George Zimmerman Not Guilty

[Little Wing]

Based on the "facts" so far:

skinny black kid vs rotund vagina more like it.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

you really think the skinny black dude could have beat zimmerman to death? i don't. i've seem guys way bigger than those two do their best to fuck each other up n just bust lips n knock out teeth. swollen faces and black eyes and abrasions on your skull aren't life n death matters. there isn't one bit of dna from trayvon on the gun and if they were wrestling over it there'd be at least some smudged fingerprints wouldn't there?

sugar ray on the right

 

[Little Wing]

Sugar Ray was little. I stood next to him coming out of the Ali Holmes fight in Vegas. The only thing the skinny kid in question was training for was eating some skittles n downing some tea. World of difference between an average teen and a world class boxer.

 

[hoyle21]

Not to mention I believe Zimmerman was taking the fight training.

 

[flcrkr]

The little thug wanna be was 5'11" and 158 pounds. Zimmerman had every right and was carrying because they have had a lot of robberies and home invasions in the area. I know the area well and there are a lot of gang bangers in the area. I always carry when I know I will be working or going through areas like Sanford and it has nothing to do with being afraid or a pussy but everything to do with being able to fight fire with fire. I would rather have my pistol and not need it than to need it and not have it.

 

[DOMS]

on a kid like trayvon most of their weight seems to be bones. a lot of strength in their leverage. i think zimmerman was a real tough guy in his mind till someone actually had their hands on him then he was one of the biggest cowards in recent history.

You keep throwing out lies, I point them out (with sources), and you just move onto something else. It's with your opinion that Zimmerman was in the wrong, the facts and legal system say otherwise.

Sorry if that sounds rough, but that's what's been happening.

 

[Little Wing]

you know what has been reported as fact. i'm sure a lot of the facts in this case will never see the light of day let alone make it into a court room. and i've said at least once here that this is my opinion and i keep saying "i think." my opinion is that this was caused by an over zealous idiot playing cop.

 

[Little Wing]

"these assholes they always get away"

he made sure this one didn't.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

Sugar Ray was little. I stood next to him coming out of the Ali Holmes fight in Vegas. The only thing the skinny kid in question was training for was eating some skittles n downing some tea. World of difference between an average teen and a world class boxer.

of course/....you keep bringing up size like its relevant...im a bad ass...sugar ray is literally half my size and would beat the fuck out of me without breaking a sweat....as a teen I was grown and beat grown men down....the kid acted like a thug...wanted to be one....he got his wish

 

[Swiper]

you really think the skinny black dude could have beat zimmerman to death?

yes. slam his head in the concrete causing him to be knocked out, then keep slamming it until death. very easy to do. even just one hard hit to the concrete can kill a person.

Was Zimmerman suppose to just let Martin keep slamming his head into concrete and just hope he'll stop at some point?

 

[troubador]

You keep throwing out lies, I point them out (with sources), and you just move onto something else. It's with your opinion that Zimmerman was in the wrong, the facts and legal system say otherwise.

Sorry if that sounds rough, but that's what's been happening.

We're arguing the legality of it against people's feelings. It's a lost cause.

 

[troubador]

yes. slam his head in the concrete causing him to be knocked out, then keep slamming it until death. very easy to do. even just one hard hit to the concrete can kill a person.

Was Zimmerman suppose to just let Martin keep slamming his head into concrete and just hope he'll stop at some point?

She doesn't seem to be able to separate her feelings that Zimmerman shouldn't have been "following" and the aspect of what legally constitutes self defense.

A defendant, under Florida law, loses his stand your ground defense if he provoked the encounter but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force. Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman and if Zimmerman couldn't protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)

Read more: Drop George Zimmerman

That's from a Harvard law professor btw.

Everything points to Zimmerman being legally innocent. All this shit about him being a pussy and a wannabe cop is just bitch gossip.

 

[murf23]

LW is basing her whole debate off of her feelings and no facts at all ...You cant debate feelings so I guess she wins ...She has no facts in any of her statements . In fact she even makes up lies to back up her feelings . Some ppl are beyond an intelligent debate and obviously she is one of them . I am not that intelligent lol but I still base my staments off facts .

Not bashing her by any means . I have plenty of respect for her just not when it comes to tough emotional issues , She is a women after all so what can you expect

 

[Little Wing]

it's not just feelings. zimmerman has a violent record he lied a lot made a statement these assholes like he already found the kid guilty... a witness said the fight was over when the shot was fired. guess we will never know.

 

[Little Wing]

murf. look up zimmerman's lies. he lied from the get go about more than his finances.

 

[DOMS]

i've said at least once here that this is my opinion and i keep saying "i think." my opinion is that this was caused by an over zealous idiot playing cop.

And opinions are fine, but you stated stuff like Travyon only weighing 120 pounds and George calling 911 over 40 times in a month, which were given as though they're factual.

 

[maniclion]

Or if he acted responsibly and not attacked Zimmerman.

No wait, Zimmerman called the cops then instigated a fight with Martin, pulled Martin on top of him all part of his master plan to murder some kid he never met. Also, racism and stuff.

He was all worked up because he had seen one of the burglars earlier, called the cops and they responded too slow. He wasn't gonna let no thug get away from him this time. His mind was made up to confront Martin as he was talking to the 911 operator.

Now imagine you are a young black kid in a new neighborhood and you see a truck rolling slowly following you and staring at you. Just as Zimmerman thought only bad things were ahead, Martin was in that same frame of mind. What to do but run away from potential danger. Zimmerman had no cause, and was told by the 911 operator not to give chase. He had nothing to go on except for suspicion. From what I can put together by stitching the witness statements into a single 3-d story is that Zimmerman pulled his weapon, told him to stop, Martin stopped and Zimmerman ran smack into the back of his head like a keystone cop getting a bloody nose in the process. Martin turns over and sees a man not in any uniform and fears for his life, he chose flight first and now he has to fight.

Zimmerman caused all of this and needs to be punished in someway. Sadly it will likely be in civil court from a lawsuit from Martins family, but some justice must come. Vigilantism should not be rewarded, unless there was a definite crime being committed, and no chance for law enforcement to intervene in time.

 

[Little Wing]

oh the emotional woman. what is this? the 40s? what lies? i wasn't glued to the trial, didn't know the kids weight. did anyone even listen to audio on 911 call? what do you supposed he warned me he'd kill him meant?

 

[Little Wing]

He was all worked up because he had seen one of the burglars earlier, called the cops and they responded too slow. He wasn't gonna let no thug get away from him this time. His mind was made up to confront Martin as he was talking to the 911 operator.

Now imagine you are a young black kid in a new neighborhood and you see a truck rolling slowly following you and staring at you. Just as Zimmerman thought only bad things were ahead, Martin was in that same frame of mind. What to do but run away from potential danger. Zimmerman had no cause, and was told by the 911 operator not to give chase. He had nothing to go on except for suspicion. From what I can put together by stitching the witness statements into a single 3-d story is that Zimmerman pulled his weapon, told him to stop, Martin stopped and Zimmerman ran smack into the back of his head like a keystone cop getting a bloody nose in the process. Martin turns over and sees a man not in any uniform and fears for his life, he chose flight first and now he has to fight.

Zimmerman caused all of this and needs to be punished in someway. Sadly it will likely be in civil court from a lawsuit from Martins family, but some justice must come. Vigilantism should not be rewarded, unless there was a definite crime being committed, and no chance for law enforcement to intervene in time.

clearly you are way too emotional about this.

 

[DOMS]

a witness said the fight was over when the shot was fired.

You're doing it again...

Source. From the first key witness.

"Well going back to when they were vertical I could tell the person on the bottom had a lighter skinned color," said Good.

The statement suggests Martin had the tactical advantage, implying he was the aggressor.

Good then qualified his testimony, saying the person on top was in a ground and pound position.

"The person on top being able to punch the person on the bottom. But the person on the bottom also has a chance to get out or punch the person on top. It?s back and forth," he explained.
It was no doubt damaging testimony for the state

"It's all about who the jury believes and who they think is trustworthy. When I watched John Good testify today he wasn't on either side," said Diane Dimond, investigative journalist for the Daily Beast. "He wasn't on Trayvon Martin's side and he wasn't on George Zimmerman's side. But what he said I thought was much more compelling for the defense case, even though he was a prosecution witness."

There is no mention of a shooting after the hostilities stopped.

Source. The other key witness.

"I saw figures, arms flailing," Bahadoor said. "It looked like arms moving."


Bahadoor said she left to turn off a stove and then heard a gunshot. The next time she looked out, she saw a body in the grass behind her townhome, she testified.

Again, nothing that's even remotely close to what you said.

 

[DOMS]

He was all worked up because he had seen one of the burglars earlier, called the cops and they responded too slow. He wasn't gonna let no thug get away from him this time. His mind was made up to confront Martin as he was talking to the 911 operator.

Now imagine you are a young black kid in a new neighborhood and you see a truck rolling slowly following you and staring at you. Just as Zimmerman thought only bad things were ahead, Martin was in that same frame of mind. What to do but run away from potential danger. Zimmerman had no cause, and was told by the 911 operator not to give chase. He had nothing to go on except for suspicion. From what I can put together by stitching the witness statements into a single 3-d story is that Zimmerman pulled his weapon, told him to stop, Martin stopped and Zimmerman ran smack into the back of his head like a keystone cop getting a bloody nose in the process. Martin turns over and sees a man not in any uniform and fears for his life, he chose flight first and now he has to fight.

Zimmerman caused all of this and needs to be punished in someway. Sadly it will likely be in civil court from a lawsuit from Martins family, but some justice must come. Vigilantism should not be rewarded, unless there was a definite crime being committed, and no chance for law enforcement to intervene in time.

A lot of words, but zero facts towards George's guilt.

 

[Little Wing]

And opinions are fine, but you stated stuff like Travyon only weighing 120 pounds and George calling 911 over 40 times in a month, which were given as though they're factual.

i clearly asked what did he weigh? a buck 20? obviously i was guessing. i read the calls were made in a month and i read most were reported as blacks. there's no proof the calls posted were all the calls he made.

 

[DOMS]

i clearly asked what did he weigh? a buck 20? obviously i was guessing. i read the calls were made in a month and i read most were reported as blacks. there's no proof the calls posted were all the calls he made.

Here you intimate that George was rejected from police service because he's mentally unstable:

you honestly don't think zimmerman was a little too messed up in the head with the police force rejection n all that? no way to know for sure but i really think he was looking for some action.

Here you call him a "little boy", even though he's 4 inches taller than Zimmerman and only weighs 37 pounds less than Zimmerman.

a little boy trying to act like a tough guy is as old as time itself probably. still makes a grown man a pussy to be scared of him.

Here you stating that Travyon weighs 120.

i find it illogical that a real man would need to use a gun in a fistfight with a teenager.

or that anyone weighing 120 pounds is going to beat a little doughboy to death with his bare hands faster than neighbors can come to his aide or the police who are on their way can arrive.

You're just tyring to dodge this one by saying that you didn't explicity state that Trayvon was 120, but you wrote it to be read that way.

Also -- I don't care to quote anymore at this point -- you stated that George called 911 over 40 times in one month. When it had in fact been 40 times in about 8 and half years.

You're upset that a teen had been killed and, facts be damned, George is guilty.

 

[s2h]

1 down 12 million to go...

 

[FUZO]

1 down 12 million to go...

lol hahahahahahah

 

[flcrkr]

Bottom line is the Sanford police dept and the Seminole county prosecutor's office did a full investigation and did not bring any charges against him because after doing numerous interviews and taking multiple eye witness statements they felt that he acted
within his rights and could not prove it was not self defense.Then the NAACP and Al Sharpton got involved and used the kid to further their own personal agenda and the Governor assigned special prosecutors to bring him to trial knowing that they could not prove that it wasn't self defense and the only hope they had was to get an emotional verdict and not one based on the law. That didn't happen and I am glad that the six female jurors got it right and didn't convict on emotion like the state was counting on. I agree that their will be civil suits but it is the state and the media that should be worried not Zimmerman

 

[troubador]

From what I can put together by stitching the witness statements into a single 3-d story is that Zimmerman pulled his weapon, told him to stop, Martin stopped and Zimmerman ran smack into the back of his head like a keystone cop getting a bloody nose in the process. Martin turns over and sees a man not in any uniform and fears for his life, he chose flight first and now he has to fight.

I haven't heard this. Please provide a link.

 

[Standard Donkey]

says the guy who avoids women like the plauge cuz your daddy thinks you're not tough enough to handle the heartbreak. sounds reasonable.

lol glad to see you haven't changed a bit.. still using the same ol' quip

 

[Standard Donkey]

Here you intimate that George was rejected from police service because he's mentally unstable:



Here you call him a "little boy", even though he's 4 inches taller than Zimmerman and only weighs 37 pounds less than Zimmerman.



Here you stating that Travyon weighs 120.



You're just tyring to dodge this one by saying that you didn't explicity state that Trayvon was 120, but you wrote it to be read that way.

Also -- I don't care to quote anymore at this point -- you stated that George called 911 over 40 times in one month. When it had in fact been 40 times in about 8 and half years.

You're upset that a teen had been killed and, facts be damned, George is guilty.

DOMS just stop.. you can prove her wrong all you want, it won't make a difference.

 

[hoyle21]

Bottom line is the Sanford police dept and the Seminole county prosecutor's office did a full investigation and did not bring any charges against him because after doing numerous interviews and taking multiple eye witness statements they felt that he acted
within his rights and could not prove it was not self defense.Then the NAACP and Al Sharpton got involved and used the kid to further their own personal agenda and the Governor assigned special prosecutors to bring him to trial knowing that they could not prove that it wasn't self defense and the only hope they had was to get an emotional verdict and not one based on the law. That didn't happen and I am glad that the six female jurors got it right and didn't convict on emotion like the state was counting on. I agree that their will be civil suits but it is the state and the media that should be worried not Zimmerman

That's not true either. The lead investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter after his investigation.

Florida prosecutors are idiots. Just like with Casey Anthony they over reached badly in trying to prove a case. I think if they would have tried they probably could have gotten him with manslaughter, but they never had enough evidence for Murder 2.