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Which gear is better to run. I've noticed a large price difference between these..some local ugl have test for $35-40, the overseas sites have test for $100-150. Whts the difference? Is it human grade vs ugl? Is it better quality?
 
It's more consistent and better quality. Especially the Asia Pharma. Very high quality!
 
Asia pharm test cyp is very smooth, I can say the same for Euro Pharm that PSL carries.
 
You find a good ugl that you can trust and the quality is just as good as from real human grade gear like icn and Watson. Asia pharma is nothing special especially for the price you pay. I get great anabolics for a third of the price that I would take anyway with no worries
 
nspaletta said:
You find a good ugl that you can trust and the quality is just as good as from real human grade gear like icn and Watson. Asia pharma is nothing special especially for the price you pay. I get great anabolics for a third of the price that I would take anyway with no worries
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I agree with you Bro there are some good local UGL's out there, I use to have one that was very consistent. Then one day POOF GONE! Sucked but I had other avenues to use but his price was killer and gear was awesome. AP gear is great, expensive yes but very smooth and no pip. Try some PSL Euro-Pharm, just like my watson smooth,no pip,priced right, also avail dom.
 
Yes Asia pharma is an ugl so everyone knows. A good one but not worth the money in my opinion. There are some great ugl that are consistent and cheap look around some boards and you'll find them.
 
don't be swayed by the bullshit scare tactics that WP is for some reason allowed to pull around here :coffee:


go with UGL or crash your natural production and get a script from your doc
 
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No I fully understand ap is a ugl along with ep and others, just comparing to the watson I have used smooth and no pip. Most of us have used a UGL that has given us some pip, left us dragging our leg, or sittin on one cheek. :)
 
AP gear is excellent-clean and properly dosed each and every batch.-OD
ADD-there are also very classy UGLS with integrity that do a stellar job. Do we want to talk about quality of raws at this point ?
 
Ap is very good clean gear I never said they weren't. But I would much rather get maybe some defiant or stranger or mts at half the price and equal quality. That's all I'm saying
 
One more time for all who knwo who what is ugl or gmp and fda and who...

ASIA PHARMA IS NOT UGL AND ITS GMP MADE AND THAILAND FDA APPORVED!

hope Mike Arnold can explain to you as he already did few times...

But guys who are sponsors from UGL soruces,will always hate AP and talk AP is ugl,then also Organon,Norma is UGL ;)
 
Thanks guys. Ive been using one of the local sponsors from the board here...and so far everything is lookin ok 10 days in on tren a/dbol/test e cycle against suggetions not to..lol. been runnin the test e for a little longer, 3 weeks, feelin good, gettin killer pumps, strength and size starting to come on to.
 
crab107 said:
Which gear is better to run. I've noticed a large price difference between these..some local ugl have test for $35-40, the overseas sites have test for $100-150. Whts the difference? Is it human grade vs ugl? Is it better quality?
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Whether or not the gear comes from overseas or domestic has nothing to do with its qaulity. I am assuming you are looking at a particular overseas company called World-Pharma. I am not going to spend a lot of time going into all the differences between the typical UGL and WP, but I will cover the basics.


First of all, there is a difference between a product being "FDA approved" and products which conform to FDA manufacturing guidelines. Any product can be produced following FDA manufacturing guidelines, but that doesn't necessarily mean the product itself is FDA approved. Before a drug can even be considered as an FDA approved product, it must be approved for human use by the country in which it produced. Many steroids are not approved for human use in the U.S., such as Trenbolone and Dianabol (Dianabol was at one point, but no longer) and therefore, they can never be considered FDA approved products. However, any steroid can be made under GMP guidelines, which means the product was produced in a manner accepted by the FDA as standard for all pharmacuetical drugs. The U.S. government mandates that any product sold as a pharmacuetical drug must be produced under GMP guidelines. It is a method of ensuring quality control.

WP sells a variety of brands, all of which are produced under GMP guidelines. This includes AsiaPharma and others. Some of his stock are sourced from foreign pharmaceutical companies, such as the Primobolan made by Schering-Plough (the best of the best) and Indian made Sustanon. Regardless of brand, all products come from well known pharmacies or pharmaceutical compounding facilities.

In contrast, UGL's can manufacurer steroids in any manner they choose. OD is correct in stating that some UGL's do indeed run their business professionally, implementing strict quality control guidelines...but on the other hand, many do not. I have known of some cookers (the person responsible for making UGL gear) filling capsules and filling vials while shitting on the toilet. There is a reason so many people end up getting infections and abcesses (or worse) from some UGL gear. In addition to contaminants, there is no gaurantee of proper dosing, as product quality is 100% dependent on the raw materials purchased by the UGL...and if you think every UGL is personally lab testing every batch for purity & potency, I will have a big laugh at that one.

So yes, WP does cost more than the typical UGL, but there is a reason for it. The bottom line is that WP pays significantly more money to purchase a pharmaceutical drug from a foreign country, than it does for a UGL to purchase an equivalent amount of raw material from China. Whether or not you choose to buy from WP will depend in many factors, finances being cheif among them, but you should at least know WHY you are seeing a price differetial between WP products and most UGL's.
 
I definitely am not bashing them at or or would I ever I'm sure the products are of perfect quality. I'm just saying way over priced.

For instance...why pay so much for eq when I can get peso pesado from the vet which is the purest eq for a third of the cost? Or I can get the actual amps for much cheaper. That's all I am saying.

Either way I'm sure he has a great rep and line and that's good for him.
 
this is one of the reason why i started going through SFY, i use to be good friends with an owner of a UGL until i watched my tren being cooked in a non steril environment while he was cooking beacon with greese flying all over the place and ect. Then he pulled the tren off and told me to look into it and check out the color. At that point I lost all interest in pinning the gear, due to if any shit has got into the gear.
 
Mike Arnold said:
So yes, WP does cost more than the typical UGL, but there is a reason for it. The bottom line is that WP pays significantly more money to purchase a pharmaceutical drug from a foreign country, than it does for a UGL to purchase an equivalent amount of raw material from China. Whether or not you choose to buy from WP will depend in many factors, finances being cheif among them, but you should at least know WHY you are seeing a price differetial between WP products and most UGL's.
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When it come to pricing and quality, what you just said is completely false. I just paid 60.00 for a bottle of phizer depo-test. American pharm companies are the most expensive and have the strictest guidelines.
Now once again let me hear you justify why ap gear is so expensive?
 
bigmoe65 said:
When it come to pricing and quality, what you just said is completely false. I just paid 60.00 for a bottle of phizer depo-test. American pharm companies are the most expensive and have the strictest guidelines.
Now once again let me hear you justify why ap gear is so expensive?
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Where at? My Watson is 112 without insurance at rite aid. Of course I get for 12 bucks.
 
bigmoe65 said:
When it come to pricing and quality, what you just said is completely false. I just paid 60.00 for a bottle of phizer depo-test. American pharm companies are the most expensive and have the strictest guidelines.
Now once again let me hear you justify why ap gear is so expensive?
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And we all KNOW the USFDA does a STELLAR job.They are govt workers like our post office.I feel safer now-lol-OD
 
mike arnold said:
whether or not the gear comes from overseas or domestic has nothing to do with its qaulity. I am assuming you are looking at a particular overseas company called world-pharma. I am not going to spend a lot of time going into all the differences between the typical ugl and wp, but i will cover the basics.


First of all, there is a difference between a product being "fda approved" and products which conform to fda manufacturing guidelines. Any product can be produced following fda manufacturing guidelines, but that doesn't necessarily mean the product itself is fda approved. Before a drug can even be considered as an fda approved product, it must be approved for human use by the country in which it produced. Many steroids are not approved for human use in the u.s., such as trenbolone and dianabol (dianabol was at one point, but no longer) and therefore, they can never be considered fda approved products. However, any steroid can be made under gmp guidelines, which means the product was produced in a manner accepted by the fda as standard for all pharmacuetical drugs. The u.s. Government mandates that any product sold as a pharmacuetical drug must be produced under gmp guidelines. It is a method of ensuring quality control.

Wp sells a variety of brands, all of which are produced under gmp guidelines. This includes asiapharma and others. Some of his stock are sourced from foreign pharmaceutical companies, such as the primobolan made by schering-plough (the best of the best) and indian made sustanon. Regardless of brand, all products come from well known pharmacies or pharmaceutical compounding facilities.

In contrast, ugl's can manufacurer steroids in any manner they choose. Od is correct in stating that some ugl's do indeed run their business professionally, implementing strict quality control guidelines...but on the other hand, many do not. I have known of some cookers (the person responsible for making ugl gear) filling capsules and filling vials while shitting on the toilet. There is a reason so many people end up getting infections and abcesses (or worse) from some ugl gear. In addition to contaminants, there is no gaurantee of proper dosing, as product quality is 100% dependent on the raw materials purchased by the ugl...and if you think every ugl is personally lab testing every batch for purity & potency, i will have a big laugh at that one.

So yes, wp does cost more than the typical ugl, but there is a reason for it. The bottom line is that wp pays significantly more money to purchase a pharmaceutical drug from a foreign country, than it does for a ugl to purchase an equivalent amount of raw material from china. Whether or not you choose to buy from wp will depend in many factors, finances being cheif among them, but you should at least know why you are seeing a price differetial between wp products and most ugl's.
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great read,smart guys will understand..kids and idiots will say bs!
 
I keep hearing about all these abcesses. With the amount of ugl Gear users on this site and given that "so many people end up getting infections and abcesses (or worse) from some UGL gear". You would think that the Anabolic section would be riddled with people with abcess questions.

Instead you get a lot of PIP questions and and false alarms? :hmmm:

But wp (no denying his gear is good) would have you believe its alot more prevalant than it is. I have nothing against WP and have almost pulled the trigger a couple times......... That aquabolic has been calling my name for some time now.
 
bigmoe65 said:
When it come to pricing and quality, what you just said is completely false. I just paid 60.00 for a bottle of phizer depo-test. American pharm companies are the most expensive and have the strictest guidelines.
Now once again let me hear you justify why ap gear is so expensive?
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Whooooah, buddy. Slow down a bit. First of all, I don't work for WP...and I wasn't justying anything. I was simply sttating a basic fact, which is that pharm-grade/GMP made gear is more costly than Chinese powders...and that products which fall in this category have stricter quality control guidelines in place. How you can argue with that is beyond me. Obviously, you are making assumptions about things I never said. Otherwise, you wouldn't be atempting to refute this basic truth.

So, what I said about quality & pricing of pharm-grade/GMP gear in comparisn to UGL gear, is absolutely correct. if you deny that, you're either no too smart...or you are a troll. before I jump to conclusions, let me ask you if that's what you really believe. Do you believe Chinese powders cost as much to make and purchase as pharm-grade/GMP produced gear? If so, you're smoking crack, buddy! Also, do you really think the Chinese powders are made with the same level of quality control as a phamarceutical grade drug...or any drug made under GMP guidelines? Again, if so, you're smoking crack. If you can't understand this basic truth, something is wrong with you.

Before I end, I just want to point out that the only thing you said in your entire post, which you apparently think contradicts my statement, is that you paid $60 for your vial of depo testosterone and American pharmacies have the strictest guidelines. that;s all you aid. For one, no one ever said American Pharmacies don't have the strictest guidelines...because they do, although several other European countries rival the U.S. in this respect. So, I don't really understand how that contradicts my post. Two, I can tell you with 100% certainty that most testosterone sold on U.S pharmacies (without insuarance), including generics, cost between $90-$130 dollars per 10 ml vial. This includes numerous big-name pharmacies and stretches across several regions...perhaps even nationwide. I have a prescription for Depo-testosterone...have for over 10 yars now...and I have checked numerous pharmacies all over my state (Ohio, not exactly know for extravagent living costs) in order to find the lowest price. I have also contacted numerous compounding pharmacies in and out of state, almost all of which fell in that price range. So, if you are getting your "brand-name" Phizer depo-testosterone (2 gram vial) for $60, that is awesome and I would ike you to tell me where you are getting it, so I can get it myself. I have no problem ordering from out of state or using a compounding pharmacy. If you want to confirm the average cost of testosterone at the typical pharmacy, I can provide phone numbers a dozen big-name pharms over the north-eastern United States, all of which will quote you a price within that range, including generics.

Just a little tip. Next time, try to stay on topic...and when attempting to argue with someone, at least make sure your argument is applicable to the point at hand! Otherwise, you are only doing yourself a disservice, as it makes you look like either a troll, someone who responds to posts before fully reading them, or someone who is lacking in intelligence. Quite frankly, based on your irrelevant argument, I am leaing towards the latter, but this could just be an off day for you.
 
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