Mike Arnold
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That's what I heard. A previous client of mine was planning to go over there for 3 months after his contest, but never made it. Personally, I would love to visit Thailand (and Aus to, for that matter)
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Safest Type of Insulin?
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That's what I heard. A previous client of mine was planning to go over there for 3 months after his contest, but never made it. Personally, I would love to visit Thailand (and Aus to, for that matter)
AUS is like a mans Disneyland. I watched a girl poor a bottle of coke in her pussy and a bottle of water. Dance around on stage and then squirt the coke and water back into separate glasses and there was no coke in the water... Then i was the poor lucky bastered that got to hold a balloon in his mouth and had the girl shoot darts out of her pussy to pop the balloon. I thought my life would be over.
^^^ wtf??? Where did you see that happen? Bondi Beach? Australia Zoo?
s2h
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You guys are so goddam lucky in the US
We know...you could move here...I have a extra room...and it already has the slow drip bag set up...
s2h
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Can you get me a gps coordinate on that place??..
s2h
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Fly to bankok, book a 1hour bus. It's set up for BB tranny lovers, you'll have a ball
Kool....can I bring Leroy?...he is my fav tranny inflatable...
PitbullRescue
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There is no safe insulin imo. If i were to choose it would be the fastest acting one with the shortest half life.
cerberus16sk
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my diabetic friend and many others say the longer acting is safer.. they say the peaks come on slower and you can save yourself more easily then say doing fast acting intramuscularly.. you could go hypo much faster -- i have a quick question: according to my reading everyone is saying how dangerous insulin is.. but im sitting here with a can of kern's fruit nectar which contains 50g of carbs. so if i did a 5iu shot of insulin r.. i could ensure my survival by drinking 1 can of this stuff every hour? that seems really simple and easy.. yes i know its best with the right kind of branched chain cyclic dextrin, and eaas/bcaas, leucine, hydrolyzed protein etc. but from a pure survival standpoint.. do i have nothing to worry about as long as i have 1 can of soda once an hour? so if there was an emergency and i felt hypo, as long as i have a 6 pack of coke i should be safe? of course i am going to go all out with the carbs and protein but i want to know the bare minimal for survival, to calm my nerves and so i dont go overboard. also glucose tabs are only like 5g of carbs.. how many of these would i need to eat? are they only good because they absorb quickly?
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cerberus16sk
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question for mike arnold taken out of PM so others can read it: thank you - if you wouldnt mind please let me know what you think. im going to start basic and then i will add in your prefered carbs and hydrolized proteins, creatine and glutamine on another cycle. my first run i just want to work my way up and get the feel of things.. - so i will take my BG to get baseline levels before i start. then have a shake 10 grams maltodextrin/iu and some protein preinjection. post injection sip on another indentical shake intraworkout.. after this shake is where im kind of lost.. do i just have a post workout meal or will i need another shake ready asap? this stuff is going to be active in my body for 8 hours so thats a lot time to be worrying about going hypo. i'd rather have it all planned ahead of time so i know exactly when its safe to relax. post workout i have a meal with 10g carbs per iu minimum?.. so if i did 2iu the first day that would be nothing right? like a gatorade? will i need to continue taking in this amount of carbs on the hour for the whole 8 hours or do i taper off after a certain point? everyone is saying im going to go overboard and "get fat" but i want to have my bases covered.. sorry to bother you but i am having to start over because i have novalin r. it lasts a long time apparently and i dont want to have to use these glucose tabs and candy i want to do it right
Mike Arnold
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Just have a whole food meal after those 2 shakes. Malto tends to make people fat, so you would be better off having a whole food meal by that point.
2 IU is nothing, especially when using Novolin N. It is pointless. I would consider 8-10 IU the minimum starting point for Novolin N.
cerberus16sk
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i'm using R, not N.. thanks for the advice. i think ive done all the reading there is to be done im going to devise my plan now. i wont be able to start till next week because i have to buy a glucose meter. total duration of R says 8-12 hours on the documentation but im hoping its less.. as far as bare minimals for survival is 10g carbs per iu every 1 hour really enough? if i did 5 ius that would literally just be a can of soda.. if that is true then insulin really isnt as dangerous as people say
Good luck! Don't kill yourself!
the slow is WAY more dangerous i was just talking to a friend of mine this weekend about revamping my protocol to minimize my carb intake. There was a guy recently around where I am from that was running humalin r and went hypo during a nap and started to seize so much for hours and ended up losing his legs from this shit. I wont fuck with the slow slin period I felt like I had it completely under control but it sucks when its 10 at night and your watching TV and out of no where start getting clammy and get the feeling like fuck i need to eat right now. Then you dont want to eat crap because the point of bodybuilding is to look good and stick to your macro's. So I am having to prep a good shack with oats and honey while im dealing with this shit.
Most guys i know that just slam a soda, shitty carbs, candy ect just end up looking like a fat piece of shit. Slin will get you fat really fast if you do not eat clean on it. The point of slin is to allow it to force nutritiion to your body and replenish glycogen cells. THe last thing I want to do is make it pointless and flood my body with a fucking kerns sugar drink.
Mike Arnold
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It is nowhere freakin' close to 8-12 hours. it stays active for about 5 hours...and any insulin hanging around after that point will be minimal...certainly nothong to worry about.
No...you don't need 10 IU minimum for "survival". You could inject 10 IU of Novolin R, eat nothing and live...easily. Most BB'rs will require between 5-8 grams per IU, but that doesn't mean you must eat that amount of carbas to "survive". If you did inject slin and not eat, the bidy would use up the blood sugar that is already present and then turn to glucogeneis if necessary. Together, there is a considerable buffer between life and death. The body can handle a pretty decent dose of slin on its own under normal circumstances before death/coma occurs.
10 IU is the generally recommended number for beginners because it will ensure the person stays safe. Only once you gain experience should you start making adjustments. Besides, most people approach insulin use from the wrong perspective. They want to know what the minimum amount of carbs they need to consume is to ward off hypoglycemia, but this is not the proper way to look at things. Of course, you should always eat enough carbs to prevent hypoglycemia, but what about the number of carbs your body requires to fully restore glycogen stores...or the number of calories your body needs to maintain/add muscle tissue?
Let's say a 220 lb BB'r is taking 15 IU of slin around workouts. Most 220 lbs BB'r will need to consume about 500-600 grams if carbs per day to maximize growth & recovery when in a mass-building phase...with between 150-250 of them around workouts. With this is mind, why in the fuck would a BB'r be wanting to consume the minimum amount of carbs needed to prevent hypoglycemia at this time ? Should he not be focused on the IDEAL amount he needs to eat to make maximum gains?
The primary point of using insulin is to maximize nutrient delivery...and when used around workouts, this is even more critical. So, most BB'r are already eating (or should be) more than enough carbs to cover the slin dose they're using. It baffles me why anyone woul use insulin, while trying to consume the smallest amount of carbs possible. Is that not in complete conflict with muscle-bulding...and if someone is trying to lose fat, then why in the hell are they using insulin anyway?
So, when using insulin around workouts in order to build muscle, one should not be thinking about how many carbs he needs to cover his insulin...because if he is...he is almost certainly too small to be using insulin anyway...because even a 200 lb BB'r should easily be eating enough carbs to cover 15 IU of slin. I want to clarify that when I say "around workouts", I am referring to the time right before your workout begins until a couple hours afterward....about 3-4 hours.
I don't want anyone to take my post the wrong way...or have anyone think I am saying they should not worry about maintaining blood sugar when using insulin. That is not what I am saying, as some forms of insulin can drop blood sugar pretty quickly. My main point is that I see too many insulin users focusing on the minimum amount of carbs they need to consume when instead, they should be focusing on how many carbs they need to eat in order to maximize the muscle building process. A BB'r might need to change around the timing or source of his carbs so they are present in sufficient quanutites when the insulin is active, but any decent size BB'r should already be eating more than enough carbs to cover 15 IU of slin during that 3-4 hour window.
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OldSchoolLifter
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What is the point in continuing to help this guy, he clearly believes he knows all he needs. Yet asks for advice only to question the people with first hand experience.
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heckler7
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insulin plan that works best for you.
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| Rapid-acting | __ NovoLog | __ Insulin aspart | 15 minutes | 30 to 90 minutes | 3 to 5 hours |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| __ Apidra | __ Insulin glulisine | 15 minutes | 30 to 90 minutes | 3 to 5 hours | |
| __ Humalog | __ Insulin lispro | 15 minutes | 30 to 90 minutes | 3 to 5 hours | |
| Short-acting | __ Humulin R | __ Regular (R) | 30 to 60 minutes | 2 to 4 hours | 5 to 8 hours |
| __ Novolin R | |||||
| Intermediate-acting | __ Humulin N | __ NPH (N) | 1 to 3 hours | 8 hours | 12 to 16 hours |
| __ Novolin N | |||||
| Long-acting | __ Levemir | __ Insulin detemir | 1 hour | Peakless | 20 to 26 hours |
| __ Lantus | __ Insulin glargine | ||||
| Pre-mixed NPH (intermediate-acting) and regular (short-acting) | __ Humulin 70/30 __ Novolin 70/30 | __ 70% NPH and 30% regular | 30 to 60 minutes | Varies | 10 to 16 hours |
| __ Humulin 50/50 | __ 50% NPH and 50% regular | 30 to 60 minutes | Varies | 10 to 16 hours | |
| Pre-mixed insulin lispro protamine suspension (intermediate-acting) and insulin lispro (rapid-acting | __ Humalog Mix 75/25 | __ 75% insulin lispro protamine and 25% insulin lispro | 10 to 15 minutes | Varies | 10 to 16 hours |
| __ Humalog Mix 50/50 | __ 50% insulin lispro protamine and 50% insulin lispro | 10 to 15 minutes | Varies | 10 to 16 hours | |
| Pre-mixed insulin aspart protamine suspension (intermediate-acting) and insulin aspart (rapid-acting) | __ NovoLog Mix 70/30 | __ 70% insulin aspart protamine and 30% insulin aspart | 5 to 15 minutes | Varies | 10 to 16 hours |
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heckler7
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you have to keep in mind everyone is different. Humalog R starts working an hour after a short for me and at the top of the first hour it only drops my blood sugar level 10-15 mg/dl at 1 hour after a shot but my body doesn't produce insulin so you could easily double that or start working sooner
heckler7
Registered
I'm gonna say the faster acting is safer, some of those like novolin or lantus last 12 -24 hours you could feel ok, fall asleep and wake up in a coma because they are still working in your system hours later. Just sayn
Mike Arnold
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It is important to remember that although the chart above is technically accurate regarding the active lives of the various insulins, it does NOT accurately represent the amount of time a BB'r needs to concern himself with hypoglycemia. For example, the chart says that Humulin R/Nolvolin R stays active for up to 8 hours, but in reality, only very tiny amount of insulin will still be hanging around at 8 hours in...certainly nothing we need to worry about. The overhelmingly large majority of Hum/Nov R will be used up by 5 hours post-inject...with any further insulin still hanging around being inconsequential in terms of safety.
This is why, when learning how to use these drugs for BB'ing, we should speak with someone who has experience with these drugs for BB'ing, as everyone who has used those 2 insulins knows full well that there is virtually NO danger of blood sugar falling to danergous levels 8 hours after an inject. In addition, these insulins do not maintain even blood concentrations of the drug throughout their entire active life. For example, a long-acting insulin might claim an active life of 24 hours, yet the bulk of the insulin is released during the first 12 hours, after which point blood insulin levels gradually fall until there is basically nothing left the last several hours of its active life. So, while these charts can be useful, they are not necessarily a reliable guide when it comes to structuring a diet plan around an inject.
