Newbie here with questions! Detailed info and background.

[Sickofskinny]

Hey guys, I am new to Iron Mag forums, I am not new to bodybuilding and I will give all of my background info first to save you guys asking after. I am 25 Years old, I have been involved in sports and training since I was 4, I started playing hockey at 4, and then turned to basketball because I sucked at hockey, and then got involved in track and field where I competed on a national level for 3 years. I have been lifting seriously since freshman year in high school but in more of a resistance style, not a bodybuilding stand point. In the last year and a half bodybuilding has become a good portion of my life style, I am about 5'10 and weight around 175 right now. My bf % is 8% I have done 2 oral cycles so far, the first being a 6 week cycle of Havoc (epi) and the second being a 4 week cycle of superdrol at 20MG a day.

The havoc cycle went OK, I gained about 12lbs and kept lean, lost 5 lbs after PCT which I am sure was water weight. The sd cycle went MUCH better, although not a huge fan of the sides which I only experienced head aches and lathargy. For the head aches I upped my water intake to a gallon and 1/2. Seemed to clear that up, no other sides noted. For both of those oral cycles I preloaded with cycle assist for a week and then continued the cycle assist throughout the cycles and after I used Nolva 40/40/20/20. I gained MUCH more from Sd, adding 25 lbs and after PCT holding onto 15 lbs...I got VERY bloated from Sd which I was actually pretty shocked about.

Since I still have quite a few bottles of Sd left I plan on doing ONE more stand alone oral cycle starting in 2 weeks, my questions start here:

What do you guys think about upping the dosage this cycle to 30MG a day for 4 weeks instead of 20MG a day?

Here is my second question, I am planning on taking the leap into injectables in Oct,

I am thinking of doing a kick start of 4 weeks of Dbol and then into a 12 week cycle of 500MG of Test E at 250MG twice a week.

I plan on using Euro G as my sponsor. I want to order soon, I really do not mind waiting for the product since it will not be until Oct, I am pretty nervous since I am not a HUGE fan of needles and I don't have anyone else to pin for me, so I will have to do it myself. Any wisdom and help from you guys would be awesome, thanks a bunch!

 

[longworthb]

30mg is the sweet spot for a lot of people and sd. I say if u can handle the sides go for it bro just make sure ur protecting your liver. Ok as far as the inject cycle goes it looks like uve done some research so good job there. Alot of people don't do shit for research and jump in balls deep then come here begging for help. As far as the sponsor your going to use I recommend going domestic but that's just me. U get it quicker and u don't have to worry about customs. I'm partial to steroid for you's domestic kind and anabolic temple but I'm biased as I rep for them lol but there gear is deff good to go and the prices are nice. 500 test every week and 4 week kicker with dbol at 30-50mg is going to yield you very nice gains and if u pct right and don't slack u will keep a good deal of them. I noticed u didn't mention any ai. Definitely do some research on this. Aromasin at 12.5-25mg Ed will keep your estro levels at bay or adex at .5. Dbol is known for causing gyno so make sure u are using an ai. Pct with Nolva at 40-40-20-20 is fine. Run aromasin in your pct at 25-25-12.5-12.5. And recovery will be fairly easy. A lot of people respond different but this layout to me is a perfect first cycle

 

[Don't_fake]

^^^^^^^ great advice

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

Why do another Oral Only now, Use that Precious Superdrol as a kickstart to an Injectable cycle and thank me later.... lol

Seems you have the basics down, now just pull the trigger, and enter the darkside.

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-4 SD 30mg/wk
Aromasin 12.5mg/ed throughout cycle

PCT
14-17 - Clomid 75/75/50/50
14-17 - Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

But if you do decide on the oral only, 30mg is a good spot, i've used upwards of 60 in the past, 40 mg is also nice. Get you some IronMagLabs Bodybuilding Supplements & Prohormones: Advanced Cycle Support and an AI and PCT related components, and enjoy.

 

[Sickofskinny]

Thank you for your advise! I believe I am ready to pull that trigger!

 

[HFO3]

Personallly, I would raise test levels around week 8 through week 12 this will help continue the gains

 

[longworthb]

Yup ^^^^ myostatin tends to inhibit gains around week 8ish so upping your test another 150-250 helps keep the gains coming. Or u could save the SuperDrol for the last 4 weeks . That's what I would do. I've finished a cycle with sd and with the proper diet u can lean out nicely while still adding muscle. SuperDrol is one of my fav orals. The sides are a little shitty but nothing the proper supps can't eliminate or make it easier to deal with. Also msten for the last 4 would be nice too

 

[MuscleGauge1]

The first thing you should do would be to raise your test levels. This will give you the best chance at reaching your goals. I think your goals are realistic and you can achieve them. What type of program are you using currently to train. How about your nutrition what type of things are you eating right now? How many calories per day? How many meals. Let me see if I can help. Also good luck on your training.

 

[longworthb]

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[Ironman2001]

The first thing you should do would be to raise your test levels. This will give you the best chance at reaching your goals. I think your goals are realistic and you can achieve them. What type of program are you using currently to train. How about your nutrition what type of things are you eating right now? How many calories per day? How many meals. Let me see if I can help. Also good luck on your training.

Raise his test levels eh? BRILLIANT! Now why didn't anyone else think of that? :coffee :

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[longworthb]

Lol no shit oh and negged

 

[Sickofskinny]

Thanks for the advise guys! So weeks 8-12 bump up to 750mg, 3 shots a week?

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

It is his first real cycle, Is there really a point in him raising his test the last 2-3 weeks to "yield better gains" Yes his myostatin levels are going to be increased, but as you increase the aas, myostatin follows as well.

Most time counteracting myostatin, is as simple as adding a back end oral, rather than raising the test, as raising the test will A) take a bit to get to the new levels, and B) by time it gets to those higher levels, the cycle will be over.

Bread and butter will serve you well.

1-12 Test e 500mg/wk
1-4 Dbol 40mg/ed or Super drol 40mg/ed

(Optional) 8-12 Back End Oral SUperdrol or Dbol

PCT starts week 14.

 

[Sickofskinny]

Old School thanks man! I have decided I am going with your advise and going with:

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-4 SD 30mg/wk
Aromasin 12.5mg/ed throughout cycle

PCT
14-17 - Clomid 75/75/50/50
14-17 - Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

I like this plan the most, my next cycle I will consider other options, everything is ordered now and just waiting on the Test to come in, and then I take the trip to the dark side! I plan on logging all of my results as well! Again, thank you all for your help and I look forward to chatting with you guys as this cycle get's under way!

 

[MuscleGauge1]

Old School thanks man! I have decided I am going with your advise and going with:

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-4 SD 30mg/wk
Aromasin 12.5mg/ed throughout cycle

PCT
14-17 - Clomid 75/75/50/50
14-17 - Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

I like this plan the most, my next cycle I will consider other options, everything is ordered now and just waiting on the Test to come in, and then I take the trip to the dark side! I plan on logging all of my results as well! Again, thank you all for your help and I look forward to chatting with you guys as this cycle get's under way!

I think this is a good plan it gives your body the best chance to get results go with this and you might want to add some var to it just for added performance. LEt me know if you have any other questions.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

Old School thanks man! I have decided I am going with your advise and going with:

1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-4 SD 30mg/wk
Aromasin 12.5mg/ed throughout cycle

PCT
14-17 - Clomid 75/75/50/50
14-17 - Aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5

I like this plan the most, my next cycle I will consider other options, everything is ordered now and just waiting on the Test to come in, and then I take the trip to the dark side! I plan on logging all of my results as well! Again, thank you all for your help and I look forward to chatting with you guys as this cycle get's under way!

Looks good, happy growing! Consider the back end oral, its always nice ending with a bang.

Keep us posted, when will you be starting?

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[rage racing]

I like running back end orals for the last 2 weeks of the cycle and for the 2 weeks while i wait for pct. Start pct the day after the last oral. I cruise now but that protocol worked well for me when i pct'd.

 

[Sickofskinny]

I am going to hopefully start next Monday if the Test is in my then, Now I am up in the air if I should kick start or back end....just tell me which to do guys and I will do it! haha Thanks all!

 

[Sickofskinny]

Old school from your above post it looks like doing both kickstart and back end are options?

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

Old school from your above post it looks like doing both kickstart and back end are options?

Both are options but not needed. I would for sure at least start with an oral.

But if you want to keep the gains rolling near the end. Adding a back end oral as we will help push you past your theb myostatin elevated levels.

Like stated above, If you start your back end oral at week 11 - 14 you can keep that "on" feeling as you roll into pct.

If you can only do one oral then run it at the beginning. But if your able to run a second oral run, do it.



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[Sickofskinny]

Hey guys, so here we go! I have done the first 4 weeks of superdrol have have been pinning 500mg of test-e a week, on the SD I gained about 12lbs which is way below the first sd cycle I ran, but was expected. Strength gains are great right now and I am hard a hell and feeling pretty good, no neg sides from the SD and my blood pressure is pretty good too. I am slowly getting used to pinning. the first time I pinned was in the right glute at my buddies place and my addrenalin was pumping so hard that I didn't even feel a thing and it went great. The second time I was alone and nearly passed the F out. Since the second time it's all been good! SO, I do feel as though the test is just really starting to kick in, I have seen it's the norm for the test to kick in between weeks 4-5?

OK GUYS BE NICE, only one problem has came up..my Aromisin supplier F*CKED me and never sent me my sh i t and refunded me my money! SO I have been looking for a new supplier for that and clomid. I DO have Nolva on hand just incase I need it.

Diet and training have been on point. I am very excited to see how the next 8 weeks go!

Any input would be awesome guys.