Gun guys!

[jay_steel]

I haven't started yet, trying to get every thing built for it. We have our own 3 gun course though that I just run through with a basic spike tactical AR (nothing fancy but eotech and stuff) Remington 870 autoloader, and a colt 1911.

I want to get this AR finished, Benelli super sport, and a nighthawk 1911. I have to see how much money I owe for taxes this year, before i buy any more guns.

 

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Why Obama Wants Your Guns And The Rest of Your Freedoms

Second Amendment in the crosshairs
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Infowars.com
November 13, 2012

?What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people?.We have to be repetitive about this?.We need to do this every day of the week, and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.?​

Attorney General Eric Holder
?We must get rid of all the guns.?
Sarah Brady

?The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.?​

Adolph Hitler, Edict of March 18, 1938
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Gun control advocate Sarah Brady?s infamous vow to ?get rid of all the guns? has never been more prescient as we enter a second term of the Obama administration ? 18 months after Obama assured Brady during a White House meeting that gun control was ?very much on his agenda.?​

Gun sales surged before the election and panic buying continues to proliferate, with stocks of gun manufacturers like Ruger and Smith & Wesson going parabolic, as Americans prepare for an all out assault on the second amendment.​

Obama himself publicly signaled his intention to re-introduce the assault weapons ban during the second presidential debate.​

?What I?m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally,? Obama said during the debate at Hofstra University. ?Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced.?​

Obama?s anti-gun record clearly suggests he will use his lame duck term as a tool with which to eviscerate the second amendment.​

As an Illinois state senator Obama attempted to limit sales of handguns to one per month and even voted against a bill that protected firearms manufacturers from lawsuits over misuse of their products by others. Obama has consistently supported the assault weapons ban and even ridiculed gun owners during an April 2008 speech when he said small town people ?cling to guns? to express their frustration.​

Obama?s March 2011 meeting with Brady, during which he assured her that he was working ?under the radar? to assault gun rights just months before the Fast and Furious scandal broke clearly indicates that Americans may ?cling to guns? for a very salient reason ? the fear that an Obama administration with nothing to lose is set to take a huge bite out of the second amendment.​

Gun rights are already being whittled away through regulatory procedures that operate outside of the law, with the ATF last year issuing a letter ordering firearms dealers in border states to report sales of two or more semi-automatic rifles, and following it up by harassing gun owners with intimidating home visits as well as threatening gun dealers to spy on their customers.​

The ATF?s regulatory backdoor assault on gun rights is also opening the door for shotguns to be banned under the justification that they can hold more than two rounds, a move Dudley Brown, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, said ?will be the most dangerous interpretation of the 1968 Gun Control Act ever envisioned and will outlaw thousands of perfectly legitimate home defense shotguns.?​

Americans who buy a few boxes of ammunition are also being treated as suspicious individuals and questioned by police.​

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) has already resolved to push a new piece of anti-gun legislation that would, ?Ban pistol grips and ?high-capacity? magazines, eliminate any grandfathering and ban sales of ?weapons in possession?.​

The fact that Barack Obama has occasionally promised not to target the second amendment is completely meaningless., Indeed, if you look at all the other liberties his administration has savaged, the assurance that he won?t dismantle gun rights should almost be taken as a threat that he will.​

- As part of his 2008 campaign pledge, Obama promised to close down Guantanamo Bay. The Obama administration not only failed to close the infamous prison camp, they expanded its use.​

- Last year (after campaigning to protect Habeas Corpus before he was elected), Obama promised not to sign the National Defense Authorization Act, with its provisions for the indefinite detention of American citizens, yet put his signature on the bill in the dead of night on New Year?s Eve. Indeed, it was the Obama administration itself which argued for the removal of language that would have protected Americans from the provisions and then had them re-instituted after a court had struck them down.​

- As part of his campaign pitch, Obama promised to ?not use signing statements as a way of doing an end run around Congress.? Obama has issued no less than 19 signing statements since he took office.​

- In 2008, Obama promised ?no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens.? Just months after he took office, Obama expanded Bush?s warrantless wiretapping program. The invasiveness of illegal wiretapping is worse under Obama than it was under Bush.​

The History of Gun Control is the History of Tyranny​

The history of gun control tells us that state seizure of firearms is habitually used as a precursor to impose a power monopoly of the state.​

Right back to Roman times, the lower orders were disarmed of all their weapons in a bid to suffocate the political power of the people and limit their ability to voice grievances.​

Japanese warrior Toyotomi Hideyoshi was candid in explaining why the population of that country was disarmed in what came to be known as Great Sword Hunt in 1588 when he decreed: ?The possession of unnecessary implements [of war] makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues, and tends to foment uprisings.?​

Communist mastermind Chairman Mao echoed a similar sentiment when he stated, ?Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.?​

Fast forward 250 years and some of the first gun control laws in the embryonic United States were against black people, to ensure they remained slaves. Blacks were prohibited ?to keep or carry any firelock of any kind, any military weapon, or any powder or lead.?​

Adolf Hitler was also abundantly aware of the fact that the one thing which stands in the way of a repressive dictatorship is an armed population. In 1938 the Nazis banned Jews ?from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons.?​

In the 21st century, the primary vanguard of gun control has been elevated to the international level. Hours after Obama?s re-election victory, his administration joined with 150 other governments to renew its support for the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty, a process which critics have warned will set the stage for Americans to have their gun rights voted out of existence by the global body with no involvement from the US Congress or Senate.​

Whether Obama chooses to characterize his second term by declaring war on the second amendment remains to be seen, but it?s almost inevitable given that virtually every one of Obama?s promises before his 2008 election success has been broken, we will once again witness the lurching advance of big government over the next four years as cherished rights are chewed up and spat out with wanton disregard for the Constitutional foundation of the country.​

 

[jay_steel]

This is why I am retiring to Alaska, they can do their best to try to find me up there.

 

[240PLUS]

Whatever you say.

I would NEVER I mean NEVER rely on a 1911 for combat. I never cared for glock until I owned one. I'll never go back. They are great relaible handguns especially if your life depeneds on them. Why do you see LEO's with glocks and sigs.

 

[Zaphod]

Friend of mine was in Force Recon. His pistol of choice is the 1911.

 

[jay_steel]

I am just saying if I had a guy pointing a gun at me and their are two guns in the dirt 1911 and glock... I am grabbing the glock. If they are on a clean table I am grabbing the 1911

 

[ALBOB]

I would NEVER I mean NEVER rely on a 1911 for combat. I never cared for glock until I owned one. I'll never go back. They are great relaible handguns especially if your life depeneds on them. Why do you see LEO's with glocks and sigs.

As I told jay_steel, it's a Ford vs. Chevy argument. You're comfortable trusting your life to a Glock, I'm comfortable trusting mine to a 1911. This is one of those ultra rare occasions where we can both be right.

 

[jay_steel]

^^^ disagree because ford is the best car out there

 

[Zaphod]

I am just saying if I had a guy pointing a gun at me and their are two guns in the dirt 1911 and glock... I am grabbing the glock. If they are on a clean table I am grabbing the 1911

I'd grab the closest one. Same distance away? I'd grab one at random rather than look at the name on the gun.

 

[240PLUS]

Well shit, now you got me thinking. 1911 worked well in WW2, and that was a lot of trench warfare...mmmmm

 

[jay_steel]

I am curious to talk to some vets now about this, Hard to find a WWII vet I think there are a few in our VFW chapter I will have to talk to.

 

[ALBOB2]

^^^ disagree because ford is the best car out there

Careful now, you wouldn't want the world to know we agree on stuff. (I've been a hard core blue oval man my whole life. )

My current baby is an '07 F-250 Super Duty Crew Cab. I added a Volant cold air intake, MBPR exhaust and SCT Excellerator power program. She's a beast.

 

[jay_steel]

2005 mustang GT with a 2004 cobra 5.0 stroker block w/ custom 3.4l whipple, methenol injection, trunk mounted 5 gallon intercooler, 4 fordgt supercar fuel pumps, 22lbs of boost. Still finishing it putting in a chevy transmission in it though they are cheaper and bolt in with a conversion kit (TH400, 3spd auto manuel valve body and a transbreak) Car use to have a procharger making 14psi @ 620rwhp. So we are expecting 800+rwhp.

Next truck is either going to be a F-250 diesel or a Lightning for the tow vehicle

 

[jay_steel]

^^^ sorry correction 3 ford supercar fuel pumps... Before any car guys get on and say there is no quad pump set up type...

 

[ALBOB]

2005 mustang GT with a 2004 cobra 5.0 stroker block w/ custom 3.4l whipple, methenol injection, trunk mounted 5 gallon intercooler, 4 fordgt supercar fuel pumps, 22lbs of boost. Still finishing it putting in a chevy transmission in it though they are cheaper and bolt in with a conversion kit (TH400, 3spd auto manuel valve body and a transbreak) Car use to have a procharger making 14psi @ 620rwhp. So we are expecting 800+rwhp.

Next truck is either going to be a F-250 diesel or a Lightning for the tow vehicle

JeeeeeZUS. That thing must be an absolute monster.

Diesel for towing. ALWAYS diesel for towing.

 

[jay_steel]

JeeeeeZUS. That thing must be an absolute monster.

Diesel for towing. ALWAYS diesel for towing.

Its going to be a 9 second street car when we are finished. I want to be able to run 10's with street tires... (18 inch mickey thompson drag radials are my street tires). I guess this is what you get when you deploy a shit load of times and was single during that time.

Yeah a diesel would be sweet, but I have all ways wanted a twin turbo 1200hp lighting.

 

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SEE THE NEW ?INTELLIGENT? RIFLE THAT CLAIMS TO GIVE YOU A PERFECT SHOT EVERY TIME

A new Texas-based company is developing a shooting system that could turn even the least skilled marksmen into a sniper-quality shooter.
TrackingPoint calls its system the ?world?s first precision guided firearm.?
President Jason Schauble explained in a YouTube demonstration of the technology that what the company did is ?put jet fighter lock-and-launch technology into a firing system.?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-new-intelligent-rifle-that-claims-to-give-you-a-perfect-shot-every-time/


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[vicious 13]

Trying to get an xd for Christmas