No probs. 4iu, 10 min later 100g of dextrose. Shit kept me hungry most of the day with an energy low around lunch time.
I gotta take the kids to the gym today, so Ill go for 5iu on Monday.
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No probs. 4iu, 10 min later 100g of dextrose. Shit kept me hungry most of the day with an energy low around lunch time.
I gotta take the kids to the gym today, so Ill go for 5iu on Monday.
Meh hit 5ius when the kids were in the crèche after a good shoulders/bis workout.
Was about an hour until I got home for my next meal - white rice n chkn. Had some glucose tabs in the car as backup. So far no issues with 5ius
Was about an hour until I got home for my next meal - white rice n chkn. Had some glucose tabs in the car as backup. So far no issues with 5ius
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Still alive for today i see.
Of course!
Ill be upping the dose 1iu post WO only, limiting to 10iu.
Next week:
Mon legs w. 6iu
Wed chest/tris 7iu
Fri back 8iu
Sat delts/bi 9iu
Gears - 500mg sus + 100mg tren ace mon-wed-fri, expecting some weight gains
Ill be upping the dose 1iu post WO only, limiting to 10iu.
Next week:
Mon legs w. 6iu
Wed chest/tris 7iu
Fri back 8iu
Sat delts/bi 9iu
Gears - 500mg sus + 100mg tren ace mon-wed-fri, expecting some weight gains
So I hit 6iu after legs but tried a different protocol suggested to me.
Same carbs, but instead of drinking it all 10min post inj drank half after 15 min, then the other half 30min post inj with a full meal an hour after that.
No issues to report, the only thing I notice is some intense hunger pangs during the day that tapers off.
7iu tommorrow with chest/tri training, will see if I've put on extra weight yet.
Same carbs, but instead of drinking it all 10min post inj drank half after 15 min, then the other half 30min post inj with a full meal an hour after that.
No issues to report, the only thing I notice is some intense hunger pangs during the day that tapers off.
7iu tommorrow with chest/tri training, will see if I've put on extra weight yet.
I'm up 1kg! Tipping 113.5kg and got a bench PB yesterday. Slin is definately helping me keep the cals up.
Will be pinning 8iu tommorrow after deadlifts.
Will be pinning 8iu tommorrow after deadlifts.
AlphaMaleDawg
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I prefer humalog because it is far less confusing and easier to manage. I like to shoot it right before leaving my apt to go to the gym (takes me 10 minutes before I begin my first set) and then immediately begin sipping my intra workout carb/protein shake. If you use 10iu humalog, have 80g carbs with your shake. I think the 10g of carb per 1iu of slin is excessive and increases the possibility of fat intake. You won't die if you take 8g per 1iu.
The problem with slin is people give too much advice aimed at extreme caution, rather than results. Slin really isn't dangerous unless you inject a lot without eating, in which case you probably deserve something stupid to happen to you.
The problem with slin is people give too much advice aimed at extreme caution, rather than results. Slin really isn't dangerous unless you inject a lot without eating, in which case you probably deserve something stupid to happen to you.
^^^ sounds similar to mutants protocol using humalog rather than novalog.
Appreciate the advice.
Appreciate the advice.
AlphaMaleDawg
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Yea, some people like to recommend Humulin R for safety reasons. The problem is it's less safe when it comes to fat gains, because you need to really calculate the peaks properly in order to do it right. It requires too much guess work IMO. With Humalog, it's done and over with and you don't need to stress out about it.
At the end of the day, people use slin for RESULTS. The problem is the advice people give is to stay safe, which defeats the purpose of using it in the first place. If people gave more results-oriented advice, there is no reason someone won't be safe if following the advice.
Standard Donkey
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what would you consider "results-oriented" advice for someone wanting to use humalog post workout?
I'm expecting some fat gains until I dial in doses properly, but I'm well impressed with results so far.
Hit PBs with incline bench on tue and again with deads this morning - eating like a horse. No issues with 8ius.
AlphaMaleDawg
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Just to not overdo the carbs really when injecting slin. It's not worth getting fat at the expense of being overly safe.
Standard Donkey
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makes sense... i might have to look into slin for myself down the road
With all due respect, from your past posting history, you're the last guy who needs to use slin.
Standard Donkey
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From what you post (who knows what you really do), your doses are out of control, the number of compounds you use at once is through the roof and you're not even 25 years old yet. There is no way you have maxed out your natural potential with diet and training alone, you've already abused gear to the max and now you want to push the envelope with using insulin?
As reckless and careless as you are (with your posts anyhow) you'll end up dead within the first week of insulin use.
You skipped so many steps in the bodybuilding process, your diet and cardio could easily be adjusted for further results but you instead add more gear. At your age you'll be lucky if you don't have severe health conditions later on in life. There is a big difference between use and abuse, you are an abuser.
I'm not going to go back and try and find posts where you claimed this or that, it is what it is and I've been here long enough and read enough of your posts to know.
Cruising on tren?
Standard Donkey
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fair enough..
-as for diet and training.. ive hired shelby for the past 16 weeks, and also have him and john meadows for the next year (i have a 13 week transformation thread in open chat)
-and for doses... strictly hypothetical
-as for genetics, nothing bad runs in my family (on a gram of tren from mlg my bp is 115/70)
-no dairy, wheat, gluten, sugar, alcohol, fructose, anything "overly" processed in my diet (besides white rice i suppose)..
-diet is purely composed of chicken, VCO, beef liver, white rice, brewer's yeast (for B vitamins, e.g. folate, b6, and b12 to keep homocysteine down), and whey isolate
supplement with: fish oil, primrose oil, vit E, coq10, curcumin, NAC, magnesium, vitd3, vit C, liv52... every day
am going to start donating blood every 2 months (have been irresponsible here), as soon as my prep is over
also keeping my BF% down in the offseason to avoid the health issues that come with being overweight..
and for the record, no one ever provided evidence that cruising on 100mg tren E/week is a bad call... sooo..
and by "down the road", i meant 4+ years. If i cant run it without HGH/igf1, i dont want to run it at all (trying to avoid hgh, hear it can cause some bad stuff)
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Standard Donkey
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but anyways, back to your thread Capt'n (sorry for the hijack)
There are no studies on tren because it's not made for human use. That might be why nobody has been able to provide that information for you.
It's just my opinion, you can take it any way you want, I'm just calling it like it is, nothing more.
In regards to your "genetics" response, I'll bet your family memebrs haven't abused gear like you so that isn't a fair comparison.
It's just my opinion, you can take it any way you want, I'm just calling it like it is, nothing more.
In regards to your "genetics" response, I'll bet your family memebrs haven't abused gear like you so that isn't a fair comparison.
Standard Donkey
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correct, but i left out the fact that my grandparents (both sides) abused cigarrettes and alchohol for many decades. my mom's dad had a massive heart attack at 85, after literally chain-smoking since 17.
he survived.
other grandpa had 2 strokes at 75 after smoking/drinking heavily, survived both
all of my family has a horrible diet.. bunch of lard people... no health problems.
not saying my genetics are great, just not horrible
It's always interesting browsing IM compared to other AAS boards cause it has to be one of the most conservative boards out there for dosing with the highest regard for longevity. I guess that's not a bad thing, but it also leaves a lot on the table.
Like for example, the dosages talked about for insulin on this board are probably 1/4 of what's recommended on other boards. I've seen protocols ranging from 30-45iu daily 3x a week with 3 dosages a day of humulin-R which is what a lot of gurus recommend, to protocols of just 10-20iu pre-workout. I also never hear about the little things that put things into perspective. Like the chance of becoming diabetic with "intelligent" insulin use is almost impossible (yes, insulin resistance creeps up on you) and that glutamine is extremely beneficial in keeping blood glucose levels stable preventing you from going hypo. I mean things like this are deal-breakers and it's strange nobody on here talks about them. I guess it's because this board takes the safe route in case somebody does stupid things without researching, which is admirable to say the least.
In terms of humalog vs humulin, it seems like all opinion. Personally, having used humulin pre-workout, it's very easy to handle. You know the timings and as long as you have a proper meal before injection, sip on pre-workout/intra-workout shakes and then take the proper post-workout nutrition route (shake + meal 2 hours later), you're golden. Plus, it doesn't hit as hard as humalog, but yeah, fat gain is always a problem with longer lasting slin. Some like humalog cause of its convenience, pop 10-15iu and the stuff is rolling immediately instead of waiting for it to kick in.
I'm not sure if there's more to SD's conflict with XYZ regarding tren cruising, but I can say that numerous people cruise on 100mg tren/100mg test per week and that there's a 10+ page thread out there discussing it's validity and how your blood test results will return to normal, even with low dose tren usage. It might not be as fast as if you cruised on 150mg test (TRT dose), but tren gives you benefits that test doesn't.
Like for example, the dosages talked about for insulin on this board are probably 1/4 of what's recommended on other boards. I've seen protocols ranging from 30-45iu daily 3x a week with 3 dosages a day of humulin-R which is what a lot of gurus recommend, to protocols of just 10-20iu pre-workout. I also never hear about the little things that put things into perspective. Like the chance of becoming diabetic with "intelligent" insulin use is almost impossible (yes, insulin resistance creeps up on you) and that glutamine is extremely beneficial in keeping blood glucose levels stable preventing you from going hypo. I mean things like this are deal-breakers and it's strange nobody on here talks about them. I guess it's because this board takes the safe route in case somebody does stupid things without researching, which is admirable to say the least.
In terms of humalog vs humulin, it seems like all opinion. Personally, having used humulin pre-workout, it's very easy to handle. You know the timings and as long as you have a proper meal before injection, sip on pre-workout/intra-workout shakes and then take the proper post-workout nutrition route (shake + meal 2 hours later), you're golden. Plus, it doesn't hit as hard as humalog, but yeah, fat gain is always a problem with longer lasting slin. Some like humalog cause of its convenience, pop 10-15iu and the stuff is rolling immediately instead of waiting for it to kick in.
I'm not sure if there's more to SD's conflict with XYZ regarding tren cruising, but I can say that numerous people cruise on 100mg tren/100mg test per week and that there's a 10+ page thread out there discussing it's validity and how your blood test results will return to normal, even with low dose tren usage. It might not be as fast as if you cruised on 150mg test (TRT dose), but tren gives you benefits that test doesn't.
Thanks for the input pieguy
Standard Donkey
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im not sure if there is either lol..
are you referring to Dr. G's thread? that's where i got the idea
Mike Arnold
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You don't have to gain bodyfat while using it. I have extensive experience with insulin on myself and many, many clients. Below is my favorite insulin protocol. All have experienced great results with it. You will notice that many of the words below run together. This is not my fault. When I copy & pasted it from microsoft word, it happend on its own and I don't feel like correcting all of it. You may also notice random question marks spread throughout the text. Same thing going on there...so you will have to look past them.
The Ultimate InsulinProtocol
By: Mike Arnold
By: Mike Arnold
Still, it is not without some measure of truth that insulin comes withso many warnings. In a worst casescenario, it can kill you if used improperly. It should also be noted that even when insulin is used responsibly, itcarries with it a certain degree of inherent risk. Should the user find himself in an unfortunateset of circumstances, such as acquiring an abrupt case of the stomach flu leadingto an inability to hold down any food/liquid, the user could be in trouble,especially if he had just administered a large dosage of Insulin and an E.R cannotquickly be located. This is just oneexample of how an individual could find himself in a predicament for which heis not responsible, but which none the less could result in an emergencysituation.
The purpose of this article is not to educatethe reader on how to protect oneself from the potential dangers of Insulin, butto supply a wholistic and maximally effective method of insulin administration. I assume that anyone who is willing toimplement this protocol into their BB?ing program is thoroughly educatedregarding its application and all available safety nets have been put inplace. Furthermore, I am not suggestingor recommending anyone use this program. It is posted for entertainment purposes only.
The internet is filled with different thoughts and ideas on how to bestuse insulin. Some of these ideas areworthwhile, while others are complete garbage. In this article we will explore what many believe to be the single mosteffective time to use insulin?pre-workout. There is considerable scientific evidence which can be used to back upthis claim of superiority, as well as numerous anecdotal reports proclaiming likewise. In the following protocol I have followedsuit in regards to timing, but have gone a step further and devised what Iconsider to be the single most effective insulin program on involving oncedaily use.
Users of this protocol have reported average gains of 10 lbs in 2 weeksor less, which I can personally confirm. The pumps & muscle fullness one will achieve while following thisprotocol are staggering. The program finds its magic in its timing and thesynergy of ingredients utilized. Listedbelow is the protocol in its entirety.
? 45 minutespre-workout: 15 IU Humulin R.
? 20 minutes pre-workout: 50 grams ?Branched chain cyclic dextrins?. 20 grams Hydrolyzed protein (ex: Carnivore). 20 grams Glycerol monostearate. 3 grams Leucine. 5 grams Micronized creatine monohydrate. 2 grams Beta alanine. 3 grams Taurine. 500 mg Potassium. 1 gram Vitamin C.
? 75 minutes after 1[SUP]st[/SUP]shake: 50 grams ?Branched chaincyclic dextrins?. 20 grams Hydrolyzedprotein (ex: Carnivore). 3 gramsLeucine. 5 grams Micronizedcreatine. 2 grams Beta alanine. 3 grams Taurine.
? 75 minutes after 2[SUP]nd[/SUP]shake: 50 grams ?Branched chaincyclic dextrins?. 20 grams Hydrolyzedprotein (ex: Carnivore). 3 gramsLeucine.
Total protein: 60grams (excluding added free-form aminos)
Total Carbs: 150 grams (excluding any traceamounts of carbohydrates found in protein the powder).
Total Calories: Roughly900
First of all, when formulating the macro/slin ratio above, I increasedthe amount of carbs-protein above what is typically required per IU of slin, inorder to account for users who demonstrate an above average degree of insulinsensitivity. Most slin users or BB?rs ingeneral, will require roughly 8 grams of carbs-protein per IU of slin, in orderto break even and maintain normal blood glucose. This protocol utilizes a 14:1 ratio (macros/slin),which will allow for pretty much anyone to employ this program whilemaintaining blood sugar within a normal range.
Additionally, justbecause you may have met your carb requirements from a safety standpoint, itdoes not mean that safety is the only factor we should consider when decidinghow many carbs to use. We also need totake into consideration how many carbs we need to optimize recovery &growth. In most cases, the number ofcarbs we need to maximize recovery & growth will exceed our safety requirements. For example, let?s say we have a 250 poundman who is using 10 IU?s of slin and he only requires 8 grams of carbs per IUto maintain blood sugar levels. That isonly 80 grams of carbs during the entire workout window. Most 250 pound men will need much more than80 grams of carbs during the pre/intra/post workout period?especially if theyare trying to grow. By using his safety requirementsto determine his carb intake, he will end up limiting his potential forrecovery & growth. Most men at that bodyweightwill require at least (or more) that amount of carbs during the workout periodif they want to maximize growth & recovery. So, before engaging in any insulin program,you must first determine how many carbs you need to maximize the growth &recovery process. If your metabolismrequired 250 grams of carbs before you started using insulin, it will stillrequire 250 grams of carbs after you start using insulin. In almost all cases, the only time someone?ssafety requirements will be larger than their growth & recovery requirementsis if they are dieting for a contest and their calories and carbs are low. Otherwise, it is rarely an issue.
The foundation of thisprogram rests on the specific type of macros used. Without them, every single other component/aspectof this program is negatively affected and in some cases rendered ineffectivealtogether. High molecular weightcarbohydrates, such as branched chain cyclic dextrins, have been shown to besuperior to any other form of carbohydrate in multiple ways, such as: 1) A much faster rate of digestion andassimilation. 2) Improved glycogen compensation. 3) Enhanced insulin release. 4) The ability to pull other nutrients intocirculation at a more rapid rate (vacuum effect). 5) The inability to cause intestinal waterretention, unlike other forms of carbohydrates, such as dextrose &maltodextrin. The result is zerobloating, no indigestion, and a tighter midsection. 6) The ability to initiate an osmotic affectat the cellular level, in which the balance of water is shifted in favor of themuscle cell & bloodstream and away from the subcutaneous region (the resultis a fuller, drier physique). 7) Less likely to add bodyfat. Using other forms of carbohydrates will bringinferior results and therefore, it is not advised that the individual usesubstitutions for this part of the program.
Moving on to the protein component; hydrolyzed proteins are much morerapidly absorbed than other types of protein and are the only protein which canbe consumed along with high molecular weight carbs without impairing theirabsorption. Hydrolyzed proteins alsohave another advantage in that they stimulate protein synthesis to a greaterdegree than either whey protein concentrate or isolate. The is likely due to hydrolyzed whey?sleucine content entering circulation at a faster rate compared to concentrates/isolates, in addition to a large amount of EAA?s being dumped into the system allat once. Recent research on leucineshows that the human body requires 4.5 grams of this amino acid in order to maximallystimulate protein synthesis. This 4.5grams dose needs to be administered all at once in order to generate thisresponse, not released into the system over an extended period of time, whichoccurs when consuming concentrates & isolates. For this reason, you will find roughly 4.5-5grams of leucine in each one of the shakes listed above, with roughly 2 gramscoming from each 20 gram serving of hydrolyzed whey and an additional 3 gramsin supplemental form.
You will also notice the inclusion of several other muscle cell volumizers,many of which work synergistically to bring more pronounced results. These include traditional volumizers, such astaurine, creatine, and potassium, as well as newer products like Beta alanine.
In order to promote enhanced recovery and a maximum growth response, thetiming of the shakes has been set-up to maintain a constant influx of nutrientsthroughout the entire active life of the insulin. Humulin R was specifically chosen for thispurpose, as its half-life will allow the user to take advantage of both theintra and post-workout windows. HumulinR also delivers a less pronounced insulin spike, which is easier to manage formost users in comparison to a faster-acting version of insulin, such as Humalog.
When speaking of insulin programs in general, one of the biggest issuesplaguing its users is that of insulin resistance. Chronic, long-term insulin use can damageinsulin sensitivity, which is accompanied by all sorts of potentialcomplications. This is the reason why mostprograms out there call for the user to take some off-time every so often, asit is necessary in order to avoid insulin resistance. However, due to the limited exposure timeencountered while running this protocol, insulin sensitivity is only moderatelyaffected when using the program 5-6X per week. For individuals who opt to use the program only 3-4X per week, alterationsin insulin sensitivity is a non-issue. Forthose running it the recommended 5-6X per week, one of two steps can be takento ensure insulin sensitivity is maintained. 1) The user can either take 2 weeks off for every 4 weeks on?or 2) Theindividual can add Glucophage (Metformin) into his program 3-4X per week at700-800 mg, 2X/Day.
For 1[SUP]st[/SUP] time insulin users, while the macro/slin ratio listedabove is always sufficient from a safety perspective, I recommend they startout at a reduced insulin dosage and gradually work their way up to the full amount. For one?s 1[SUP]st[/SUP] inject, a dosage of6-8 IU is ideal. This can be followed upby a 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] inject of 8-10 IU?and concluded with a 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] andfinal inject of 10-12 IU before finally moving up to the full 15 IU. Lastly, I do not consider this programsuitable for all BB?rs, but only for those who have achieved at least amoderate level of development. For anyone out there who has been contemplating using insulin, but doesnot know how to go about adding it into one?s program, the above protocol is anexcellent starting point and for many, the only insulin program they will everneed.
AlphaMaleDawg
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Mike, since most of us use HGH alongside slin, how would you go about incorporating that into your protocol? Goal is lean mass.
Standard Donkey
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ive been looking for a good place to get the branched chained cyclic dextrins (not for slin use), anyone have a source/supplement that would work?
