Need advice on perscribed TRT meds.

[ohiostate2827]

How do I get my SHBG to raise? I always seems to have problems with estrogen, it has been the last couple years but even on 100mg of cypionate every 5 or 7 days, i have to monitor it close. I start feeling soft and start getting man boobs, feeling like shit and then I take some otc pct product to help with estrogen but then I do labs and it all comes back looking good but still feel soft..My bodyfat was 17% the last time checked so not too bad. The whole trt thing was to try to get everything on a level. Years of prohormone seemed to mess things up hormonally..Just trying to get things on a level...

correcting thyroid, insulin resistance as well as now leptin resistance has been shown to help increase SHBG. With low SHBG TRT should be given with more frequent dosages like 50mg on Monday and again on Thursday. An AI can be thrown in to cover any negative estrogen issues.. i prefer aromasin

 

[flagsup]

correcting thyroid, insulin resistance as well as now leptin resistance has been shown to help increase SHBG. With low SHBG TRT should be given with more frequent dosages like 50mg on Monday and again on Thursday. An AI can be thrown in to cover any negative estrogen issues.. i prefer aromasin

doing a smaller dose a couple times a week, won't that also help with any estrogen related issues? Ijust started my first 100mg every 5 days, suppose to do labs 5 days after 3rd shot..

 

[ohiostate2827]

doing a smaller dose a couple times a week, won't that also help with any estrogen related issues? Ijust started my first 100mg every 5 days, suppose to do labs 5 days after 3rd shot..

monday and thurs in divided dose is better. wont get the spike in estrogen.. still may have to take an AI.. i had too but everyone is different

 

[dave 236]

bioavailable test is the free test and test that is mildly bound to the protein albumin..about 2-3% of all test is free.. and the unbound portion is inactive because it is mostly bound to plasma protein such as the shbg..

a small dose of winstrol even at 10mg ed or eod would allow more of your test to be unbound in a free state if needed...

This^^^ 10-25 mg of winstrol will lower shbg. Throwing in an ai wouldn't be the worst idea either.

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[s2h]

To flagsup.....I read back thru all your prior posts....kinda a two fold solution...

Taking one 200mg shot of test cyp every 2 weeks will make you feel like...well the way you feel...your endo is very unversed in HRT/TRT...the every 2 week injection method is ancient news and anyone prescribing it is clearly not well informed...might tell him to download the latest dosing guidelines into his PC...cause clearly he has the 2005 version..

So if he won't bump your dose...cause you are "in range"...or even regardless if he does...do NOT inject one time every 2 weeks..

If its 200mg do this..
50mg mon-thurs-mon-thurs--200mg's

Your blood levels will be much more stable...shbg was fine and e2 was fine but I don't recall how long after you injected you got tested...

The 50mg's a pop over those 4 days will make you feel much better...get some ed cialis for the woody issues...not only helps that but bp and prostate health...and helps with viscosity....win win...hell WADA has cialis on the banned list....

 

[flagsup]

To flagsup.....I read back thru all your prior posts....kinda a two fold solution...

Taking one 200mg shot of test cyp every 2 weeks will make you feel like...well the way you feel...your endo is very unversed in HRT/TRT...the every 2 week injection method is ancient news and anyone prescribing it is clearly not well informed...might tell him to download the latest dosing guidelines into his PC...cause clearly he has the 2005 version..

So if he won't bump your dose...cause you are "in range"...or even regardless if he does...do NOT inject one time every 2 weeks..

If its 200mg do this..
50mg mon-thurs-mon-thurs--200mg's

Your blood levels will be much more stable...shbg was fine and e2 was fine but I don't recall how long after you injected you got tested...

The 50mg's a pop over those 4 days will make you feel much better...get some ed cialis for the woody issues...not only helps that but bp and prostate health...and helps with viscosity....win win...hell WADA has cialis on the banned list....

I didn't do the shot every 2 weeks because I knew he was smokin something, I started the 100mg every 7 days and tested 7 days after my 6 shot, that way my endo thought I was testing after my 3 rd shot, for every 2 wks..After my labs I talked to him and told him I was doing once a week but was feeling like crap and tired on day 6-7, that I wanted to up my dose to get closer to 800 on my overall test level, and asked if going every 5 days would be better, he said he wouldn't up my dose because it was an addictable drug but if I wanted to do 100mg every 5 days that was fine but I just needed to do labs 5 days after my 3rd shot, which is June 4th..Feeling like crap and being tired has nothing to do with my test levels because I am in mid range he says..So, I have been doing 100mg every 5 days since. Feel better than every 7 days but still feel a lag in there. My estrogen seems to go up and down, I take arime stage 5 every couple days, and every once in awhile I have to take it every day or I seems to get man boobs poppin out...For the most part my erections are good and strong, every now and then I have issues now..I have heard about a low dose of cialis to go along with trt to optomize sexual performance..I am going to stick with every 5 days until my labs then I will adjust. But you are saying that 50 every mon and thurs is still better than 100 every 5 days?

 

[ohiostate2827]

AI can make you feel like crap.. no motibation..tired easy..hows your diet and what supps if any are you taking?

 

[Bonerstomp]

What level should your T be at?

 

[ohiostate2827]

What level should your T be at?

800-1000 or what makes u feel well. Mine hang in the 600s..free test is what really matters mine is in the 200spg/ml.. Not really into chasing numbers

 

[flagsup]

AI can make you feel like crap.. no motibation..tired easy..hows your diet and what supps if any are you taking?

I take arimpct stage 5 for ai, seems to work ok, protein powder breakfast shake, fish oil, maca in my shake for breakfast..

 

[flagsup]

AI can make you feel like crap.. no motibation..tired easy..hows your diet and what supps if any are you taking?

also, my diet is high in protein, low carbs and low fat, have always been a healthy eater. Oh, I also take some tribulus. I am 6'1" and weigh 195lbs, bodyfat last tested about 2 months ago was 17%..I workout 5 days a week, intensity is ok, could be better..

 

[ohiostate2827]

also, my diet is high in protein, low carbs and low fat, have always been a healthy eater. Oh, I also take some tribulus. I am 6'1" and weigh 195lbs, bodyfat last tested about 2 months ago was 17%..I workout 5 days a week, intensity is ok, could be better..

i would through n some vit d3 5000iu in summer then up it to 10000iu in winter...vit e 400iu with your fish oil.. coq10 50mg per day..believe it or not 50% of my diet is fats..but i dont eat any sugar..sugar causes the body to be inflamed and it raises estrogen.. having a high animal fat diet i still have abs.. some ppl say money is the root of all thats evil...i believe its sugar

 

[flagsup]

i would through n some vit d3 5000iu in summer then up it to 10000iu in winter...vit e 400iu with your fish oil.. coq10 50mg per day..believe it or not 50% of my diet is fats..but i dont eat any sugar..sugar causes the body to be inflamed and it raises estrogen.. having a high animal fat diet i still have abs.. some ppl say money is the root of all thats evil...i believe its sugar

Thanks for the advice, I will get on that...My wife and I were just checking out this new calorie counter app for our androids and I couldn't believe how much sugar was in my diet, changing that also..Thanks for all the solid advice..

 

[flagsup]

So..I do my labs 5 days after my third shot, since it got switched to pin every 5 days. I get a letter in the mail today from the endo telling me that my estrogen is 31, which is in normal range (0-50) so there is no need to keep checking estrogen...No results on anything else mentioned. wtf..Are they all this stupid? Now, I have to call the nurse monday so she can send me my entire lab workup..what a pain in the ass these docs are..atleast I know my otc ai isn't working worth shit...

 

[ohiostate2827]

So..I do my labs 5 days after my third shot, since it got switched to pin every 5 days. I get a letter in the mail today from the endo telling me that my estrogen is 31, which is in normal range (0-50) so there is no need to keep checking estrogen...No results on anything else mentioned. wtf..Are they all this stupid? Now, I have to call the nurse monday so she can send me my entire lab workup..what a pain in the ass these docs are..atleast I know my otc ai isn't working worth shit...

E2 shouldnt be any higher than 42 that scale is wrong .. one doc tried to tell me u can go as low as 3 and as high as 70 WRONG... most ppl are good with 20-30 depending on how they are feeling

 

[flagsup]

E2 shouldnt be any higher than 42 that scale is wrong .. one doc tried to tell me u can go as low as 3 and as high as 70 WRONG... most ppl are good with 20-30 depending on how they are feeling

Everytime I bring up estro, my endo shoots it down like it is not something to talk about.I ask him about arimadex and he says no way, that's for women with breast cancer.. I am going to run my own labs on that from now on. I think I got out of my endo all I am going to get. Monday I can call and find out where my test is at..When I ran my estrogen down to 4, I could feel the difference, at 31 it feels really high. When my arimadex comes in I was thinking about starting with a .25 mg twice a week, does that sound alright? It took me post cycle from vital labs and formeron to lower it last time to 4. I thought the over the counter one I was taking was doing good but when I bumped to 100mg every 5 days it wasn't strong enough anymore..still haven't decided on hcg, just trying to get my test squared away first..

 

[jagbender]

I have been reading alot and checking out some TRT clinics. Anyone know any around the spokane, wa. area. I found a good one in seattle that charges $20-$40/ week with labs included, does that sound about normal? I appreciate the advice. This axiron makes me nervous when it comes to transferance to my wife. Put it on, wait 3 min to dry, wait 2 hours and wash to have contact with my wife, that shit is messed up...Alot of hassle to be doing for a long time..

This is a GOOD reason to app[roach your doctor about going to injectable Test

 

[jagbender]

So..I do my labs 5 days after my third shot, since it got switched to pin every 5 days. I get a letter in the mail today from the endo telling me that my estrogen is 31, which is in normal range (0-50) so there is no need to keep checking estrogen...No results on anything else mentioned. wtf..Are they all this stupid? Now, I have to call the nurse monday so she can send me my entire lab workup..what a pain in the ass these docs are..atleast I know my otc ai isn't working worth shit...

Are you getting your own labs done? Myprivatemd.com will do a female hormone panel for 59.00 (yes Males can use this one) if you sign up and get the news letter you get 15% discount.

 

[ohiostate2827]

Everytime I bring up estro, my endo shoots it down like it is not something to talk about.I ask him about arimadex and he says no way, that's for women with breast cancer.. I am going to run my own labs on that from now on. I think I got out of my endo all I am going to get. Monday I can call and find out where my test is at..When I ran my estrogen down to 4, I could feel the difference, at 31 it feels really high. When my arimadex comes in I was thinking about starting with a .25 mg twice a week, does that sound alright? It took me post cycle from vital labs and formeron to lower it last time to 4. I thought the over the counter one I was taking was doing good but when I bumped to 100mg every 5 days it wasn't strong enough anymore..still haven't decided on hcg, just trying to get my test squared away first..

.25mg twice per would be fine

 

[jagbender]

Everytime I bring up estro, my endo shoots it down like it is not something to talk about.I ask him about arimadex and he says no way, that's for women with breast cancer.. I am going to run my own labs on that from now on. I think I got out of my endo all I am going to get. Monday I can call and find out where my test is at..When I ran my estrogen down to 4, I could feel the difference, at 31 it feels really high. When my arimadex comes in I was thinking about starting with a .25 mg twice a week, does that sound alright? It took me post cycle from vital labs and formeron to lower it last time to 4. I thought the over the counter one I was taking was doing good but when I bumped to 100mg every 5 days it wasn't strong enough anymore..still haven't decided on hcg, just trying to get my test squared away first..

I am at .125 of adex twice a week on 120 mg testc last labs posted on another thread http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/testosterone-replacement-therapy/182475-trt-estradiol-control.html

I am very sensitive to Adex. running 120 mg test with no adex my e level was 57 taking .25 twice a week it was 7

 

[flagsup]

I am at .125 of adex twice a week on 120 mg testc last labs posted on another thread http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/testosterone-replacement-therapy/182475-trt-estradiol-control.html

I am very sensitive to Adex. running 120 mg test with no adex my e level was 57 taking .25 twice a week it was 7

Just got my labs back..Totals on 100mg every 5 days of cypionate, total test 767, free test 265, estrogen 31, shbg 7..Hopefully the endo will leave me there, will find out this morning..I want to get my estro to 15-20, seems to be my sweet spot...Maybe .25 arimadex will do the trick. Yes, I found private labs close to me and checked on the female hormone panel..

 

[flagsup]

just talked to the endo this morning, he wants to put me back on one shot every 7 days because he says my levels are too high for him to be comfortable with one shot every 5 days. He also says that one shot every 5 days is too frequent for what is acceptable. So at this point I am asking for any advice to go from here. I am at the point where I have used my endo for all I can. Big Moe, any suggestions? Whst would u do with my results. my lapse in prescription will be about a week and a half and my endo says just tough it out your levels won't fall.what an ass.

 

[ohiostate2827]

just talked to the endo this morning, he wants to put me back on one shot every 7 days because he says my levels are too high for him to be comfortable with one shot every 5 days. He also says that one shot every 5 days is too frequent for what is acceptable. So at this point I am asking for any advice to go from here. I am at the point where I have used my endo for all I can. Big Moe, any suggestions? Whst would u do with my results. my lapse in prescription will be about a week and a half and my endo says just tough it out your levels won't fall.what an ass.

time for a new dr.. he has no clue as to what he is doing..he is not up to date on protocols.. When he told you to tough it out it was just his way of saying.. Im not a good dr for TRT.. He is saying their are better drs out in the medical world... If you had cancer or AIDS a dr wouldnt go without giving you your meds and they surly wouldnt say just tough it out.. I really hate cocky retarded drs.. They dont like me either lol

 

[flagsup]

time for a new dr.. he has no clue as to what he is doing..he is not up to date on protocols.. When he told you to tough it out it was just his way of saying.. Im not a good dr for TRT.. He is saying their are better drs out in the medical world... If you had cancer or AIDS a dr wouldnt go without giving you your meds and they surly wouldnt say just tough it out.. I really hate cocky retarded drs.. They dont like me either lol

I am tired of dealing with these stupid docs. At this point, I am just trying to figure out if my last labs sound good and if I should stay with every 5 days. I am not going back to every 7 days, my levels were still really low at that. My insurance won't divy up more than a month supply so the doc wrote me a script for 10cc so I might just buy this one outright to get a supply and get some under the radar to supplement for every 5 days..What doc don't know won't hurt him, right..I have a pretty good idea at this point what I need to do, just looking for some insight..

 

[1693]

Maybe a4m.com/directory.html has a doc for you?

 

[ohiostate2827]

I am tired of dealing with these stupid docs. At this point, I am just trying to figure out if my last labs sound good and if I should stay with every 5 days. I am not going back to every 7 days, my levels were still really low at that. My insurance won't divy up more than a month supply so the doc wrote me a script for 10cc so I might just buy this one outright to get a supply and get some under the radar to supplement for every 5 days..What doc don't know won't hurt him, right..I have a pretty good idea at this point what I need to do, just looking for some insight..

monday and thursday protocol worked best for me.. my test levels always stayed in the 1100s . no rollercoaster effect

 

[flagsup]

monday and thursday protocol worked best for me.. my test levels always stayed in the 1100s . no rollercoaster effect

what are normal free test and bioavailable levels? on 100 mg every 5 days my free test was 279.5 range 46-224 doc says. bioavailable is 562.7 range 110-575, estradiol 32. total test 761.

on 100mg every 7 days total 474, free 123.7, bioavailable 249, estadiol 19

Doc says my free and bioavailable are too high on 100mg every 5 days...You suggest monday and thursday, how should I dose that for perfection? Not just what I can get from endo..The most endo will give me is 100mg every 7 days...

 

[flagsup]

Your plan is perfect. I wouldnt care if my doc only gave me 50mgs a week, you just need the script so you can travel with it and all that other stuff. Save your script bottles so you can fill them up with other stuff if needed.

If my levels are on 100mg every 7 days..474 total, 123 free, 249 bioavailable, e2 19, shbg 13, albumin 4.4

100mg every 5 days.761 total, 279 free, 562 bioavailable, e2 32, shbg 7. albumin 4.4.

Doc wants me to go back to every 7 days because says my free test is too high...Would going back to 100mg every 7 or 50mg mon and thurs, starting HCG, arimadex, raise my levels up to exceptable levels..I deffinately feels the difference on 100mg every 5 days but need to control my e2, feels really high. Not sure if I should just stick with what the doc is giving me or start going off grid to bump what I need to bump up in addition to what the doc is giving. What are your thoughts on this with my levels what they are???

 

[independent]

Just plead with him first that you feel great now and would like to keep it the way it is. How many days are you testing after your injection? Hcg will definetly give your levels a boost, at least a couple hundred points.

 

[ohiostate2827]

what are normal free test and bioavailable levels? on 100 mg every 5 days my free test was 279.5 range 46-224 doc says. bioavailable is 562.7 range 110-575, estradiol 32. total test 761.

on 100mg every 7 days total 474, free 123.7, bioavailable 249, estadiol 19

Doc says my free and bioavailable are too high on 100mg every 5 days...You suggest monday and thursday, how should I dose that for perfection? Not just what I can get from endo..The most endo will give me is 100mg every 7 days...

just do 50mg on mon and 50mg on thurs..its a very small dose..your test levels look fine either way 5 days or 7..only diff is your e2 is lower on the 7day protocol... but instead of chasing and worring about the numbers.. how are you feeling? you could even do 40mg and 40mg... some ppl think they need alot to feel well again