Cruise and Blast Help...Test C and P; Deca; Tren A; HGH; Var;

[EatandGrow]

5'8"
185 lbs.
13% bf
1,000 lb raw bench/squat/deadlift

Ideal for me would be 195lbs. / 10-12% bf / 1,200 lb raw bench/squat/deadlift. No specific time frame to get there, simply enjoying the ride

Cruise package (2 years and counting):

200mg Test C/week
40mg Var/d
2ius HGH/d
500iu HCG 2x per week
0.5 adex eod

Two previous blasts (10 weeks each):

500mg Test C
80mg Var
4ius HGH
500iu HCG 2x per week
0.5 adex eod

3rd blast in progress (week 12 of 18)

750mg Test C
400mg Deca
80mg Var
4ius HGH
500iu HCG 2x per week
Formeron 2 pumps ed

I want to take the Test down to 350mg/week for two reasons:

a) cholesterol and RBC moving against me (yes I can donate blood to solve the RBC but not ideal long-term solution)

b) I am hitting a wall and want to shock the system a bit and backload this blast with 350mg Tren A/week for 6 weeks

My questions:
1) Can I simply stop the Deca and replace with 50mg Tren A ed?
2) Will replacing the cyp with prop for 6 weeks make any difference? Could I/should I run a cyp/prop combo?

Thanks in advance for your help, especially from those that have run similar cycles...

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Well right off the bat the var is going to fuck up your lipid profile far worse than the test.

Personally I would blast on at least 2x more like 3x that amount of test.... but that's me....and I take things to the limit...

Yes you can drop the deca for tren ace.. and you will get much leaner on the ace if that's your goal.

Yes prop will make a difference vrs. Cyp because of the ester weight. 100mgs of cyp is giving you 72mgs of actual testosterone... prop is going to give you 86 or something around there (can't remember exactly)

Yes you can blend prop and cyp or anything else oil based together. Especially test...that's kind of a stupid question no offence...what do you think sustanon is?

Also var sucks so unless you have the in abundance I would trade it out right away. And you sure as fuck don't need to be running that or any oral year round, that's level one shit dude.

How long have you been juicing cause this imo...is pretty poorly designed

 

[EatandGrow]

Well right off the bat the var is going to fuck up your lipid profile far worse than the test.

Personally I would blast on at least 2x more like 3x that amount of test.... but that's me....and I take things to the limit...

Yes you can drop the deca for tren ace.. and you will get much leaner on the ace if that's your goal.

Yes prop will make a difference vrs. Cyp because of the ester weight. 100mgs of cyp is giving you 72mgs of actual testosterone... prop is going to give you 86 or something around there (can't remember exactly)

Yes you can blend prop and cyp or anything else oil based together. Especially test...that's kind of a stupid question no offence...what do you think sustanon is?

Also var sucks so unless you have the in abundance I would trade it out right away. And you sure as fuck don't need to be running that or any oral year round, that's level one shit dude.

How long have you been juicing cause this imo...is pretty poorly designed

Hate you are a bit of hater...thanks for the feedback though...I'm not asking about the science of mixing oils...I'm asking about mixing cyp and prop in the context of cruising and backloading blasts in between..ie...Do i just backload a blast with prop for 6 weeks and go back to cyp or mix cyp and prop or just stay with cyp taking into account the variances in pinning frequency, pip, etc., etc. etc.

I have an unlimited supply of anavar..it is prescribed to me....and I'm going to have to put something back at you...anavar is the only oral that you can in fact run forever at modest doses with little to no sides on the liver...and in terms of longevity of use, maintaining gains and lack of serious long-term side effects anavar really is second to none.

And I'm a bit confused about you blasting at 2x or 3x the test....I'm blasting at 750mg/test per week, if your saying that you blast at 2.2 grams of test per week then more power to you I guess (unfortunate for the liver) I am dropping the test due to high RBC and the fact that I am adding tren (a lot of people are talking about running test at or lower then tren to reduce sides). If you have direct experience running tren with test both ways then please provide your thoughts.

 

[bobbyboy]

I ran 50 mg of anavar for 8 weeks and my liver and lipids were fucked! I run 300mg test/ week while cruising and have perfect blood work with a slight elevation of rbc/hematocrit. I donate every eight weeks and it keeps everything very close to text book normal. It is a long term solution that is very strongly recommended with yet.

 

[jadean]

I ran 50 mg of anavar for 8 weeks and my liver and lipids were fucked! I run 300mg test/ week while cruising and have perfect blood work with a slight elevation of rbc/hematocrit. I donate every eight weeks and it keeps everything very close to text book normal. It is a long term solution that is very strongly recommended with yet.

Your var was probably something else bro. Happens a lot

 

[bobbyboy]

That is vary possible.... That was the only time I've ever ran it so I had no past experience or blood work to compare it to.

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Hate you are a bit of hater...thanks for the feedback though...I'm not asking about the science of mixing oils...I'm asking about mixing cyp and prop in the context of cruising and backloading blasts in between..ie...Do i just backload a blast with prop for 6 weeks and go back to cyp or mix cyp and prop or just stay with cyp taking into account the variances in pinning frequency, pip, etc., etc. etc.

I have an unlimited supply of anavar..it is prescribed to me....and I'm going to have to put something back at you...anavar is the only oral that you can in fact run forever at modest doses with little to no sides on the liver...and in terms of longevity of use, maintaining gains and lack of serious long-term side effects anavar really is second to none.

And I'm a bit confused about you blasting at 2x or 3x the test....I'm blasting at 750mg/test per week, if your saying that you blast at 2.2 grams of test per week then more power to you I guess (unfortunate for the liver) I am dropping the test due to high RBC and the fact that I am adding tren (a lot of people are talking about running test at or lower then tren to reduce sides). If you have direct experience running tren with test both ways then please provide your thoughts.

Yeah... I have run test and tren every way you can. The test dose should be 2x of the dose of tren to prevent sides....which isnt hard because if you have never used tren 300-400mgs a week will give amazing gains. And I I don't give a fuck what oral your running and yes var is a more mild one, but it is still a 17a, methylated AAS so it can fuck up your lipids and cause liver stress. Anadrol or sd type liver values, no, but "stress" and yes I have seen tons of guys with bad bloods after running var solo at moderate doses...

Go ahead and run tren solo to "prevent sides" big guy...let me know how that works out for ya....

 

[EatandGrow]

Yeah... I have run test and tren every way you can. The test dose should be 2x of the dose of tren to prevent sides....which isnt hard because if you have never used tren 300-400mgs a week will give amazing gains. And I I don't give a fuck what oral your running and yes var is a more mild one, but it is still a 17a, methylated AAS so it can fuck up your lipids and cause liver stress. Anadrol or sd type liver values, no, but "stress" and yes I have seen tons of guys with bad bloods after running var solo at moderate doses...

Go ahead and run tren solo to "prevent sides" big guy...let me know how that works out for ya....

Thanks H4TW...My experience with AAS is as laid out...2 years cruising with 3 said blasts (3rd one in progress)...I'm 35 years old btw...I'll def keep an eye on the var and its effect on my labs (I get them done every six weeks)...

I think I was confusing myself reading the hundreds of broscience threads on test to tren ratios and tren sides (and I probably lost more sleep thinking about how to run the tren and test than I will lose from trensomnia)...the only way to really learn is man up and see how the body reacts....I decided to leave the test at 750mg/week (200 cyp 2x / 50 prop ed) and run the tren at 75mg/day...

One other question...I've been pinning cyp and deca (together cause oils can be mixed..lol) in my glutes for the last two years...never experienced pip...I wanted to see how prop alone would feel and pinned just prop (50mg) in the right glute...pip flared up within a few hours and lasted about a full day...still have a golf ball sticking out of my glute but no real pain...the next day I mixed the prop with the tren and some cyp and hit the left glute...smooth as silk, no pip, no swelling, just as it always has been. Yesterday I pinned just prop and tren together in the quad....same story...no pip no swelling...

Is there a precedence for reducing/eliminating prop pain by mixing it with other oils??

Thanks

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Thanks H4TW...My experience with AAS is as laid out...2 years cruising with 3 said blasts (3rd one in progress)...I'm 35 years old btw...I'll def keep an eye on the var and its effect on my labs (I get them done every six weeks)...

I think I was confusing myself reading the hundreds of broscience threads on test to tren ratios and tren sides (and I probably lost more sleep thinking about how to run the tren and test than I will lose from trensomnia)...the only way to really learn is man up and see how the body reacts....I decided to leave the test at 750mg/week (200 cyp 2x / 50 prop ed) and run the tren at 75mg/day...

One other question...I've been pinning cyp and deca (together cause oils can be mixed..lol) in my glutes for the last two years...never experienced pip...I wanted to see how prop alone would feel and pinned just prop (50mg) in the right glute...pip flared up within a few hours and lasted about a full day...still have a golf ball sticking out of my glute but no real pain...the next day I mixed the prop with the tren and some cyp and hit the left glute...smooth as silk, no pip, no swelling, just as it always has been. Yesterday I pinned just prop and tren together in the quad....same story...no pip no swelling...

Is there a precedence for reducing/eliminating prop pain by mixing it with other oils??

Thanks

Whoa! I'd slow my roll on that tren there sir!! Going at it the first time 525mgs a week is WAY to much!! Cut that shit back to 50mgs ed or 75mgs eod. You don't have to pin that shit everyday unless you're bored and you just want to.

But in all seriousness 525mgs a week of ace is a bit too high. I didn't take it that high until the 3rd time I ran it. 375mgs a week is about perfect for the first few runs. You will see crazy gains off of that, trust me.

No I don't think that there is any real "precedence" as it where for mixing the prop with other oils. It's more mixing the propionate ester with other esters to lessen injection pain I believe.. Prop fucking KILLS me just doing 2-3mls or so eod and I have run TNE for months at a time doing 2-3 injects a day with much less pain!

I always mix my prop with something or water it down myself with gso. Some guys react better to it that others. Main two reasons: sometimes prop is mixed in Ethyl Oleate to get it to hold at a decent dose instead of using BB BA and oil... LOTS of people are allergic to EO, also lots of people respond poorly to the prop ester so between those two scenarios ....you get where I'm going with this.

I'm running prop atm as my base... Have used it before in blends but this is the first time by itself... NEVER AGAIN

 

[aminoman74]

I always cruse with test at 250 a week.when you are balsting i do cycles for 12 weeks at a time.I just got done with test tren for 12 weeks now i jumped to test eq and deca as i raised the test.

 

[EatandGrow]

Good input H4TW...I will drop the tren to 375mg/week if the sides become too much...I also like to push things and learn by trial and error...if i turns out that 525mg/week is too much I'll own up to it...the prop issues you write about really gets to the heart of one of my original questions, is the addition of prop to my test c blast 12 weeks in really worth the hassle of trying to manage potential prop pip...or would I be ok to simply pin the test c 2x week (also keeping in mind there is no pct here as I will continue to cruise on test c)....again maybe an ignorant question because "test is test" but I was thinking that at the tail end of long-ester cycles/blasts the additon of prop would shake your receptors up a bit?? But is it enough to notice any difference??

Whoa! I'd slow my roll on that tren there sir!! Going at it the first time 525mgs a week is WAY to much!! Cut that shit back to 50mgs ed or 75mgs eod. You don't have to pin that shit everyday unless you're bored and you just want to.

But in all seriousness 525mgs a week of ace is a bit too high. I didn't take it that high until the 3rd time I ran it. 375mgs a week is about perfect for the first few runs. You will see crazy gains off of that, trust me.

No I don't think that there is any real "precedence" as it where for mixing the prop with other oils. It's more mixing the propionate ester with other esters to lessen injection pain I believe.. Prop fucking KILLS me just doing 2-3mls or so eod and I have run TNE for months at a time doing 2-3 injects a day with much less pain!

I always mix my prop with something or water it down myself with gso. Some guys react better to it that others. Main two reasons: sometimes prop is mixed in Ethyl Oleate to get it to hold at a decent dose instead of using BB BA and oil... LOTS of people are allergic to EO, also lots of people respond poorly to the prop ester so between those two scenarios ....you get where I'm going with this.

I'm running prop atm as my base... Have used it before in blends but this is the first time by itself... NEVER AGAIN

 

[EatandGrow]

Thanks aminoman....how much test and tren during this latest blast? Results...feedback...sides??

I always cruse with test at 250 a week.when you are balsting i do cycles for 12 weeks at a time.I just got done with test tren for 12 weeks now i jumped to test eq and deca as i raised the test.

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

Good input H4TW...I will drop the tren to 375mg/week if the sides become too much...I also like to push things and learn by trial and error...if i turns out that 525mg/week is too much I'll own up to it...the prop issues you write about really gets to the heart of one of my original questions, is the addition of prop to my test c blast 12 weeks in really worth the hassle of trying to manage potential prop pip...or would I be ok to simply pin the test c 2x week (also keeping in mind there is no pct here as I will continue to cruise on test c)....again maybe an ignorant question because "test is test" but I was thinking that at the tail end of long-ester cycles/blasts the additon of prop would shake your receptors up a bit?? But is it enough to notice any difference??

Umm I don't think it's going to do much in the way of resensitizing your receptors for lack of a better term but changing the anabolic, adding in different compounds and or upping the test dose will keep gains going once they have stalled. If you have the prop you might as well use it imo.. I'd blend it with the cyp and pin eod.

You really should pin cyp 2x a week to keep your hormone levels as stable as possible anyways.

I usually pyramid my test dose up during a given run especially if it's a longer cycle.

Example:
Weeks 1-5
Test 750

Weeks 6-11
Test 1,000mgs

Weeks 12-16
Test 1,500mgs


Or

Weeks 1-5
Test 750mgs

Weeks 6-12
Test 750mgs
Tren Ace, 450mgs
Dbol 50mgs ed

You can arrange it anyway you like but once gains slow..and they always do, you need to either bump the dose of test and or add in new compounds to the mix..

 

[overburdened]

whoa! I'd slow my roll on that tren there sir!! Going at it the first time 525mgs a week is way to much!! Cut that shit back to 50mgs ed or 75mgs eod. You don't have to pin that shit everyday unless you're bored and you just want to.

But in all seriousness 525mgs a week of ace is a bit too high. I didn't take it that high until the 3rd time i ran it. 375mgs a week is about perfect for the first few runs. You will see crazy gains off of that, trust me.

No i don't think that there is any real "precedence" as it where for mixing the prop with other oils. It's more mixing the propionate ester with other esters to lessen injection pain i believe.. Prop fucking kills me just doing 2-3mls or so eod and i have run tne for months at a time doing 2-3 injects a day with much less pain!

I always mix my prop with something or water it down myself with gso. Some guys react better to it that others. Main two reasons: Sometimes prop is mixed in ethyl oleate to get it to hold at a decent dose instead of using bb ba and oil... Lots of people are allergic to eo, also lots of people respond poorly to the prop ester so between those two scenarios ....you get where i'm going with this.

I'm running prop atm as my base... Have used it before in blends but this is the first time by itself... Never again

pussy!!! Thats good prop... Why you hatin?

 

[overburdened]

[I was thinking that at the tail end of long-ester cycles/blasts the additon of prop would shake your receptors up a bit??}

its test, no matter how you look at it.... the ester isn't what attaches to the AR, the test, once is de esterized, is what attaches to the AR

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

pussy!!! Thats good prop... Why you hatin?

IDK...let me see. Yep I still have a knot in my ass from last fuckin week!!

Delt's fine though... I think it's a bit on the strong side sir.... could be possible.

 

[overburdened]

IDK...let me see. Yep I still have a knot in my ass from last fuckin week!!

Delt's fine though... I think it's a bit on the strong side sir.... could be possible.

that's how the lab rats like it.... quit being a pussy!!!

 

[Hate4TheWeak]

I am sorry... I will try harder.


But when I did it it didn't hurt...

IDK, Maybe you don't know how to pin? I can send you some links if you'd like.... it may help? rolf.... shut up! Whatever you're going to say, just save it....

 

[overburdened]

I am sorry... I will try harder.


But when I did it it didn't hurt...

IDK, Maybe you don't know how to pin? I can send you some links if you'd like.... it may help? rolf.... shut up! Whatever you're going to say, just save it....

I'll tell those bastards to make you some at 10mg/ml... that way your pussy won't hurt next time..
pussy! I just hit a female lab rat with 3 ml a couple days ago..... she didnt cry like you...lol