Need advice on perscribed TRT meds.

[independent]

just do 50mg on mon and 50mg on thurs..its a very small dose..your test levels look fine either way 5 days or 7..only diff is your e2 is lower on the 7day protocol... but instead of chasing and worring about the numbers.. how are you feeling? you could even do 40mg and 40mg... some ppl think they need alot to feel well again

This is very true.

 

[flagsup]

Just plead with him first that you feel great now and would like to keep it the way it is. How many days are you testing after your injection? Hcg will definetly give your levels a boost, at least a couple hundred points.

I tried pleading with him, he will not budge at all. I tested 5 days after third shot of injecting every 5 days, 7 days after third injection when pinning every 7 days..Anything above 100mg every 7 days is gonna be on me from here on out...

 

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just do 50mg on mon and 50mg on thurs..its a very small dose..your test levels look fine either way 5 days or 7..only diff is your e2 is lower on the 7day protocol... but instead of chasing and worring about the numbers.. how are you feeling? you could even do 40mg and 40mg... some ppl think they need alot to feel well again

good point. On 100mg every 7 it is easier to control my estrogen which makes me feel better. The only thing is I get draggin about day 6 and 7..Every 5 days, my e2 is harder to keep in range so I get draggin because of that. I was leaning toward 50 and 50 like you and big moe said but was also looking at putting some hcg in the mix and arimadex...If hcg will raise a couple hundred points and overall well being, that might be the trick to finish this and get dialed in and stay within what my endo will give..

 

[sneedham]

good point. On 100mg every 7 it is easier to control my estrogen which makes me feel better. The only thing is I get draggin about day 6 and 7..Every 5 days, my e2 is harder to keep in range so I get draggin because of that. I was leaning toward 50 and 50 like you and big moe said but was also looking at putting some hcg in the mix and arimadex...If hcg will raise a couple hundred points and overall well being, that might be the trick to finish this and get dialed in and stay within what my endo will give..

I think you are on the right track with adding a little HCG..For me I feel the HCG the day after inject and it stays with me a couple of days, you will still have to dial in your E2, HCG will raise your E2 levels slightly...Just IMO....

 

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I think you are on the right track with adding a little HCG..For me I feel the HCG the day after inject and it stays with me a couple of days, you will still have to dial in your E2, HCG will raise your E2 levels slightly...Just IMO....

Just got my arimedex today , dosing at .25 mon and thurs now. Figured that should do me with e2 around 35, until I can throw in some hcg. When you started taking HCG, did you notice a difference in your libido? So, I am getting that a low dose of test, hcg, arimedex might just be the way to go and stay within my endo script...There is a lab not far from me that I can get female hormone panel done since doc won't test anymore for e2.

 

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I think you are on the right track with adding a little HCG..For me I feel the HCG the day after inject and it stays with me a couple of days, you will still have to dial in your E2, HCG will raise your E2 levels slightly...Just IMO....

when you first start taking arimidex, how should it be dosed to get in your system and for how long until you just stay on the twice a week schedule.

 

[sneedham]

Just got my arimedex today , dosing at .25 mon and thurs now. Figured that should do me with e2 around 35, until I can throw in some hcg. When you started taking HCG, did you notice a difference in your libido? So, I am getting that a low dose of test, hcg, arimedex might just be the way to go and stay within my endo script...There is a lab not far from me that I can get female hormone panel done since doc won't test anymore for e2.

I noticed that my boys dropped and the volume of ejaculate was a little more....And .25 Adex sould be about right for you even after you start the HCG...Remember the HCG wll probably raise your test levels 100-200 points....

 

[sneedham]

when you first start taking arimidex, how should it be dosed to get in your system and for how long until you just stay on the twice a week schedule.

It will come in pill form, usually 1 mg. Cut it in half with a pill cutter you can get one at walgreens, CVS...etc.. As far as how long to stay on, if you are on TRT you would just stay on it, but double check your levels maybe every three months when you feel you are comfortable....Just my 2 cents...

 

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It will come in pill form, usually 1 mg. Cut it in half with a pill cutter you can get one at walgreens, CVS...etc.. As far as how long to stay on, if you are on TRT you would just stay on it, but double check your levels maybe every three months when you feel you are comfortable....Just my 2 cents...

Got my adex in and also found a pill cutter...Yeah, once I feel I got things close to level I found a private lab nearby to run bloods...Doc wrote me a script for a 10cc vial of watson cypionate, sweet...This will last me for awhile..Thanks for all the advice....

 

[ohiostate2827]

Got my adex in and also found a pill cutter...Yeah, once I feel I got things close to level I found a private lab nearby to run bloods...Doc wrote me a script for a 10cc vial of watson cypionate, sweet...This will last me for awhile..Thanks for all the advice....

adex will make some ppl very tired.. and when i first started adex i took 1mg on monday and .25mg on thursday. and stayed at .25mg on monday and thursday..dosed in the morn on mon and in the later afteroon on thurs...

 

[Healthy1]

It will come in pill form, usually 1 mg. Cut it in half with a pill cutter you can get one at walgreens, CVS...etc.. As far as how long to stay on, if you are on TRT you would just stay on it, but double check your levels maybe every three months when you feel you are comfortable....Just my 2 cents...

I'm confused now. Stay on what as long as on TRT? Stay on hcg or stay on arimidex? I am on Testim gel daily 50mg in 5g tube applied topically. My T level has gone from 200 to 600 in six months.

 

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I'm confused now. Stay on what as long as on TRT? Stay on hcg or stay on arimidex? I am on Testim gel daily 50mg in 5g tube applied topically. My T level has gone from 200 to 600 in six months.

I was referring to adex..I am on trt for life...

 

[Healthy1]

I was referring to adex..I am on trt for life...

Ok, thanks. I'm thinking I will be a lifer too because my T level drops pretty fast if I go off of it. I am strongly considering the implants though because I hate putting this gel on every day, have to wait for it to dry but shirts always stick to it anyway. Think I will try the Adex at .25 on M and Th myself and see how I feel.

 

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Ok, thanks. I'm thinking I will be a lifer too because my T level drops pretty fast if I go off of it. I am strongly considering the implants though because I hate putting this gel on every day, have to wait for it to dry but shirts always stick to it anyway. Think I will try the Adex at .25 on M and Th myself and see how I feel.

I hated axiron, was a pain to try to keep away from my wife and cost me more also to get my test to a mere 367..I am going to start tuesday and friday shots at 50mg each test cyp. I have been taking .25 adex eod but it really doesn't seem to be working all that hot..when I bumped my dose up to 100mg every 5 days, got some gyno from that and not sure what to do about that. I figured the adex would bring it down but it isn't as easy as I thought it would..any advice out there from the been there done that???

 

[Healthy1]

I think nolva works better for gyno.

 

[1693]

I hated axiron, was a pain to try to keep away from my wife and cost me more also to get my test to a mere 367..I am going to start tuesday and friday shots at 50mg each test cyp. I have been taking .25 adex eod but it really doesn't seem to be working all that hot..when I bumped my dose up to 100mg every 5 days, got some gyno from that and not sure what to do about that. I figured the adex would bring it down but it isn't as easy as I thought it would..any advice out there from the been there done that???

Is your adex legit? Seems like if it was it would be working better for you unless it's not getting into your system. There are places that offer liquid AIs. Maybe try some of the other ones...aromasin, letro....

 

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Is your adex legit? Seems like if it was it would be working better for you unless it's not getting into your system. There are places that offer liquid AIs. Maybe try some of the other ones...aromasin, letro....

I got my adex from safemeds, should be good. Currently I am taking .25 every day, 2 days after I pin .50 for a couple days, keeps me feeling good, and 40 mg nolva because I developed some gyno when I bumped my test up..just seems like I am doing way too much adex but even though I haven't been tested, my e2 is not crashed..it actually seems to stays on the higher range...Been checking into some of the liquids to see if it works any better. I did formastanzol and and an otc pct product and it shot my e2 to 4..

 

[ohiostate2827]

i would get rid of the Nolva.. too much stress on the liver..unless you have yeast over growth in ur gut or your liver isnt working well to rid the body of estrogen.. then you shouldnt need anything more then adex twice per week to keep things in order

 

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i would get rid of the Nolva.. too much stress on the liver..unless you have yeast over growth in ur gut or your liver isnt working well to rid the body of estrogen.. then you shouldnt need anything more then adex twice per week to keep things in order

I am looking into liquidex, have you heard anything on that? Thought it might work better for me..

 

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I am looking into liquidex, have you heard anything on that? Thought it might work better for me..

I just has my labs done with Private Labs friday aug 2nd, this was 2 months after endo put me back on 100mg every 7 days but I have been pinning 50 mg every 3.5 days, and taking .25 adex everyday..The test was done on the afternoon after I pinned that day...I need some advice where these labs are, there are some low spots and still looking at ways to up my levels some...

Test Name Result Flag Reference Range Lab
CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 5.8 4.0-10.5 x10E3/uL SE
RBC 5.21 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL SE
Hemoglobin 15.6 12.6-17.7 g/dL SE
Hematocrit 46.5 37.5-51.0 % SE
MCV 89 79-97 fL SE
MCH 29.9 26.6-33.0 pg SE
MCHC 33.5 31.5-35.7 g/dL SE
RDW 13.3 12.3-15.4 % SE
Platelets 205 140-415 x10E3/uL SE
Neutrophils 57 40-74 % SE
Lymphs 34 14-46 % SE
Monocytes 6 4-13 % SE
Eos 2 0-7 % SE
Basos 1 0-3 % SE
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.3 1.8-7.8 x10E3/uL SE
Lymphs (Absolute) 2.0 0.7-4.5 x10E3/uL SE
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.4 0.1-1.0 x10E3/uL SE
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL SE
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL SE
Immature Granulocytes 0 0-2 % SE
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL SE
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 78 65-99 mg/dL SE
BUN 22 6-24 mg/dL SE
Creatinine, Serum 1.21 0.76-1.27 mg/dL SE
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 72 >59 mL/min/1.73 SE
eGFR If Africn Am 83 >59 mL/min/1.73 SE
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 18 9-20 SE
Sodium, Serum 141 134-144 mmol/L SE
Potassium, Serum 3.7 3.5-5.2 mmol/L SE
Chloride, Serum 106 97-108 mmol/L SE
Carbon Dioxide, Total 22 19-28 mmol/L SE
Calcium, Serum 8.4 LOW 8.7-10.2 mg/dL SE
Protein, Total, Serum 6.2 6.0-8.5 g/dL SE
Albumin, Serum 4.1 3.5-5.5 g/dL SE
Globulin, Total 2.1 1.5-4.5 g/dL SE
A/G Ratio 2.0 1.1-2.5 SE
Bilirubin, Total 0.4 0.0-1.2 mg/dL SE
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 65 44-102 IU/L SE
AST (SGOT) 27 0-40 IU/L SE
ALT (SGPT) 18 0-44 IU/L SE
Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum 595 348-1197 ng/dL SE
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH <0.2 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL SE
FSH, Serum
FSH 0.3 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL SE
Estradiol
Estradiol 14.1 7.6-42.6 pg/mL SE
Roche ECLIA

 

[Presser]

I just has my labs done with Private Labs friday aug 2nd, this was 2 months after endo put me back on 100mg every 7 days but I have been pinning 50 mg every 3.5 days, and taking .25 adex everyday..The test was done on the afternoon after I pinned that day...I need some advice where these labs are, there are some low spots and still looking at ways to up my levels some...

Test Name Result Flag Reference Range Lab
CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 5.8 4.0-10.5 x10E3/uL SE
RBC 5.21 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL SE
Hemoglobin 15.6 12.6-17.7 g/dL SE
Hematocrit 46.5 37.5-51.0 % SE
MCV 89 79-97 fL SE
MCH 29.9 26.6-33.0 pg SE
MCHC 33.5 31.5-35.7 g/dL SE
RDW 13.3 12.3-15.4 % SE
Platelets 205 140-415 x10E3/uL SE
Neutrophils 57 40-74 % SE
Lymphs 34 14-46 % SE
Monocytes 6 4-13 % SE
Eos 2 0-7 % SE
Basos 1 0-3 % SE
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.3 1.8-7.8 x10E3/uL SE
Lymphs (Absolute) 2.0 0.7-4.5 x10E3/uL SE
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.4 0.1-1.0 x10E3/uL SE
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL SE
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL SE
Immature Granulocytes 0 0-2 % SE
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL SE
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 78 65-99 mg/dL SE
BUN 22 6-24 mg/dL SE
Creatinine, Serum 1.21 0.76-1.27 mg/dL SE
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 72 >59 mL/min/1.73 SE
eGFR If Africn Am 83 >59 mL/min/1.73 SE
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 18 9-20 SE
Sodium, Serum 141 134-144 mmol/L SE
Potassium, Serum 3.7 3.5-5.2 mmol/L SE
Chloride, Serum 106 97-108 mmol/L SE
Carbon Dioxide, Total 22 19-28 mmol/L SE
Calcium, Serum 8.4 LOW 8.7-10.2 mg/dL SE
Protein, Total, Serum 6.2 6.0-8.5 g/dL SE
Albumin, Serum 4.1 3.5-5.5 g/dL SE
Globulin, Total 2.1 1.5-4.5 g/dL SE
A/G Ratio 2.0 1.1-2.5 SE
Bilirubin, Total 0.4 0.0-1.2 mg/dL SE
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 65 44-102 IU/L SE
AST (SGOT) 27 0-40 IU/L SE
ALT (SGPT) 18 0-44 IU/L SE
Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum 595 348-1197 ng/dL SE
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH <0.2 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL SE
FSH, Serum
FSH 0.3 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL SE
Estradiol
Estradiol 14.1 7.6-42.6 pg/mL SE
Roche ECLIA

Doubt an endo will prescribe more T than that looking at your labs. You could always find a low cost TRT clinic, they will get you to the top of the range, at least mine does & I feel great now.

 

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Doubt an endo will prescribe more T than that looking at your labs. You could always find a low cost TRT clinic, they will get you to the top of the range, at least mine does & I feel great now.

Na, my endo is tapped out on what he will do..I get my adex from an online store because he is very unaware of all that and won't even test e2 anymore..Most days I feel good, nothing really above the charts to talk about but not draggin on most days either..My libido is also here and there also...Now that I am on a good level, thinkin bout adding in HCG and seeing if that will up my mood and level a bit...Seems like I am taking too much adex but it just doesn't seem to work all that hot for me if I dose smaller...

 

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Na, my endo is tapped out on what he will do..I get my adex from an online store because he is very unaware of all that and won't even test e2 anymore..Most days I feel good, nothing really above the charts to talk about but not draggin on most days either..My libido is also here and there also...Now that I am on a good level, thinkin bout adding in HCG and seeing if that will up my mood and level a bit...Seems like I am taking too much adex but it just doesn't seem to work all that hot for me if I dose smaller...

I have read some on low dosing clomid to help raise levels some, any input on this????

 

[independent]

Clomid is nasty. Just bump your test dose up a little. Dose your adex eod.

 

[flagsup]

Clomid is nasty. Just bump your test dose up a little. Dose your adex eod.

I was trying to not have to go off grid to get my test, if I bump my test up I will have to do that....Sounds good on adex, do you use pills or liquid? Was kinda tossed on some reviews on clomid so wasn't sure. It sure does make a big difference pinning every 3.5 days then 7 days though...Now that I have things on a level, just want to bump things up some...

 

[independent]

I was trying to not have to go off grid to get my test, if I bump my test up I will have to do that....Sounds good on adex, do you use pills or liquid? Was kinda tossed on some reviews on clomid so wasn't sure. It sure does make a big difference pinning every 3.5 days then 7 days though...Now that I have things on a level, just want to bump things up some...

I was using pills, script.

 

[sneedham]

I was using pills, script.

Bigmoe knows his stuff...Like he said try and up the T you are still on the low end and add the adex like bigmoe suggested and start using HCG that will also bring your test levels up a little.....250 iu twice a week on the hcg... You should start out by doing HCG 250iu 5-6 days in a row to kick start....BTW I have been in your exact spot and that is what I did and it worked...

 

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Bigmoe knows his stuff...Like he said try and up the T you are still on the low end and add the adex like bigmoe suggested and start using HCG that will also bring your test levels up a little.....250 iu twice a week on the hcg... You should start out by doing HCG 250iu 5-6 days in a row to kick start....BTW I have been in your exact spot and that is what I did and it worked...

well I can't up my test without ordering some from a sponsor here, my script will run out too soon. Not sure if i want to chance that just yet..I have been following your post sneedham and your talk with Big Moe, adding HCG might just give me that boost in my test and overall good feeling. I can't have kids so not concerned in that area but it will help raise my test and feeling good, then great..BTW, how are you feeling these days since you started your HCG? Is it normal to have such low LH and FSH while on trt?

 

[MuscleGauge1]

I think you should consider a second opinion. From what it looks like this doctor really isn't doing the best for you at all. I think you should consider talking to someone else about your options. Estrogen levels are really different with everyone.

 

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I think you should consider a second opinion. From what it looks like this doctor really isn't doing the best for you at all. I think you should consider talking to someone else about your options. Estrogen levels are really different with everyone.

He told me if I wanted to bump it up more than I needed to find another doctor..So, are endo's or urologists better for TRT?