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Pissed off retired member of SEAL Team 6 launches anti-Obama PAC

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A new super PAC that includes retired special operations personnel and other veterans announced plans Wednesday to raise money to run ads in swing states against President Obama.

The group, Special Operations for America, filed paperwork Monday with the Federal Election Commission. It is headed by retired Navy SEAL Commander Ryan Zinke. During his 23-year career, Zinke spent time in the Navy's elite SEAL Team 6, the same team that killed Osama bin Laden in a commando raid last year.


Zinke said he and other members of the special operations community are outraged that SEAL Team 6 was identified as the commando unit that carried out the raid, saying it put its members and their families at risk. Zinke said he believes the president has politicized his role as commander in chief to win re-election.


"Who was it at risk?" he said. "Was it the president? Or was it the young SEAL with the wife and kid at home? That's the arrogance."


Zinke, a Republican state senator from Montana, said the group also objects to deep military cuts and increases in health care costs to veterans. While he agreed there's room for cuts in military spending, he said the $1.1 trillion in cuts over 10 years that could start at the end of the year are too deep.


Officials with the group claim membership is in the "hundreds" and growing, although there is no way to confirm the number. And while spokesman Scott Hommel said the group is in negotiations with donors and is aiming for a budget of $10 million, records indicate it currently has assets of only $60.


Special Operations for America is registered as a 527 group, and it can take unlimited amounts of money from contributors. Whatever money the organization eventually raises, Hommel said, would be used to air ads in swing states targeted on veterans issues.


Rob Diamond, the national veterans and military families vote director for the Obama campaign, said the president "has their backs" when it comes to veterans and military families, and the president's record is a "stark contrast" to Mitt Romney's. He said Romney has refused to outline plans for veterans, has suggested that health services provided by Veterans Affairs be privatized and has failed to put forth a specific jobs proposal to get veterans back to work.


"Even worse, his reckless and na?ve statements about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan show that he would prefer our servicemen and women remain overseas, indefinitely fighting in wars he has no strategy to lead and no plan to end," Diamond said in a statement.


But Benjamin Smith, who spent six years as a SEAL, said he is upset by the level of detail that emerged about the bin Laden operation. Special operations personnel have a mystique that depends on secrecy, and details about the use of stealth helicopters and other information that leaked about the operation run counter to the way they conduct themselves.


"That right there to any operator is blasphemy," said Smith, 36, of Wilmington, N.C. "It's insulting. It made me sick to my stomach."


Not all members of the new super PAC are veterans, Zinke said. Members are "people who have been successful on the battlefield or in business." Its board includes former Republican Sen. Conrad Burns of Montana and former Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons, and it has ties to the conservative groups Stand Up for America and Veterans for a Strong America.


"It's a good group of guys, and they're going to come out swinging," said Joel Arends, an Iraq Army veteran and chairman of Veterans for a Strong America.


But Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia's Center for Politics said there's debate over how much influence these types of groups have in presidential elections.


Sabato thinks macro issues drive presidential elections, issues such as the economy, war and peace and scandals. In this election, the campaigns for Obama and presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney have been competently run so far, he said.


Still, polls generally give Romney an edge with veterans, he said, and such groups can have an effect on the margins. But they aren't the deciding forces.
"I don't think it will be one of the things we'll cite after the election's over," he said.
 
that whole Bin Laden - Seal Team 6 thing stinks to high hell. because in Oct 2007 during a interview Benazir Bhutto stated that Bin Laden had been killed years earlier then Dec 2007 she was assassinated. even that douche-bag Colonel Bob Pappas even stated the same thing. the odds are are the members of Seal Team 6 that were killed were sacrificed because of what they knew. SEALS NEVER travel in Chinooks and the modified MH-60's cruise at over 50MPH faster. there would be no logical reason to put them in a Chinook.
 
that whole Bin Laden - Seal Team 6 thing stinks to high hell. because in Oct 2007 during a interview Benazir Bhutto stated that Bin Laden had been killed years earlier then Dec 2007 she was assassinated. even that douche-bag Colonel Bob Pappas even stated the same thing. the odds are are the members of Seal Team 6 that were killed were sacrificed because of what they knew. SEALS NEVER travel in Chinooks and the modified MH-60's cruise at over 50MPH faster. there would be no logical reason to put them in a Chinook.
And the fact that they were all in one vehicle is a rookie error. Even a child knows not to put all your eggs in one basket.
 
The SEALS did NOT travel in Chinooks. They traveled in modified blackhawks with stealth skin.

Pakistan Let China See SEAL Team 6 Helicopter | TheBlaze.com

New SEAL Team 6 Book: bin Laden Was Shot Dead Within 90 Seconds | TheBlaze.com

How Did They Kill Usama Bin Laden??|?GLOBALCONFLICTMAPS.COM

**In all fairness, Chinooks were probably used as SAC, and utilized to carry away large amounts of evidence, etc, but the helos that actually carried the SEALS in were modified BHWKS. LAM is correct, chinooks are incredibly slow. They're built to be work horses not for manueverability and stealthiness. (sp)
 
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Here is something VERY similiar to what they traveled in.
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I would bet the bank that the person shot by ST6 was a double. there are to many reports from foreign intelligence agency's that state he died in the early 2000's. along with the fact that there were numerous speeches at the war college, etc. given by high ups in the US military that neglected to ever mention him, etc. for many years. seems odd that the wouldn't mention the person that was supposedly behind 9-11.
 
I would bet the bank that the person shot by ST6 was a double. there are to many reports from foreign intelligence agency's that state he died in the early 2000's. along with the fact that there were numerous speeches at the war college, etc. given by high ups in the US military that neglected to ever mention him, etc. for many years. seems odd that the wouldn't mention the person that was supposedly behind 9-11.

I know the government is shady, but I don't buy into this specific conspiracy theory. Why would we escalate tensions with Pakistan over an OBL Double? If he was killed in the early 2000's, what advantage did the United States have to cover it up and not release the info?

I guess you could say we wanted to stay over there and continue hunting down and killing HLT's, but I think that's far-reaching.

Although, I do find it odd that the Obama administration wouldn't release photos of the body. They killed him, escorted him out, put him on a Nimitz, then hurried him in less than 84 hours. That's really odd to me. We showed photos of Saddam, why not OBL?

When I was in Afghanistan, if a HVT was killed, the body was preserved for weeks, sometimes months for verification, evidence, etc. Bin Ladens's was over and done with before as quickly as it started.
 
I know the government is shady, but I don't buy into this specific conspiracy theory. Why would we escalate tensions with Pakistan over an OBL Double? If he was killed in the early 2000's, what advantage did the United States have to cover it up and not release the info?

I guess you could say we wanted to stay over there and continue hunting down and killing HLT's, but I think that's far-reaching.

Although, I do find it odd that the Obama administration wouldn't release photos of the body. They killed him, escorted him out, put him on a Nimitz, then hurried him in less than 84 hours. That's really odd to me. We showed photos of Saddam, why not OBL?

When I was in Afghanistan, if a HVT was killed, the body was preserved for weeks, sometimes months for verification, evidence, etc. Bin Ladens's was over and done with before as quickly as it started.

Pakistan is a non-threat to the US, their economy is very small at less than 500B annually. and it's mainly light industrial and not a lot of in demand natural resources. and they are not a big fan of the US to begin with. people have forgotten that the British and the US have been fucking around in the middle east for the past 60 years.

remember that Hitler was supposed to have been killed also but the remains that were found by the Russians did not match his DNA when they were tested. the burial that they gave Bin Laden was highly suspicious and that's according to my gf who's a mortician/funeral director and has made arrangements for every religion and nationality over the decades. when there is no physical evidence to support a story. the whole Bin Laden 9-11 thing never held much water to begin with.

I question everything the US gov claims to be factual, especially when it comes to terrorism and info provided by US "security agency's".
 
The same government that took 10 years to find Osama, and is incapable of anything logical, would just up an assinate some of our best assets. No sir our government is not that good. We like to think they can pull stunts like in the movies, but it just doesnt happen that way in real life.
The only theory that sounds remotely logical is its a staged crash. The seals were put into retirement to head off possible retailition to the families of the men who killed Osama and ease relations with pakistan.
 
Ahhhh, the sweet smell of conspiracy first thing in the morning.
 
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well let's there there was not one single body or piece of luggage found at either the Pentagon or in Schwenksville PA, so those were blantant lies. Building 7 in NY wasn't hit by a plane "caught" on fire and the owner reported telling the fire dept to "pull it"...well there is no fire debt in the US that is trained in demolition and it takes months to wire a building. and if you look at the pictures of the twin towers you can see people looking out of the entrance holes that the planes made. that must have been one hot fire in there. people even reported seeing plain nondescript vans arrive at the twin towers at night after the cleaning crews left for months. who were those people? and what were they doing? the governments story is so full of hole it's ridiculous.

that's the thing about telling big lies, they have to be followed up with more and more lies

those people in the towers were sacrificed just like when FDR moved the Pacific Fleet to Pearl when it was known there was weaknesses from air attack from certain directions. just to get the US into WWII. the towers were used to get the US a free pass to invade the middle east....once again history repeats itself and it's plain as day...
 
This conspiracy theory is nuts. The dr who did the DNA test that confirmed it was OBL before we raided is still locked up from what I understand. And one of his wives has given an interview. Do you expect us to believe she couldn't tell the difference between her husband and a double?
 
The SEALS did NOT travel in Chinooks. They traveled in modified blackhawks with stealth skin.

Pakistan Let China See SEAL Team 6 Helicopter | TheBlaze.com

New SEAL Team 6 Book: bin Laden Was Shot Dead Within 90 Seconds | TheBlaze.com

How Did They Kill Usama Bin Laden??|?GLOBALCONFLICTMAPS.COM

**In all fairness, Chinooks were probably used as SAC, and utilized to carry away large amounts of evidence, etc, but the helos that actually carried the SEALS in were modified BHWKS. LAM is correct, chinooks are incredibly slow. They're built to be work horses not for manueverability and stealthiness. (sp)

He's talking about weeks later when most of ST6 was shot down in Afghanistan in a Chinook in a later mission. Which is what I was talking about when I said you don't put all your eggs in one basket. It's basic OP you put guys in several vehicles so if one goes down the rest can continue the mission or at least provide support....
 
He's talking about weeks later when most of ST6 was shot down in Afghanistan in a Chinook in a later mission. Which is what I was talking about when I said you don't put all your eggs in one basket. It's basic OP you put guys in several vehicles so if one goes down the rest can continue the mission or at least provide support....

Afghanistan is a whole different ball game with the tedious terrain. It wasn't uncommon for SF's to travel short distances in Chinooks. It was the only safe mode of transport with that type of terrain. The rotor wash from the blackhawks would be too dangerous in the rugged terrain during LO and TD's.
 
Afghanistan is a whole different ball game with the tedious terrain. It wasn't uncommon for SF's to travel short distances in Chinooks. It was the only safe mode of transport with that type of terrain. The rotor wash from the blackhawks would be too dangerous in the rugged terrain during LO and TD's.

Army and Marine SF troops maybe but not the Seal teams. in the Navy Seal teams are transported exclusively by special air detachments and surface/subsurface delivery teams. our boat team worked with Seal teams all the time. we dropped them off and we picked them up unless they were dropped in by air.
 
This conspiracy theory is nuts. The dr who did the DNA test that confirmed it was OBL before we raided is still locked up from what I understand. And one of his wives has given an interview. Do you expect us to believe she couldn't tell the difference between her husband and a double?

She was cloned in lab on Bush's ranch and was in fact a double herself. This makes sense because there are multiple clones of George Bush himself. Unfortunately Americans are too stupid to see the obvious truth.

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None of the Marines that were shot down in that incident were part of the team that did the OBL raid.
 
This conspiracy is too deep for me...
 
None of the Marines that were shot down in that incident were part of the team that did the OBL raid.


I'll have to double check, but the chopper that was shot down carrying members of ST6, I believe that was a Marine pilot. If it wasn't a Marine pilot, it's usually an Army pilot from the screaming eagles detachment.
 
LAM-there are no subsurface deployments in Afghanistan. :lol:
 
LAM-there are no subsurface deployments in Afghanistan. :lol:

I mentioned special air detachments that fly the modified Blackhawks (MH-60's)
 
:coffee: This conspiracy shit is way above my pay grade[food stamps] & the longer I live the less faith I have in anything..... does anyone tell the truth??????? :wits:
 
Doesnt matter what happened, we lost valuable military members and our President used the whole ordeal to gain votes claiming he killed Bin Laden. I hope someone skull fucks Obama when his lease is up at the white house. Im sure he's a nice guy, but as a President he's as worthless as my mother in law :winkfinger:
 
Doesnt matter what happened, we lost valuable military members and our President used the whole ordeal to gain votes claiming he killed Bin Laden. I hope someone skull fucks Obama when his lease is up at the white house. Im sure he's a nice guy, but as a President he's as worthless as my mother in law :winkfinger:
Isn't the same true for 99% of our politicians? Arguing about politicians is like arguing about which brand of cigarette is healthier for you....
 
Doesnt matter what happened, we lost valuable military members and our President used the whole ordeal to gain votes claiming he killed Bin Laden. I hope someone skull fucks Obama when his lease is up at the white house. Im sure he's a nice guy, but as a President he's as worthless as my mother in law :winkfinger:

it sure does matter what happened. 9-11 was used to get the Patriot Act passed along with the excuse to invade the middle east for the cost of several trillion dollars. going into debt to fund US imperialism does nothing to help the economy in the US, it weakens it.
 
Army and Marine SF troops maybe but not the Seal teams. in the Navy Seal teams are transported exclusively by special air detachments and surface/subsurface delivery teams. our boat team worked with Seal teams all the time. we dropped them off and we picked them up unless they were dropped in by air.

I'm not arguing that the Chinook is not used, it's a fact that the SEALs have been flown in on missions in Afghanistan since the beginning take 2002's Operation Anaconda Battle of Takur Ghat, members of DEVGRU(SEAL team 6) were to provide high ground recon, they were flown in by NightStalkers in an MH47 Chinook, they took fire and a SEAL fell out and died. But they did it right and split the teams between 2 MH47's. 2 more Chinooks were deployed for Quick Reaction Force response. They lost 2 Chinooks and 7 good men that day.

After gaining better intel it appears that the 20 SEALs (including one canine member)killed in the one Chinook were from the "Gold" Team, DEVGRU's Premier team, it was the "Red" Team that had operated in the Bin Laden mission. That's what was reported, but wouldn't you put your best team on one of the most important missions?
 
it sure does matter what happened. 9-11 was used to get the Patriot Act passed along with the excuse to invade the middle east for the cost of several trillion dollars. going into debt to fund US imperialism does nothing to help the economy in the US, it weakens it.

Of course it matters, my point was that Obama claimed he killed Bin Laden. He also claims business owners didnt create their own companies, someone helped them....funny i dont remember anyone helping me start my business...i only remember paying taxes and the government ass raping my revenue. I tend to go on Obama rant's so none of this really coinsides with what were talking about
 
Of course it matters, my point was that Obama claimed he killed Bin Laden. He also claims business owners didnt create their own companies, someone helped them....funny i dont remember anyone helping me start my business...i only remember paying taxes and the government ass raping my revenue. I tend to go on Obama rant's so none of this really coinsides with what were talking about

Didn't you pay taxes under Bush, Clinton,Bush2.0 as well?
 
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