dcrazy]

I alway like testing new peptides alone to see how my body responds and I had great results, during the cycle I felt full. After the cycle and when I started back on the HGH peptides is when I saw growth.

How long were you on cycle of peg? Also, u said full...did u see any muscle growth at all w/ peg mgf. Thanks. I've also read where ppl have sub q, but idk. Thanks for the response.

 

[Kleen]

DCrazy, the way things work with MGF is more about creating new muscle cells via proliferation. It typically is not until those satellite cells are activated by something else increasing IGF levels that a lot of growth is seen. That is why he mentioned he saw the growth when he went back on HGH. Increased IGF levels maturing the new cells quickly causes that extra growth. Same thing happens when on cycle.

What you will get while on is better recovery and repair of existing muscle fibers, rebuilding them stronger than before, and the fullness which is due to the fact MGF can also act as IGF at the receptors although it does not cause the carb leaching associated with Lr3 it does increase glut4 activity increasing nutrient uptake in the muscle. So you will get stronger and slightly bigger while using the MGF but the gains are more likely to show up later. Even with IGF-1 the activation of the cells makes them new muscle cells but the size that comes from that tends to show up more down the road as the new muscle cells mature.

 

[moresize]

DCrazy, the way things work with MGF is more about creating new muscle cells via proliferation. It typically is not until those satellite cells are activated by something else increasing IGF levels that a lot of growth is seen. That is why he mentioned he saw the growth when he went back on HGH. Increased IGF levels maturing the new cells quickly causes that extra growth. Same thing happens when on cycle.

What you will get while on is better recovery and repair of existing muscle fibers, rebuilding them stronger than before, and the fullness which is due to the fact MGF can also act as IGF at the receptors although it does not cause the carb leaching associated with Lr3 it does increase glut4 activity increasing nutrient uptake in the muscle. So you will get stronger and slightly bigger while using the MGF but the gains are more likely to show up later. Even with IGF-1 the activation of the cells makes them new muscle cells but the size that comes from that tends to show up more down the road as the new muscle cells mature.

I am still learning..but from what I read...Kleen explained it better than I could.

 

[Dcrazy]

DCrazy, the way things work with MGF is more about creating new muscle cells via proliferation. It typically is not until those satellite cells are activated by something else increasing IGF levels that a lot of growth is seen. That is why he mentioned he saw the growth when he went back on HGH. Increased IGF levels maturing the new cells quickly causes that extra growth. Same thing happens when on cycle.

What you will get while on is better recovery and repair of existing muscle fibers, rebuilding them stronger than before, and the fullness which is due to the fact MGF can also act as IGF at the receptors although it does not cause the carb leaching associated with Lr3 it does increase glut4 activity increasing nutrient uptake in the muscle. So you will get stronger and slightly bigger while using the MGF but the gains are more likely to show up later. Even with IGF-1 the activation of the cells makes them new muscle cells but the size that comes from that tends to show up more down the road as the new muscle cells mature.

Thanks for the response first of all. I get that mgf is about creating cells and just like even bones at birth it takes time to develop. This does spur on a cpl q's. Can...I should say if pegmgf is used sub q, would positive effects be seen? Reason for that q, is I came across somewhere someone was doing sub q? Also, how long is peg mgf ran, and once new cells are created, can't they mature well w/out using a substance to promote IGF levels? I am also on test cyp....trt..so idk how that would play in. I avoided that b/c it's a pep forum.

Needless to say, I fired out a cpl q's..lol. However, after pegmgf couldn't say ghrp 1295 w/out dac( to avoid GH bleed ) be used to enhance growth. I see ppl using this ghrp along w/others. That's just a side q....The main one's I had are above. Thanks for your time and response.

 

[Dcrazy]

I am still learning..but from what I read...Kleen explained it better than I could.

No worries man, so am I. I have read russian star and dats stuff( well some of it )... but it never hurts to get more info. Ppl should learn from the prohormone era( not saying all were bad ).

 

[hooper]

Thanks for the response first of all. I get that mgf is about creating cells and just like even bones at birth it takes time to develop. This does spur on a cpl q's. Can...I should say if pegmgf is used sub q, would positive effects be seen? Reason for that q, is I came across somewhere someone was doing sub q? Also, how long is peg mgf ran, and once new cells are created, can't they mature well w/out using a substance to promote IGF levels? I am also on test cyp....trt..so idk how that would play in. I avoided that b/c it's a pep forum.

Needless to say, I fired out a cpl q's..lol. However, after pegmgf couldn't say ghrp 1295 w/out dac( to avoid GH bleed ) be used to enhance growth. I see ppl using this ghrp along w/others. That's just a side q....The main one's I had are above. Thanks for your time and response.

You guys make it complicated i have experimenting with Peptides for couple years . peptides 1) they are not for fast growth , you must do several cycles and do the training right eating and rest. 2) I always use PEG on the muscle that i worked. 3) Peg does not give you the feeling you get from IGF. You can run peg longer than IGF.4) Don't run full gear cycle with peptides wait until you done with gear. 5) don't expect huge growth just cycle like you do anything !!!! Simple no technical BS since peptides have not been documented for a long time for consumption neither for use on athletes like the others have( Test etc)

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Thanks for the response first of all. I get that mgf is about creating cells and just like even bones at birth it takes time to develop. This does spur on a cpl q's. Can...I should say if pegmgf is used sub q, would positive effects be seen? Reason for that q, is I came across somewhere someone was doing sub q? Also, how long is peg mgf ran, and once new cells are created, can't they mature well w/out using a substance to promote IGF levels? I am also on test cyp....trt..so idk how that would play in. I avoided that b/c it's a pep forum.

Needless to say, I fired out a cpl q's..lol. However, after pegmgf couldn't say ghrp 1295 w/out dac( to avoid GH bleed ) be used to enhance growth. I see ppl using this ghrp along w/others. That's just a side q....The main one's I had are above. Thanks for your time and response.

There are endless possibilities in regards to options of how to run these peptides. I use Peg subq on non workout days.. regular MGF pinned IM PWO, administered bilaterally in to the muscle worked that day. Then 15-20 minutes later pin GHRP/GHRH combo, wait another 15-20 then pin IGF LR3 sub q.

 

[Dcrazy]

You guys make it complicated i have experimenting with Peptides for couple years . peptides 1) they are not for fast growth , you must do several cycles and do the training right eating and rest. 2) I always use PEG on the muscle that i worked. 3) Peg does not give you the feeling you get from IGF. You can run peg longer than IGF.4) Don't run full gear cycle with peptides wait until you done with gear. 5) don't expect huge growth just cycle like you do anything !!!! Simple no technical BS since peptides have not been documented for a long time for consumption neither for use on athletes like the others have( Test etc)

Well yea they have not been around long enough as you said. However, like prohormones when unregulated by fda...teens were buying them and experimenting with them....which some pros where not good, some good. Kinda like peps( no peps are not pro or test ) just sayin in relation to the backround of study. However, peg mgf alone, can it cause muscle growth over time. Another person alluded to running something with it to see muscle growth. I get that, u can stack test w/ say var and see better results than just var. However, test alone can do a good job. So can peg/mgf do an okay job...realizing yes you may see some strength( going off some posts and reading ), but can you see growth with it alone? I am talking sub q. Also, being systemic..is that the entire organism or just to skeletal/ muscle groups? I ask that b/c I believe russian star or dat said that pef only effects skeletal/ muscle....aka not your organs?

So let's say if peg works fine sub q...given a few months.. I see ppl doing diff doses per week. Whats a good start dose. Not trying to make it complicated, just a fine tune up on what one is doing. I'm not trying to be disrespectful either, just trying to find out. Again, thanks for the responses.

 

[emitecaps]

There are endless possibilities in regards to options of how to run these peptides. I use Peg subq on non workout days.. regular MGF pinned IM PWO, administered bilaterally in to the muscle worked that day. Then 15-20 minutes later pin GHRP/GHRH combo, wait another 15-20 then pin IGF LR3 sub q.

i'm lazy so can I pin my mgf with my GHRP/GHRH immediately post workout or do I have to wait?

 

[hooper]

Well yea they have not been around long enough as you said. However, like prohormones when unregulated by fda...teens were buying them and experimenting with them....which some pros where not good, some good. Kinda like peps( no peps are not pro or test ) just sayin in relation to the backround of study. However, peg mgf alone, can it cause muscle growth over time. Another person alluded to running something with it to see muscle growth. I get that, u can stack test w/ say var and see better results than just var. However, test alone can do a good job. So can peg/mgf do an okay job...realizing yes you may see some strength( going off some posts and reading ), but can you see growth with it alone? I am talking sub q. Also, being systemic..is that the entire organism or just to skeletal/ muscle groups? I ask that b/c I believe russian star or dat said that pef only effects skeletal/ muscle....aka not your organs?

So let's say if peg works fine sub q...given a few months.. I see ppl doing diff doses per week. Whats a good start dose. Not trying to make it complicated, just a fine tune up on what one is doing. I'm not trying to be disrespectful either, just trying to find out. Again, thanks for the responses.

No you not disrespectful at all . Pegmgf is not known to build any great amount of muscle alone neither with others. We still don't know how much time really to run the cycle cause everything is experimental . I was running peg with Igf and by its self for 6 weeks no longer. Peg does not make your organs grow That is BS you read from people that have no idea what in the hell pegmgf is. i always used it in the areas i was working out. you can start with 200mcg to begin and see how you feel . No problem for asking!!

 

[Pittsburgh63]

i'm lazy so can I pin my mgf with my GHRP/GHRH immediately post workout or do I have to wait?

For optimal results, I would stick to how I have laid it out. The reason being is that they will be competing for the same receptors.

 

[Dcrazy]

For optimal results, I would stick to how I have laid it out. The reason being is that they will be competing for the same receptors.

I know peg mgf is systemic, but is it just directed towards muscular/skeletal or the entire body... aka organs. I read where it was skeletal/muscle, but not sure. Also how much would be good for research muscle growth. Thanks.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

I know peg mgf is systemic, but is it just directed towards muscular/skeletal or the entire body... aka organs. I read where it was skeletal/muscle, but not sure. Also how much would be good for research muscle growth. Thanks.

It's contained to skeletal muscles. Organs are not effected by MGF. I like to dose Peg at 300-400mcg's on my off days from the gym.

 

[aminoman74]

It's contained to skeletal muscles. Organs are not effected by MGF. I like to dose Peg at 300-400mcg's on my off days from the gym.

Are you sure organs are not effected by mgf since mgf breaks down as igf-1 and the gut has the most igf-1 recepters.

 

[Pittsburgh63]

Are you sure organs are not effected by mgf since mgf breaks down as igf-1 and the gut has the most igf-1 recepters.

Not at the doses being run. If you ran a ridiculous dose, then yes, it could have that potential.

 

[aminoman74]

Will im on lr3 mgf peg-mgf. So I might have a gut of a pro soon lol