MLG Test E + ManPower AI

[Pumped340]

Week 3-4 into MLG's Test E at 500mg/week + 30mg superdrol/day + 0.5mg ManPowers Adex EOD:
SGPT (ALT): 628 (9-60 U/L)
SGOT (AST): 189 (10-40 U/L)
Testosterone, Total: 1706 (250-1100 ng/dL)
Testosterone, Bioavailable: 1575.0 (110-575 ng/dL)
Testosterone, Free: 898 (46-224.0 pg/mL)
Androstenedione: 236 (50-220 ng/dL)
SHBG: 3 (10-50 nmol/L)
Estradiol: 58 (<39 pg/mL)
DHEA Sulfate: 167 (110-510 mcg/dL)
Total Cholesterol- 149 (125-200mg/dL)
HDL- 26 (>40mg/dL)
LDL- 114 (<130 mg/dL)

Week 6 into MLG's Test E at 500mg/week + 2.5mg ManPowers Letro ED:
SGPT (ALT): 92 (9-60 U/L)
SGOT (AST): 33 (10-40 U/L)
Bilirubin, Total: 0.6 (0.2-1.2 mg/dL)
Testosterone, Total: 2287 (250-1100 ng/dL)
Testosterone, Bioavailable: 1407 (110-575 ng/dL)
Testosterone, Free: 765 (46-224.0 pg/mL)
Androstenedione: 189 (50-220 ng/dL)
17 HydroxyProgesterone: 10 (32-307 ng/dL)
SHBG: 21 (10-50 nmol/L)
Estradiol: 53 (<39 pg/mL)
FSH: <0.7 (1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)
LH: <0.2 (1.5-9.4 mIU/mL)
DHEA Sulfate: 165 (110-510 mcg/dL)
Total Cholesterol- 96 (125-200mg/dL)
HDL- 40 (>40mg/dL)
LDL- 50 (<130 mg/dL)


What do you guys think? For reference, my E measured 3 times off cycle was 46, 46, then 16 (surprised) right before this cycle. E while on a designer steroid with no AI was 111. It looks like MLG's Test is good to go but what about ManPower's AI? ~55 both times which is about half of what it was with no AI on a designer steroid cycle but then again it's hard to believe 2.5mg of letro ED would have levels around the same as 0.5mg adex EOD. Maybe his adex is a little underdosed and the letro is really underdosed or something?

 

[Mkpaint]

thanks for posting labs i'm on mlg test e right now just finishing 3rd week and feeling good. looks like your ai is bunk or underdosed. why not try some fomeron?

 

[persianprince23]

sooo its safe to say manpower ai's are garbage

 

[Pumped340]

thanks for posting labs i'm on mlg test e right now just finishing 3rd week and feeling good. looks like your ai is bunk or underdosed. why not try some fomeron?

I haven't really looked into it, or heard much at all about it to be honest. I am considering switching over to ResearchStop because it seems MP has had numerous issues regarding their AI's. Still though it seems like maybe it's doing something considering I'm on 500mg TE/week and when I was just on a designer steroid ("Monster Plexx") it was 111 within 6 days of starting (and no AI). But again the fact that its so close with 0.5mg adex EOD and 2.5mg Letro ED seems very odd. I'm back on the adex for this last week of cycle dosing it at 1mg ED

 

[Pumped340]

sooo its safe to say manpower ai's are garbage

There definitely seem to be some issues with his AI's based on the blood work I've seen. Around what do you think E should have been given those doses?

Also, after my designer steroid cycle I did nolva at 40/40/20/10 followed by 2 weeks of the same adex at 0.25mg EOD. At the end of those final 2 weeks I had blood work done and Test came back at 800, E at 46 and FSH and LH through the roof. I thought that was proof at the time that the adex was legit, but maybe it was a residual effect from the nolva? I really don't know but was off any nolva for 2 weeks at that point so assumed it was the adex.

 

[Buckeye Fan]

Looks like your test is underdosed too bro. 500mg a week you should be into the 2500 range.

 

[Ezskanken]

You aren't that far out of range on your estro right? That's a range the average person, who is not on a cycle, you need a little estro in you while cycling. Am I right or totally off? Still trying to understand this. I think people are set on keeping their estro in normal range, but what is your estro when not using an AI on a similar cycle? I think Heavy said a good AI will cut your estro in half, but that is the only way to tell how well your AI is actually working.

 

[Buckeye Fan]

Disreguard my post I read the Testosterone Bioavailable not Total.

 

[Buckeye Fan]

You aren't that far out of range on your estro right? That's a range the average person, who is not on a cycle, you need a little estro in you while cycling. Am I right or totally off? Still trying to understand this. I think people are set on keeping their estro in normal range, but what is your estro when not using an AI on a similar cycle? I think Heavy said a good AI will cut your estro in half, but that is the only way to tell how well your AI is actually working.

He's also running a very low dose of the Arimidex, so that may not be bunk. The letro is def. bunk, at that dosage he should be close to 0!

 

[persianprince23]

this would be a good ? for heavy or exphys88

 

[Pumped340]

You aren't that far out of range on your estro right? That's a range the average person, who is not on a cycle, you need a little estro in you while cycling. Am I right or totally off? Still trying to understand this. I think people are set on keeping their estro in normal range, but what is your estro when not using an AI on a similar cycle? I think Heavy said a good AI will cut your estro in half, but that is the only way to tell how well your AI is actually working.

I have wondered the same thing. I have seen an advanced lifter say that all AI's really only cut estrogen by about 50% and as you can see my E is exactly 50% of what it was 6 days into my designer steroid cycle during which I used no AI. Having said that, I have seen peoples blood work having T in the 4000's while E is as low as 15 so that makes me think you can have E that low with a legit AI. This is only my 2nd cycle (first legit cycle) so I have never had blood work done with a similar cycle with no AI, and would be scared to do so to be honest.

Looks like your test is underdosed too bro. 500mg a week you should be into the 2500 range.

Considering it's UG I wouldn't be surprised, but in my 2nd blood test when Test E would have built up to its highest point it's pretty close to that

He's also running a very low dose of the Arimidex, so that may not be bunk. The letro is def. bunk, at that dosage he should be close to 0!

Thats what I'm thinking, maybe the Adex is good but the letro is bunk. But then again if E is "down" to 53 on there maybe it's just really underdosed? I don't know. But am back on the adex at 1mg ED for now

 

[Pumped340]

After my designer steroid cycle I did nolva at 40/40/20/10 followed by 2 weeks of the same adex at 0.25mg EOD. At the end of those final 2 weeks I had blood work done and Test came back at 800, E at 46 and FSH and LH through the roof. I thought that was proof at the time that the adex was legit, but maybe it was a residual effect from the nolva? I really don't know but was off any nolva for 2 weeks at that point so assumed it was the adex.

Also if anyone has thoughts on the above I'd be interested. I seemed to recover fine with my PCT after my DS cycle. A month after PCT my test was 516 (highest its ever been) and E was 16 (lowest its ever been). Maybe the nolva is good but the AI is bunk. Hopefully, considering I have PCT coming up in a week.

 

[FTW34]

when was blood drawn? when was last inject?

 

[bulldogz]

Looks like the adex is underdosed and the letro is garbage since letro would have your lipids all over the place and your lipids seem to normalized while on letro..lol...

Plus that SD taxed your liver...

 

[Pumped340]

when was blood drawn? when was last inject?

Blood was drawn on friday morning both times I believe and last inject before each was 250mg TE tuesday night. AI dosed every day

Looks like the adex is underdosed and the letro is garbage since letro would have your lipids all over the place and your lipids seem to normalized while on letro..lol...

Plus that SD taxed your liver...

I noticed in your other thread that you said dbol messed up your liver values even more than SD? I was hoping to try Dbol next cycle but now I don't know. What worries me more is the lipid values because from what I understand liver enzymes going back to normal have little residual effect but that lipid values being screwed up has a cumulative negative effect

ManPower sent me 2 more letros but I don't know if I should even bother with them. I mean 53 isn't terrible for E during a cycle but still.

 

[rocker44]

what lab did ya use that gave you results over 1500 ?

 

[Pumped340]

what lab did ya use that gave you results over 1500 ?

Quest Diagnostics

 

[bulldogz]

I noticed in your other thread that you said dbol messed up your liver values even more than SD? I was hoping to try Dbol next cycle but now I don't know. What worries me more is the lipid values because from what I understand liver enzymes going back to normal have little residual effect but that lipid values being screwed up has a cumulative negative effect

ManPower sent me 2 more letros but I don't know if I should even bother with them. I mean 53 isn't terrible for E during a cycle but still.

I believe the guaiacol in the TNE I was taking while on cycle also messed with my liver values on top of the dbol...

A few years back I would take SD and phera and my liver values would be high but nothing like recently while on TNE and dbol...

If you eat clean enough your lipids should not be effect too much (unless you are taking letro), plus lipids also normalize after cycle if taken proper precautions

 

[Pumped340]

I believe the guaiacol in the TNE I was taking while on cycle also messed with my liver values on top of the dbol...

A few years back I would take SD and phera and my liver values would be high but nothing like recently while on TNE and dbol...

If you eat clean enough your lipids should not be effect too much (unless you are taking letro), plus lipids also normalize after cycle if taken proper precautions

From what I understand though there is a cumulative effect with bad lipid values, but not so much with bad liver values. Either way I think I will try out the dbol and see how it works, but will probably give up superdrol even though I think it's a very solid addition results wise.

 

[rocker44]

Quest Diagnostics

did you use a online site to request labs for ya, if so what was it ?

 

[Genetikfightr]

Seems that manpowers aI's are junk. The caber and fat burners are definitely good to go.


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[antonoverlord]

well idk man if i take 1mg of the adex from mp it makes me so dry feeling i get this thirst thats unquenchable and i know the nolva from mp is legit cause wo i get bad gyno so idk damnitt

 

[Pumped340]

did you use a online site to request labs for ya, if so what was it ?

No I just went to an endocrinologist. Told him I was on DAA when he saw the results

Seems that manpowers aI's are junk. The caber and fat burners are definitely good to go.


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I hear good things about his caber, I took a low dose and think I may have felt something but its hard to know. His T3 and CEC stack are definitely legit. It's just the AI's I hear problems about, especially the aromasin. I have heard very little regarding his SERMs

well idk man if i take 1mg of the adex from mp it makes me so dry feeling i get this thirst thats unquenchable and i know the nolva from mp is legit cause wo i get bad gyno so idk damnitt

Yea I don't know either. I would think my estrogen would be higher if it was completely fake because I have seen people at 2-800 for E2 on a similar amount of Test as me. I have been taking 1mg/day these last few days, can't say I notice much of a difference, maybe a little drier but I don't know.

 

[FTW34]

Anyone else notice, on the second test his total T was higher, but his free T went down? this is intresting. Anyone have any thoughts? i figured the higher ur total, the higher your free, this is obviously not the case, perhaps i should invest in proviron, from what i understand it raises ur free t substantially

 

[Pumped340]

Anyone else notice, on the second test his total T was higher, but his free T went down? this is intresting. Anyone have any thoughts? i figured the higher ur total, the higher your free, this is obviously not the case, perhaps i should invest in proviron, from what i understand it raises ur free t substantially

My theory is that it occured since I was on super-dmz for the 1st 4 weeks that was binding to the same places Test would bind, thus allowing more of the T to be free. When I got the 2nd blood test I was off the super-dmz for 2-3 weeks so I would think that made more space for the T to be bound.

 

[gamma]

Looks like the adex is underdosed and the letro is garbage since letro would have your lipids all over the place and your lipids seem to normalized while on letro..lol...

Plus that SD taxed your liver...

Bingo!! I was reading down and like damn nobody mentioned the liver values ...bro your liver needs a break , those numbers are way to high . I would say A.I. is maybe under dosed but not bunk.

 

[keith1569]

Least ur liver values dropped a lot on the second test. Also your t-bilirubin score is within range.
What company did u use to get your labs?

 

[malfeasance]

Looks like your test is underdosed too bro. 500mg a week you should be into the 2500 range.

We'll get a test following the actual protocol soon.

 

[Pumped340]

Bingo!! I was reading down and like damn nobody mentioned the liver values ...bro your liver needs a break , those numbers are way to high . I would say A.I. is maybe under dosed but not bunk.

Thats what I'm thinking/hoping so I can just up the AI dose. and yea maybe I should avoid SD in the future :\

Least ur liver values dropped a lot on the second test. Also your t-bilirubin score is within range.
What company did u use to get your labs?

I have heard people say as long as the liver goes back to normal in a reasonable time frame there is no lasting damage, but I don't know either way. Anyone know? I used Quest Diagnostics

 

[Buckeye Fan]

That's correct get some liv 52 or on cycle support and liver juice and pound that some more. Up your ARimidex dosage and retest in 10 days. The Letro is bunk don't waste ur time with it.