Anabolic Threshold

[Little BamBam]

Anabolic Threshold! - YouTube

Seen this video last nigh i wanna hear some input from vets or anyone that would like to chime in on this really surprised me

 

[World-Pharma.org]

great thread!

 

[l69lou]

Very interesting ! I have heard of this in Bill LLewellyn's book Anabolics talking about orals that it was better to take them all at once to get that higher peak plasma concentration of the drug rather than space them out . Of course with injectables it would only work with longer acting esters right ? If you pinned your whole weekly dose of say test p on monday by late wed. you would have none in your system. I have done this in the past . Makes me think . However with some drugs like tren I like even blood levels to keep those dreaded sides at bay . Then again you could just use a bigger dose and have both higher peak and even blood level . lol

 

[Christsean]

I totally disagree with that guy. The goal of taking steroids is to maintain constant blood levels above your threshold. So if you aren't above your threshold, increase dosage.

If you take 100mg of an oak that has a halflife of 8 hours, you end up with 12.5mg after 24 hours. Whereas if you take that same 100mg divided doses you end up with 30mg after 24 hours plus blood levels above 50mg most of the day. After 8 hoursof taking the whole 100mg you are below 50mg and steadily declining.

Again the object is to maintain stay anabolic state. If you can't break the threshold, increase your overall dosage but spread it out.

 

[rutman]

I totally disagree with that guy. The goal of taking steroids is to maintain constant blood levels above your threshold. So if you aren't above your threshold, increase dosage.

If you take 100mg of an oak that has a halflife of 8 hours, you end up with 12.5mg after 24 hours. Whereas if you take that same 100mg divided doses you end up with 30mg after 24 hours plus blood levels above 50mg most of the day. After 8 hoursof taking the whole 100mg you are below 50mg and steadily declining.

Again the object is to maintain stay anabolic state. If you can't break the threshold, increase your overall dosage but spread it out.

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[jason_mazzy]

I feel their is some validity to the theory. What I don't agree with is this peaks and valleys. If you inject 250 mg Monday then 250 mg Thursday you never really have 500 mg in your blood stream. The shorter the ester the more true this is. With a long ester such as Test E: we are talking 12-14 day 1/2 life so you are talking a couple mg below 500 by Thursday/Friday. Now if you do the math on a long ester like Test E if you did 500 all on Monday by thurs/fri you would be pretty close to the same number you would have had when you split the dose originally. What does that mean? it means with the 250/250 split for 3 (or 4) days you trained with less test floating around in your system. So if we wanna hit that anabolic threshold what is the best approach? I would suggest a big hitting front load! If we hit 1gram the first day then hit 500 Thursday then the 250 mon/thurs from then on out with a 500 milligram bump every few weeks (this can be done on a spreadsheet or calculator to actually be accurate for exact time and dosage you wish to maintain) you can stay above the 500 mg range over the whole course of the cycle with minimal fluctuations (peaks and valleys). Best of both worlds. (PS I did not do the actual math work based on 1/2 life or spread sheet so the days/dosages are very hypothetical and were only being used to try and explain some logic. In the end what I am saying may not even make sense since I tend to state things in a way that "I know what I mean" and I am afraid it doesn't come across)

 

[Christsean]

Since we went here I have a question.... How many people plan their cycle based on the esters being used and the mg that they want to maintain in their system throughout the cycle? Simply, many people know how much tren is in their system throughout the day when they inject 400mg per week... Single dose..... Biweekly dose. This is so important when planning your cycle. You can short yourself or over do it if you don't plan based on esters, half life, mg, frequency. If you do it with your curvy cycle you may be surprised.

 

[swoleosis]

I wonder if this is directly correlated to front loading long acting esters. It's just getting you past that anabolic threshold nice and early, ya dig

 

[Christsean]

I wonder if this is directly correlated to front loading long acting esters. It's just getting you past that anabolic threshold nice and early, ya dig

I used to front load back in early 2000, but it could get tricky when everything kicked in. But regardless, I always say slow and stay wins the race. When I start now, I don't mind to wait for my long ester to kick in a few weeks later. Im already working out, I've established my goals and plan past the lag period of waiting for it to kick in fully. But once it does, I want it high and steady. Im fanatical about my orals, I always split then into surprised dosages. Sometimes var taken late keeps me up so I have to take my last dose earlier than I'd like.

 

[Little BamBam]

I totally disagree with that guy. The goal of taking steroids is to maintain constant blood levels above your threshold. So if you aren't above your threshold, increase dosage.

If you take 100mg of an oak that has a halflife of 8 hours, you end up with 12.5mg after 24 hours. Whereas if you take that same 100mg divided doses you end up with 30mg after 24 hours plus blood levels above 50mg most of the day. After 8 hoursof taking the whole 100mg you are below 50mg and steadily declining.

Again the object is to maintain stay anabolic state. If you can't break the threshold, increase your overall dosage but spread it out.

i think its only with long esters that it would work the best with

 

[Little BamBam]

I used to front load back in early 2000, but it could get tricky when everything kicked in. But regardless, I always say slow and stay wins the race. When I start now, I don't mind to wait for my long ester to kick in a few weeks later. Im already working out, I've established my goals and plan past the lag period of waiting for it to kick in fully. But once it does, I want it high and steady. Im fanatical about my orals, I always split then into surprised dosages. Sometimes var taken late keeps me up so I have to take my last dose earlier than I'd like.

it would be nice to atleast try it out to prove what he is saying ?

Since we went here I have a question.... How many people plan their cycle based on the esters being used and the mg that they want to maintain in their system throughout the cycle? Simply, many people know how much tren is in their system throughout the day when they inject 400mg per week... Single dose..... Biweekly dose. This is so important when planning your cycle. You can short yourself or over do it if you don't plan based on esters, half life, mg, frequency. If you do it with your curvy cycle you may be surprised.

true i understand where youre coming from.

I feel their is some validity to the theory. What I don't agree with is this peaks and valleys. If you inject 250 mg Monday then 250 mg Thursday you never really have 500 mg in your blood stream. The shorter the ester the more true this is. With a long ester such as Test E: we are talking 12-14 day 1/2 life so you are talking a couple mg below 500 by Thursday/Friday. Now if you do the math on a long ester like Test E if you did 500 all on Monday by thurs/fri you would be pretty close to the same number you would have had when you split the dose originally. What does that mean? it means with the 250/250 split for 3 (or 4) days you trained with less test floating around in your system. So if we wanna hit that anabolic threshold what is the best approach? I would suggest a big hitting front load! If we hit 1gram the first day then hit 500 Thursday then the 250 mon/thurs from then on out with a 500 milligram bump every few weeks (this can be done on a spreadsheet or calculator to actually be accurate for exact time and dosage you wish to maintain) you can stay above the 500 mg range over the whole course of the cycle with minimal fluctuations (peaks and valleys). Best of both worlds. (PS I did not do the actual math work based on 1/2 life or spread sheet so the days/dosages are very hypothetical and were only being used to try and explain some logic. In the end what I am saying may not even make sense since I tend to state things in a way that "I know what I mean" and I am afraid it doesn't come across)

This makes alot of sence the way you put it i usually like running long esters so this would work for me and i guess i split my dosages thinking i would have so much in my system but really it only goes half way so why not try once a week.

 

[jason_mazzy]

Bam: well if you do get your peak levels in first and get where you want to be then you can split shots and every 14 days (Test E) do a slight bump in dosage you will maintain a steady blood level and be above your threshold

 

[Little BamBam]

Anabolic Threshold 2! - YouTube

part to for you guys

 

[Christsean]

Ugh yeah! Anabolic steroids equal growth. More anabolic steroids equal more growth. I agree that there is more going on than just the AR receptors, that's why AAS cocktails work so well because each steroid contributed in a different way. If not the steroid with the greatest affinity to the AR receptor would win and you would only experience it's effects. The rest would contribute to toilet water.

 

[irish viking]

sure more juice more gains but the body is stubborn aswell as adaptive,so surely a saturation point is reached before extreme doses,aka 10000mg,that the body will not over sensitise but de-sensitise the receptors.

 

[Goodskie]

No bro science in this thread