What is a good oral to take with tren?

[slownsteady]

I guess I love other people, and want the best for them. Oh, and no Anti E or anti- aromatizing stuff is used for this at all.

 

[UA_Iron]

Fuck it, take it all.

You haven't bothered planning, why start now right?


I wouldn't touch dbol anymore - but then again you're running adrol and deca together, so I think your goals are different.

If its size, run the dbol at first, then the winny, then the var as the test cyp clears.

 

[Diesel618]

Winny is great. Lean gains and added vascularity. Winny actually builds size which makes it awesome to stack with tren.

Look at Ben Johnson. Winny is powerful shit.

 

[s2h]

just had my BP checked it was 146/83 .. is this good, decent, slightly high? this chart says it is mild hypertension.. scared to do the tren now

Blood Pressure Chart - Normal Blood Pressure Range

That's a touch on the high side...look a t few things..

Do you have the right size cuff?..cause a normal cuff will show a hi reading on a arm over 15 inches...might need a thigh cuff..

Is there family history?.some people just have hbp passed down to them...if so look into what meds your parent(s) take that works..cause that's normally the fix..

Were you still and rested for 15 min prior to testing?..another must..

Hydration is a possibility...sodium intake(processed food) etc..

Are you using a AI?..lots of those "i don't have gyno so I don't need a AI" guys out there...

 

[cerberus16sk]

Fuck it, take it all.

You haven't bothered planning, why start now right?


I wouldn't touch dbol anymore - but then again you're running adrol and deca together, so I think your goals are different.

If its size, run the dbol at first, then the winny, then the var as the test cyp clears.

I have planned, this is just very experimental. Im trying 3 different compounds I havent tried. I only have a little bit of each thing.

The Deca/Anadrol worked exactly how I wanted it to.

Since I stopped the Anadrol my BP is significantly lower. I never worry about it at all anymore, Dbol is way milder in every way, except it does seem to add a little more strength and less size. Now that im not on anadrol I feel safe to use the tren, and yes the cuff was very tight and my arm is bigger than 15 inches.

Thanks for the advice, I guess it will be tren/dbol then test/winny, then anavar last if i feel alright. Thats a lot of orals though i'm not sure if I really want to use all of them.. dat liver

 

[cerberus16sk]

i wonder what it's like taking steroids and then winning the gold at the olympics.. yea everyone uses them, and its still an amazing accomplishment.. but deep down inside wouldnt a small part of you feel like a scumbag? what if some of your opponents are natty.. that really sucks for them lol

 

[cerberus16sk]

That's a touch on the high side...look a t few things..

Do you have the right size cuff?..cause a normal cuff will show a hi reading on a arm over 15 inches...might need a thigh cuff..

Is there family history?.some people just have hbp passed down to them...if so look into what meds your parent(s) take that works..cause that's normally the fix..

Were you still and rested for 15 min prior to testing?..another must..

Hydration is a possibility...sodium intake(processed food) etc..

Are you using a AI?..lots of those "i don't have gyno so I don't need a AI" guys out there...

i beleive an AI would have been the cure but I didn't want to lose gainz. Once i stopped the anadrol i went back to normal, and dbol doesnt bother me at all. it must have been the estrogen.. any time i take an anti estrogen, i can literally feel when it stops working and i need to redose.. estrogen is a son of a bitch when it comes to BP. never feel healthier than on letro.

 

[the_predator]

^I guess you are just going to avoid my replies altogether then. Usually that is a sign of one of two things....ignorance and/or admittance of being wrong. Well, I tried looking out for your well being...have fun with your "experiment" hopefully you are a fairly young guy and can bounce back.

 

[cerberus16sk]

And why not use test as a base? Is your only reason...high blood pressure with the tren combo? Hey great idea...do what most bros do on here, go donate blood, drops the bp almost instantly. IML "advanced cycle support" has also helped plenty members on here lower their bp a little, including me! Do me a favor, do a search on this site about "no test cycles". The one crazy bastard that truly advocated this is SD. And no offense to SD(love you bud) but have you seen some of his cycles? He is like an insane lab rat! Listen bro, the only reason I'm getting heated is because I don't want you making the same mistakes as me and other members. I did shit wrong for a long time and paid for it. I didn't read and research like I should have. I really didn't learn the right way until a few years ago. Don't believe me? Read some of my old posts. I self admit that many years ago I didn't know what I was doing. If you don't listen to me, at least do a search here or on google and read up bro. Don't wind up on trt and struggle to have another kid for 7 years cause you dont do the research.

Since you want a reply so bad i'll give you one. The reason I dont use test as a base is because you don't have to. Not using test as a base is not the reason you had trouble having kids. Maybe it was from cycling too long or too often, or improper PCT. not everything you read people say on forums is facts, instead of repeating what other people say you should try to get an understanding of why. If you're suggesting that Deca only will put you on trt but Deca and Test together won't.. you're silly. You should do some reading

 

[the_predator]

Two things...how old are you and have you had any blood work done? If you did, have you had baselines set for your tren/deca only cycle?

 

[the_predator]

Not mine, but an interesting piece out of a good article non the less.

In the case of the utilization of Testosterone as a base essential compound in every single cycle, the idea of running a cycle that does not include Testosterone (or is an oral anabolic steroid only cycle) is, simply put, a very bad idea. Without any form of Testosterone present (endogenous or exogenous), the body will be unable to maintain those normal physiological functions that are controlled and governed by Testosterone itself. Many other analogues and derivative anabolic steroids, such as Trenbolone for example, might perhaps be several times as anabolic as Testosterone (in Trenbolone?s case, it is five times the strength of Testosterone, which is extremely impressive). But these attributes and greater anabolic strength increases are all the advantages that the majority of these compounds have going for them. For example, as previously mentioned, Trenbolone is a very strong anabolic steroid ? the strongest conventionally and commercially available anabolic steroid in existence ? with absolutely no Estrogenic effects and very strong anabolic effects. However, it does not serve as a proper androgen for normal physiological function within the body. ?Normal physiological function? refers to far more than one or two functions such as libido or other apparent functions which happen to be overanalyzed and overemphasized by many individuals that do not see what is essentially ?the big picture?. The human body?s physiology and endocrine system are not as abridged and dumbed down as many uneducated anabolic steroid users make it out to be, especially when trivializing the inclusion of Testosterone in every cycle.
Testosterone is a hormone that is vital for proper libido function, it is a regulator of cognitive and physical energy, it serves to regulate the population of thromboxane A2 receptors on megakaryocytes and platelets (and hence platelet aggregation in humans), and it is critical for proper function of mental and psychological processes, as well as a myriad of other crucial physiological functions ? so many, in fact, that to cover all of these functions would require a completely separate article. However, the majority of these functions have already been discussed throughout this article, and the absolute importance of Testosterone in every cycle for the purpose of the upkeep of these proper physiological functions should be of no surprise to the reader at this point. Because a certain anabolic steroid is ?better? or ?stronger? than Testosterone in one or two select areas (namely anabolic tissue increases, which is what every individual overemphasizes), and that it could possibly be more convenient to administer (such as oral-only cycles), absolutely does not mean that it is better than Testosterone in every single aspect and function. The majority of anabolic steroid analogues either do nothing at all or falls very short in providing proper regulation to many of those physiological functions that Testosterone is responsible for regulating and governing. There are in fact a plethora of other anabolic steroid variants that can and do also serve to in fact mitigate (hamper or disable) those functions.

 

[cerberus16sk]

Not mine, but an interesting piece out of a good article non the less.

In the case of the utilization of Testosterone as a base essential compound in every single cycle, the idea of running a cycle that does not include Testosterone (or is an oral anabolic steroid only cycle) is, simply put, a very bad idea. Without any form of Testosterone present (endogenous or exogenous), the body will be unable to maintain those normal physiological functions that are controlled and governed by Testosterone itself. Many other analogues and derivative anabolic steroids, such as Trenbolone for example, might perhaps be several times as anabolic as Testosterone (in Trenbolone?s case, it is five times the strength of Testosterone, which is extremely impressive). But these attributes and greater anabolic strength increases are all the advantages that the majority of these compounds have going for them. For example, as previously mentioned, Trenbolone is a very strong anabolic steroid ? the strongest conventionally and commercially available anabolic steroid in existence ? with absolutely no Estrogenic effects and very strong anabolic effects. However, it does not serve as a proper androgen for normal physiological function within the body. ?Normal physiological function? refers to far more than one or two functions such as libido or other apparent functions which happen to be overanalyzed and overemphasized by many individuals that do not see what is essentially ?the big picture?. The human body?s physiology and endocrine system are not as abridged and dumbed down as many uneducated anabolic steroid users make it out to be, especially when trivializing the inclusion of Testosterone in every cycle.
Testosterone is a hormone that is vital for proper libido function, it is a regulator of cognitive and physical energy, it serves to regulate the population of thromboxane A2 receptors on megakaryocytes and platelets (and hence platelet aggregation in humans), and it is critical for proper function of mental and psychological processes, as well as a myriad of other crucial physiological functions ? so many, in fact, that to cover all of these functions would require a completely separate article. However, the majority of these functions have already been discussed throughout this article, and the absolute importance of Testosterone in every cycle for the purpose of the upkeep of these proper physiological functions should be of no surprise to the reader at this point. Because a certain anabolic steroid is ?better? or ?stronger? than Testosterone in one or two select areas (namely anabolic tissue increases, which is what every individual overemphasizes), and that it could possibly be more convenient to administer (such as oral-only cycles), absolutely does not mean that it is better than Testosterone in every single aspect and function. The majority of anabolic steroid analogues either do nothing at all or falls very short in providing proper regulation to many of those physiological functions that Testosterone is responsible for regulating and governing. There are in fact a plethora of other anabolic steroid variants that can and do also serve to in fact mitigate (hamper or disable) those functions.

this "study" just says what i said and is advice for beginners, test is supposed to help with sex drive and it says other "pysiological functions" but its funny that none of these writings ever list any of these physiological functions because they pulled those words out of their ass to try and sound smart. the other physiological function is thyroid which gives the "cognitive and physical energy". basically the person that wrote that, used a bunch of big words to try and sound smart but they don't know shit. test as a base is good for beginners because it covers all bases in the simplest possible way. simplest =/= best.. a high school football coach trains kids a lot different than an olympic coach trains his athletes. it does not mean one is better than the other. the only thing test does is offset the thyroid deficiency caused by tren/deca and increase sex drive. but with tren you shouldnt have sex drive issues because it has a lot of androgens, if you do its probably thyroid deficiency which can be treated with t3. vitamin b6 will lower prolactin. the more you read, the more you realize most people are full of shit and talk like they know everything

 

[cerberus16sk]

Two things...how old are you and have you had any blood work done? If you did, have you had baselines set for your tren/deca only cycle?

im 27. ive had blood tests done pre-cycle .. but what do you mean have my baselines set? do i know my natty test levels pre-cycle? my test was 632 and free test was 159.8 ..

 

[the_predator]

Great, you have your pretest, now get tested on your tren only cycle, and after your tren only cycle. After proper pct and a break between cycles do a test only cycle and do the same thing. See what the results are between the two and see how you feel. I can see that I can talk to you until I'm blue in the face or my fingers break from all the typing. Either way, you have your stance and I have mine and neither one of us is going to budge. So, what ever you decide to do I wish you the best of luck.

 

[kevhan21]

dbol

 

[cerberus16sk]

Just qurious(dont really know how that words spelled....), what do you mean your body works differntly after GH?

I didn't realize it till I had a few blood tests and a lot of readng, it made me prediabetic. I was using GHRP-6 .. and also taking things like arginine/ornithine, etc. to maximize GH release, and I would gorge myself. I gained 20lbs in 2 weeks. the gh raises blood glucose and the liver can only make so much IGF to counteract the GH. it made me weaker, and I had serious health problems because of high blood sugar and insulin resistance.

 

[cerberus16sk]

also thanks predator for caring enough to give your opinion. I was kind of rude. I was feeling defensive at the time and I have matured a lot since then.

 

[theCaptn']

also thanks predator for caring enough to give your opinion. I was kind of rude. I was feeling defensive at the time and I have matured a lot since then.

Welcome back bro. How did the cycle go? It's like 2 years ago LOL!