Proviron would probably be one of the safest for lipids but also one of the weakest.
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Proviron would probably be one of the safest for lipids but also one of the weakest.
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You don't think it would make my BP go through the roof. I was just asking because I believe they both increase RBC's.
BP could raise. If you are concerned buy a cuff and monitor it.
Thank you brother!
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What do u think about running deca and tren e together at 400 each for 12 weeks? With 750 a week test? I know a lot of people say not to run 2 19 nors together on cycle but if u can keep prolactin levels down and Ed isn't an issue why not?
I don't see a problem with mixing Tren and Deca as long as the total dose is reasonable and/or within previous experiences of the user.
Many guys on the net over emphasize prolactin issues on Trenbolone but we have little data to support it from science. Obviously if you start lactating then there is a problem but some guys have ZERO elevation in prolactin levels on Tren. In fact we have science that proves prolactin does not increase at all in animal studies when Tren is administered. However there could be other factors that are causing issues. My advice is to jump on the Tren and Deca and then get prolactin levels measured to see for yourself. Might save you a few hundred in uneeded ancillaries =)
I think ED is more the issue but again with a hormonal panel we can usually fix ED issues pretty easily. Keep free T high, E2 reasonable and Prolactin in the normal male range and possibly use Cialis if you have to.
Bottom line; try it and get labs. You will forever know what YOUR body does with these meds not some parrot on the net. =)
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HEAVY,
For the first time I am going to cruise at about 200 mg test a week. The question is, should I use an AI while cruising or not.....
For the first time I am going to cruise at about 200 mg test a week. The question is, should I use an AI while cruising or not.....
longworthb
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true that bro. I'm thinking about running 400 of each. I am pretty prone to prolactin sides but I'm confident i can keep them under control. Probably going to run some proviron on cycle too to help keep Ed sides away. Never had deca dick or a problem when running tren with my dick not working so I'm pretty sure ill be ok
Just playing with your nips can raise prolactin so don't be too quick to blame the meds. Many guys freak out on cycle and can't leave their nips alone from the paranoia. Get labs. You might find much of your issues are E2 related.
Good luck
I do but I'm older and aromatase seems to increase with age. Get E2 labs while on your cruise and see where your estradiol measures so you can make an informed decision brother.
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Thanks for the advice bro. The one thing I noticed last tren cycle was puffy nips. They didn't itch hurt or anything and there was no lump but I did lactate a little. Upped my caber and it went away pretty quick. I've been blessed being not very estrogen prone. Only thing I have a problem with is cystic acne. What do u recommend for it? I've used Nizoral as body wash. Used accutane also but it was beating me up pretty bad. I've been looking into brundels acnedren
If you want a long term solution then nothing even comes close to Accutane. 20mg daily for 5-6 months.
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Heavy what do you think about stacking Anadrol @ 50mg with 3 caps of Super DMZ rx2.0 ? Also how do you feel about just cruising on test and then when blasting instead of raising the Test dosages just adding an oral like Super DMZ rx 2.0 @ 3-4 caps so essentially its just adding a oral. It makes for easier obtainable cycles and way cheaper, just not sure about results. Also I notice of course the higher dosages I have taken of orals like Winstrol/ Anavar/ Superdrol the better results I got (duh ? but it seemed to make a huge difference not just a small substantial one), does this go for the new Super DMZ rx2.0? I notice alot of people only run it @ 2 caps but I feel I would probably need and see way better results @ 4 caps a day ?
I would not stack Anadrol and SDMZ due to the excessive load on your liver and lipids. 2 caps daily is best on SDMZ as far as cost vs benefit to your health but more adventuresome users may opt for 3 caps daily on a short run.
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Heavy, I'm about to finish my 10 weeks cycle, Test E and the first 4 weeks with SDMZ. I can't believe it but I had ZERO sides Z E R O! Is this normal????
Second question, when would be the perfect moment to have a blood test done to see if everything go back to normal inside my body? Few weeks after PCT?
This cutting cycle hasn't been too bad I lost 10kg keeping my gains and improving my mass quality. Still have to lose some kilos but my six pack is visible now!
Second question, when would be the perfect moment to have a blood test done to see if everything go back to normal inside my body? Few weeks after PCT?
This cutting cycle hasn't been too bad I lost 10kg keeping my gains and improving my mass quality. Still have to lose some kilos but my six pack is visible now!
Zero sides is great! I would say that's the norm for about 50% of users.
I would get labs 4-6 weeks post PCT brother.
I would get labs 4-6 weeks post PCT brother.
Great thread! Thank you so much for sharing you knowledge Heavy...there's so much nonsense on the web, it's great to hear a voice of reason among all the noise.
I was wondering if you could go over your basics for GH use. Do you prefer split up twice a day (AM and midafternoon) as was traditional, or a big bolus pre or postworkout (with insulin although I realize you'd rather not talk about that compound) as is becoming popular? Do you feel there are any compounds that stack better with GH, besides lots of test, than others? At what point dose wise with GH should adding T3 or T4 be considered? Do you like to use differently while bulking vs dieting? There's some talk of your body building up antibodies to GH, so people are suggesting 1-2 month breaks every 6 months or so...do you buy into this theory? Others just say run as much as you can afford and tolerate as long as you can...what do you think?
Also, this is much more of a subjective question, but do you feel there's a Bang for your buck ratio with AAS and GH? For instance if I saw a guy, who just wanted to be a big strong freak or competitive bodybuilder one day running 15 IUs of GH a day but only 400mg of test a week...I'd probably be inclined to tell him to up the freaking dose of test to make the most of that GH. You have any ratio you like to see? 2 gms of gear per week to 10 IUs a day, or 1 gm of test a week per 5 IUs of GH...I dunno.
Thank you again.
I was wondering if you could go over your basics for GH use. Do you prefer split up twice a day (AM and midafternoon) as was traditional, or a big bolus pre or postworkout (with insulin although I realize you'd rather not talk about that compound) as is becoming popular? Do you feel there are any compounds that stack better with GH, besides lots of test, than others? At what point dose wise with GH should adding T3 or T4 be considered? Do you like to use differently while bulking vs dieting? There's some talk of your body building up antibodies to GH, so people are suggesting 1-2 month breaks every 6 months or so...do you buy into this theory? Others just say run as much as you can afford and tolerate as long as you can...what do you think?
Also, this is much more of a subjective question, but do you feel there's a Bang for your buck ratio with AAS and GH? For instance if I saw a guy, who just wanted to be a big strong freak or competitive bodybuilder one day running 15 IUs of GH a day but only 400mg of test a week...I'd probably be inclined to tell him to up the freaking dose of test to make the most of that GH. You have any ratio you like to see? 2 gms of gear per week to 10 IUs a day, or 1 gm of test a week per 5 IUs of GH...I dunno.
Thank you again.
Either once or twice daily injects of GH are fine but I personally would inject all at once first thing AM. GH serum levels elevate for quite a few hours so the timing isn't critical. You can stack any steroid with GH but I prefer Testosterone.
There is a debate among experts whether T3 should be used with GH for our purposes but most agree T4 is fine. GH antibodies are proven so its not really a theory. Not sure that can be avoided since the subjects in the study only used for 6 months.
I think GH is best for fat loss. 5iu daily is plenty.
Bang for the buck? Maybe 4-5iu GH daily and 1,200-1,500mg Test weekly.
Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2004 Jan-Apr;17(1):33-8.
Growth hormone antibodies formation in patients treated with recombinant human growth hormone.
Ahangari G, Ostadali MR, Rabani A, Rashidian J, Sanati MH, Zarindast MR.
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Department of Molecular Medicine and Immunology, National Research Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, Tehran, Iran. ghah@nrcgeb.ac.ir
Abstract
Human growth hormone is normally produced by acidophilic cells of the anterior lobe of the pituitary gland. Recombinant DNA technology has made it possible to produce rhGH. There have been reports of immunological reactions in patients treated with rhGH. For this reason, it is necessary to check sera of patients for presence of antibody against rhGH. Forty-seven children were treated for up to 6 months with recombinant human growth hormone (rhGH-Novo), 0.1 IU/Kg body weight, subcutaneously, three times weekly. The magnitude of growth response was similar to those expected from clinical experience with pituitary growth hormone. We examined sera for specific antibodies against rhGH by ELISA methods. Four patients developed serum antibodies against growth hormone. The analysis of these four sera by Dot blotting method also showed presence of antibodies against rhGH. In the sera of treated patients, pre-incubated with different concentration of rhGH, specific antibodies were detected by neutralizing assay. This finding was confirmed by ELISA technique. In conclusion, the main concern with anti-GH antibodies could be their ability to neutralize circulating growth hormone and inhibition its growth promoting effect.
PMID:
15000864
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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John - what is your recommendation for running accutane? Dose and duration to clear cystic acne on my back and shoulders? I hear 20mg for four months, correct or no? If you have a preference for "brand" can you PM me? Thanks in advance!!!
John - what is your recommendation for running accutane? Dose and duration to clear cystic acne on my back and shoulders? I hear 20mg for four months, correct or no? If you have a preference for "brand" can you PM me? Thanks in advance!!!
I personally would use 20mg Accutane daily for 4-6 months. This is the lowest dose that was found effective for acne in studies. 6 months is the standard treatment duration.
I would never exceed 40mg daily due to probable side effects.
Well 4 out of 47 isn't terrible odds. I wonder if it's a individual thing, as in only some people develop them, or everyone does and it's just a matter for time. My immunology is a little rusty...how long of breaks would you recommend to combat this?
Any suggestions on how much t4 is appropriate to go along with GH?
That dosing schedule they put the children on is interesting too....that'd be 10 iu three times a week for me.
Thank you again!
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Heavy I have a loss of memory. It's the end of my cycle. I'm gonna wait two weeks for ester clears out.
Am I right if I'm starting right now the dosage of Aromasin you recommend 20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)???? Or should I keep going with 10mg like on cycle during these two weeks and then start with the dosage you mentioned when PCT begins?
Am I right if I'm starting right now the dosage of Aromasin you recommend 20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)???? Or should I keep going with 10mg like on cycle during these two weeks and then start with the dosage you mentioned when PCT begins?
I don't think taking breaks from GH will mitigate the GH antibodies but I really don't know.
T4 must be used in much higher doses to be as effective as T3. Typically a dosage of 300 mcg/day to achieve the same results as 25-100 mcg/day of T3 (Cytomel).
I like an AI the entire time the aromatizing steroid is clearing (testosterone) and while using HCG since it also can increase E2. After the Test and HCG clear I like a SERM like Clomid or Nolvadex.
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Ok so What do I do??????
Ok so What do I do??????
You need to provide me with detailed info about your cycle. I don't know what you are running compound wise or ester wise. When is you last pin? Are you planning on using HCG? Without these details I cannot help you. I also don't know if you just want an AI dose. Your question is just to broad brother. Narrow it down and provide details please.
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Sorry Bro here is my cycle below. My last pin was on friday. I used as you can see below HCG all along the cycle and will do during the ester is clearing out from day 1 to 16. My question is, should I start the dosage you mentionned in your cycle thread right now ( 20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin) or should I just keep going with the same dosage while on cycle (10/12,5mg) during these two weeks and then begin the new dosage (20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg) when PCT begins?
My 10 weeks cycle :
Weeks 1-4: Super-DMZ Rx 2 caps daily (1 cap AM / 1 cap PM)
Sunday :
10/12,5mg Aromasin
1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)
Proviron 50mg/day split in twice
Monday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin
500iu HCG
1 quarter tablet of Procar per day (1.25mg)
Proviron 50mg/day split in twice
Tuesday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin
350mg Enanthate
1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)
Proviron 50mg/day split in twice
Wednesday :
10/12,5mg Aromasin
1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)
Proviron 50mg/day split in twice
Thursday :
10/12,5mg Aromasin
500iu HCG
1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)
Proviron 50mg/day split in twice
Friday :
10/12,5mg Aromasin
350mg Enanthate
1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)
Proviron 50mg/day split in twice
Saturday :
10/12,5mg Aromasin
1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)
Proviron 50mg/day split in twice
If the Aromasin is controlling E2 on cycle then keeping the dose the same while the ester is clearing is fine brother.
