Obamacare Website to be Shut Down for Repairs

[Little Wing]

no one wants to reply to this?

all great ideas.

 

[Swiper]

all great ideas.

thank you LW. you probably have the biggest balls here to admit that.

 

[Zaphod]

There may have been a hint of sarcasm there.

 

[Swiper]

There may have been a hint of sarcasm there.

i highly doubt that. There are people who think that govt should have total control over peoples lives as long as it's for the greater good of the country no matter how intrusive govt is.

 

[FUZO]

Please don't try to comprehend my posts. You're obviously struggling to string words together in a coherent fashion, and you should spend more time and attention on reading and writing. If you ever get the hang of it, then perhaps I'll try to assist you with some second grade reading comp exercises. You also can't seem to figure out how the message board quote system works. Let's add that to the list. Learn to read and write, comprehension skills, and then how to use a message board. We will get you operating at a 10 year old's level in no time.




Id rather not spell correctly then to be a dumb ass like yourself or even a liberal Liberalism is a mental disorder

 

[FUZO]

FUZO U FUC ING MORON...CAN YOU READ THAT DIP SHIT....SAY SOMETHING... I DARE U... idiot

"May the force be with you all"

Go fuck yourself and blow your mother hows that for saying something,we know who this idiot is thats for sure

 

[KelJu]

to understand your post, Is it that because in the past govt made people buy stuff IF they choose to do something, not simply for breathing air, it's ok because it was done in the past? Or are you just pointing out that govt made people by stuff in the past? Regardless it's still wrong IMO whether it was done in the past or not.

There is a little difference for breathing air and doing something like driving a car ect... We have the right to be left alone. I'll also point out that that is a state law not federal. not that it's a huge difference but at least if i don't like what a state is doing i can move.

I'm a simple man. i believe in personal and economic liberty. what ever is going to make us more free with less govt intervention the better. that is my belief system. It's not political, it's a philosophy.

I am totally on board with that. I am not disagreeing with your belief that the government should fuck off. But, they already got involved and made a fucking mess. Now the mess must be fixed. Legally, hospitals must treat a person even if they have no money or insurance. That is the issue right there. Most Americans have decided that it is morally correct to save a person's life even if it cost money that the person doesn't have. However, by doing so, the people who can pay have to pay more.
That is an infringement of "liberty" onto the people who are already paying their fair share. Liberty is almost a commodity or a finite resource. To give liberty to one person, you have to take it from another. This is because human beings rarely ever agree on any fucking thing. Liberty for all is a logical fallacy. Your idea of liberty doesn't exist.

Fags want liberty to marry. Christians want liberty to impose their idea of Gods will back onto the fags. In this situation, liberty can only be granted to one group. This is a very simplistic example, but you should be able to see how that applies to everything. You want the liberty to not buy insurance. Bowden wants the liberty to pay only for his healthcare, not his and the low income family?s healthcare down the street. Both of you cannot be granted liberty and freedom to do what you want. This has nothing to do with Obama forcing people to do shit. This is about remedying a situation that is fucked and growing more fucked at an exponential rate the longer we go on without making adjustments.

 

[Zaphod]

Please don't try to comprehend my posts. You're obviously struggling to string words together in a coherent fashion, and you should spend more time and attention on reading and writing. If you ever get the hang of it, then perhaps I'll try to assist you with some second grade reading comp exercises. You also can't seem to figure out how the message board quote system works. Let's add that to the list. Learn to read and write, comprehension skills, and then how to use a message board. We will get you operating at a 10 year old's level in no time.




Id rather not spell correctly then to be a dumb ass like yourself or even a liberal Liberalism is a mental disorder

It isn't just your kindergarten level of spelling, it's also your lack of coherency. A monkey pounding on a keyboard makes more sense than you do. My 8 year old son not only spells better, he writes better than you do.

 

[KelJu]

Please don't try to comprehend my posts. You're obviously struggling to string words together in a coherent fashion, and you should spend more time and attention on reading and writing. If you ever get the hang of it, then perhaps I'll try to assist you with some second grade reading comp exercises. You also can't seem to figure out how the message board quote system works. Let's add that to the list. Learn to read and write, comprehension skills, and then how to use a message board. We will get you operating at a 10 year old's level in no time.




Id rather not spell correctly then to be a dumb ass like yourself or even a liberal Liberalism is a mental disorder

And the unfortunate fact for you is that you can't spell, read, write, comprehend, figure out how to post correctly, and you are one of the dumbest mother fuckers to ever attempt to post on this site. There are peta fag, tofu eating, homo butt fucking dirty liberals out there that are 10 times more intelligent than you, and I fucking loath liberals. You basically have no redeeming quality and you are beneath the people you hate.

When I was in middle school, we taught the the class retarded person how to say "pussy", because we thought it was funny. We didn't know that he would then spend the next six years walking around yelling "pussy" at everyone. It sort of lost it's humor real quick. That is basically you. You are the site retard lurking around screaming "OBAMA" and "LIBERAL" raving mentally ill person. So my question, is who taught you those words, and did they know the damage the were inflicting when they taught the class retard how to say them?

 

[caedus]

Go fuck yourself and blow your mother hows that for saying something,we know who this idiot is thats for sure

Attention FUZO.. thank you for proving yourself ignorant: plz read


WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama said Tuesday that he is willing to negotiate with Republicans over health care or any other topic, but only after Congress passes a short-term government funding measure and increases the debt limit.

"What I've said is that I will talk about anything," he said, after declaring in his opening statement, "We can't make extortion routine as part of our democracy."

Obama said that the United States could not afford to deal with "manufactured crises" over funding the government and paying its existing obligations.

"Think about it this way: The American people do not get to demand a ransom for doing their jobs," he said. "You don't get a chance to call your bank and say I'm not going to pay my mortgage this month unless you throw in a new car and an Xbox."

Obama also pointed out that the shutdown had occurred as a result of Republicans' strong opposition to the health care law he passed. "The way we got to this point was one thing and one thing only: this Republican obsession with dismantling the Affordable Care Act," he said. "Most Americans -- Democrats and Republicans -- agree that health care should not have anything to do with keeping our government open or paying our bills on time."

He signaled openness to a short-term deal to end the shutdown, an idea floated by National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling on Monday. "It is the responsibility of Congress to decide how long and how often they want to vote on doing that, the important thing is that they not threaten default and that they not put our country on the brink of that,? Sperling said. "Longer is better for economic certainty and jobs, but it is ultimately up to them."

Obama also addressed the continued pain caused by sequestration, in response to a question from The Huffington Post's Sam Stein. "We?re willing to pass at least a short-term budget that opens up the government at current funding levels," he said. "It doesn?t even address the harm that?s been done because of sequestration."

But he said that even if sequestration cuts aren't reversed in the short-term, the government needs to be funded immediately. "What about all those thousands who?ve been hurt by sequester? The Democrats aren?t making that demand right now," he said. "We understand there?s going to have to be some give and take. What we are saying is, don?t hurt more people while we?re trying to resolve these differences. Let?s just at least make sure that we keep the lights on while we?re having these conversations."

Obama's comments came after he spoke with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) by phone earlier on Tuesday. Obama repeated his position that he wanted the House to pass a clean continuing resolution to fund the government and a debt limit hike before negotiating over the deficit. Boehner's reaction was not described in the call readouts from both offices, and a request for comment to the speaker's office was not returned.

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"May the force be with you all"

 

[caedus]

It isn't just your kindergarten level of spelling, it's also your lack of coherency. A monkey pounding on a keyboard makes more sense than you do. My 8 year old son not only spells better, he writes better than you do.

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama said Tuesday that he is willing to negotiate with Republicans over health care or any other topic, but only after Congress passes a short-term government funding measure and increases the debt limit.

"What I've said is that I will talk about anything," he said, after declaring in his opening statement, "We can't make extortion routine as part of our democracy."

Obama said that the United States could not afford to deal with "manufactured crises" over funding the government and paying its existing obligations.

"Think about it this way: The American people do not get to demand a ransom for doing their jobs," he said. "You don't get a chance to call your bank and say I'm not going to pay my mortgage this month unless you throw in a new car and an Xbox."

Obama also pointed out that the shutdown had occurred as a result of Republicans' strong opposition to the health care law he passed. "The way we got to this point was one thing and one thing only: this Republican obsession with dismantling the Affordable Care Act," he said. "Most Americans -- Democrats and Republicans -- agree that health care should not have anything to do with keeping our government open or paying our bills on time."

He signaled openness to a short-term deal to end the shutdown, an idea floated by National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling on Monday. "It is the responsibility of Congress to decide how long and how often they want to vote on doing that, the important thing is that they not threaten default and that they not put our country on the brink of that,? Sperling said. "Longer is better for economic certainty and jobs, but it is ultimately up to them."

Obama also addressed the continued pain caused by sequestration, in response to a question from The Huffington Post's Sam Stein. "We?re willing to pass at least a short-term budget that opens up the government at current funding levels," he said. "It doesn?t even address the harm that?s been done because of sequestration."

But he said that even if sequestration cuts aren't reversed in the short-term, the government needs to be funded immediately. "What about all those thousands who?ve been hurt by sequester? The Democrats aren?t making that demand right now," he said. "We understand there?s going to have to be some give and take. What we are saying is, don?t hurt more people while we?re trying to resolve these differences. Let?s just at least make sure that we keep the lights on while we?re having these conversations."

Obama's comments came after he spoke with House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) by phone earlier on Tuesday. Obama repeated his position that he wanted the House to pass a clean continuing resolution to fund the government and a debt limit hike before negotiating over the deficit. Boehner's reaction was not described in the call readouts from both offices, and a request for comment to the speaker's office was not returned.

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"May the force be with you all"

 

[Little Wing]

i highly doubt that. There are people who think that govt should have total control over peoples lives as long as it's for the greater good of the country no matter how intrusive govt is.

i don't support the ideas but really, don't you think it'd be hilarious to see someone slap the feed bag out of the American fat asses hands? the obesity epidemic is hurting more than just the people stuffing their faces it's a tax burden. so they have the right to eat and gobble up tax dollars and make so much traffic in the hospitals people with non self indulgent issues need to compete for a doctors limited time. when people are a danger to themselves what determines when an authority steps in? whats the diff between jumping off a bridge and eating yourself diabetic or into heart failure?

 

[Swiper]

i don't support the ideas but really, don't you think it'd be hilarious to see someone slap the feed bag out of the American fat asses hands? the obesity epidemic is hurting more than just the people stuffing their faces it's a tax burden. so they have the right to eat and gobble up tax dollars and make so much traffic in the hospitals people with non self indulgent issues need to compete for a doctors limited time. when people are a danger to themselves what determines when an authority steps in? whats the diff between jumping off a bridge and eating yourself diabetic or into heart failure?

now your taking back your comment? I've lost all respect for you.

 

[HFO3]

ACA will fail, then we will see the real plan, single payer system to the rescue. Fuckers.

 

[Zaphod]

now your taking back your comment? I've lost all respect for you.

Now don't you feel like a bit of a tea leaf?

 

[Swiper]

Now don't you feel like a bit of a tea leaf?

no, I think LW is a liar and embarrassed that she admitted that.

 

[Zaphod]

They must not have sarcasm on your planet.

 

[jay_steel]

It's been like that for some time. 48 states require auto insurance. Now there's an issue with being required to purchase insurance?

there is a difference though because you are utilizing gov't funded and state funded road systems. Why should i be forced to have medical insurance if i am willing to pay out of pocket. My dad is one of those who hasnt had an issue his entire life except for his diabetes that hes born with, but never had problems. Buys his own drugs from wall mart pays if he needs to see a dr at a walk in clinic and gets back to work. It is his choice period. If something happens to him its not your responsibility to help him its his own period. As in a car if he wrecks into you with out insurance then that does affect you personally. However, your quality of life does not change.

People say this will reduce issues with homeless going to the er and ect, but its not going to do anything. All it does is put the gov't in more control of us simple as that. Its not a republican thing why I am against it. It is the fact that the gov't should not be this deep in our personal lives. If your bitching about being poor and having shitty insurance then apply for grants and aid and get your ass back to college. Oo you dont have time you have kids and work full time. Those are excuses and problems you made for your self. Not my issues as a responsible adult. Sac up and work around your excuses and find a resolution that is not sucking on the gov'ts tit.

 

[jay_steel]

yes. so the rest of us don't have to pay your non insurance having bills when you get sick. do you drive without car insurance? it's to protect the rest of us from the other guys stupidity as much as anything else.

your going to be paying for them any ways.. it is not like the practice is going to be cheaper. Where do you think the money is going to come from that pays for the insurance? Our pockets.... It makes zero difference in the long run for the middle class. We will be taxed to pay for the insurance just as we got stuck paying for non insured bills.

 

[jay_steel]

She is 100% correct. There are three ways to handle the issue:

1: The way we do it now which is treat everyone regardless of whether you have any means to pay for the care you will receive when you need it most. If you can't pay, then everyone who does pay has to pay more to make up for you not paying your part.

2: Make everyone pay insurance so that everyone is paying their fair share.

3: Don't force anyone to get insurance, but deny health services to anyone who doesn't pay in. That means 911 will not even send an ambulance to you without first verifying your insurance and/or that you have X amount of dollars in the bank that will cover your expected bills.


Solution 3 would most embody freedom and liberty. You would have the freedom to save money by not having insurance. You could set money aside in an account that is for emergencies. If you never need health care, then you can use the money as collateral, or even borrow against it. You could even just say fuck it and not set anything aside, but you will die if you became fatally ill or are involved in an accident. You would have the freedom to die on the side of the road like an animal.

Those are the only options. Personally, I would go with option 3 just because I give zero fucks about dying. Most people are clingy to the idea of being alive and would never go with option 3. Option 1 is the fucking worst. It allows pieces of shit to abuse a system that is paid for by other people.

but ambulance and emergency is different then going to the dr with no insurance and being scene. I would be happy to have a gov't insurance policy for children or say 26 and below demographic but after that if your not in the business world fuck that. We need to give people consequences for their actions. People rely on the gov't to much so why better them selves?

 

[jay_steel]

i say tax the fat people and give money to the big and swole.

 

[jay_steel]

Also lets have Obamacare=lets print more money= devaluing what we all ready have.

.. Ron Paul FTW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIJwrbFtpLE

 

[Little Wing]

now your taking back your comment? I've lost all respect for you.

good ideas but my son eats fattening foods and is skinny as a rake. some people are responsible with indulgences so the law wouldn't just deprive the obese.

 

[jay_steel]

good ideas but my son eats fattening foods and is skinny as a rake. some people are responsible with indulgences so the law wouldn't just deprive the obese.

yes but there are TONS of scientific research that supports prolonged fast food and unhealthy foods can result to heart risk and diabetes. My supervisor in the Navy is in great shape and diagnosed with diabetes due to a bad diet at the age of 29. So prolonged we are at risk of having to pay for your son in the future.

I say if they do this mandatory health screening and based off of BMI, health, smoker, drinker and ect. and raise insurance rates based off of that. Force them to front the bill not the people who choice to live healthy and not see a dr. There is no reason why I should be forced to have medical insurance.

Also can any of you actually say you trust the gov't with this?

All this does is put the gov't in more power piece by piece in our lives... WHo knows lets say Obama care is the BEST thing EVER.. What happens when another president comes to office with not so good intentions with the added power from the bill. We are giving our rights away like a prostitute on the street.

 

[Little Wing]

i think if you're obese,a smoker, or otherwise ruining your health and setting yourself up for illness via bad habits you should pay more for health care. if you're in great health you should pay less. you just cannot ban all high fat food... olive oil is high fat, coconut oil, avocado etc, healthy nuts... all eaten by perfectly healthy non obese people as are candy, ice cream etc. just make being a lard ass hurt the pocketbook when it's time to pay healthcare costs.

 

[jay_steel]

i think if you're obese,a smoker, or otherwise ruining your health and setting yourself up for illness via bad habits you should pay more for health care. if you're in great health you should pay less. you just cannot ban all high fat food... olive oil is high fat, coconut oil, avocado etc, healthy nuts... all eaten by perfectly healthy non obese people as are candy, ice cream etc. just make being a lard ass hurt the pocketbook when it's time to pay healthcare costs.

i think about 99% of people knew my point

 

[Little Wing]

yes but there are TONS of scientific research that supports prolonged fast food and unhealthy foods can result to heart risk and diabetes. My supervisor in the Navy is in great shape and diagnosed with diabetes due to a bad diet at the age of 29. So prolonged we are at risk of having to pay for your son in the future.

I say if they do this mandatory health screening and based off of BMI, health, smoker, drinker and ect. and raise insurance rates based off of that. Force them to front the bill not the people who choice to live healthy and not see a dr. There is no reason why I should be forced to have medical insurance.

Also can any of you actually say you trust the gov't with this?

All this does is put the gov't in more power piece by piece in our lives... WHo knows lets say Obama care is the BEST thing EVER.. What happens when another president comes to office with not so good intentions with the added power from the bill. We are giving our rights away like a prostitute on the street.

cancer does not discriminate or care who exercises and eats right. everyone needs insurance. we were almost killed by a fucking retarded driver today... no one is immune to catastrophe.

i've been doing daycare since before my kids were born and my daughter is 22. i have known many children who depended on government healthcare from infancy to adulthood. i also worked in in home care facilities and saw seniors well cared for on their ss, medicare benefits. the abuses i saw were when privately owned facilities deprived people of care, hospitalization, so they could charge rent up until the person died. and my bf lives in Canada so yes, i think the govt can handle this.

 

[jay_steel]

i think if you're obese,a smoker, or otherwise ruining your health and setting yourself up for illness via bad habits you should pay more for health care. if you're in great health you should pay less. you just cannot ban all high fat food... olive oil is high fat, coconut oil, avocado etc, healthy nuts... all eaten by perfectly healthy non obese people as are candy, ice cream etc. just make being a lard ass hurt the pocketbook when it's time to pay healthcare costs.

but we live in a world were we must care for people, make decisions for them, help them. So why not ban all unhealthy foods and prevent them from every getting that way. Allowing people to get fat and unhealthy is not nice we have to hold their hands and help them. Its not their fault they are unhealthy they cant help it its like an addiction. We should force every one to comply with the greater good so everyone is equal. We should censor this country so everyone thinks the same. Censor the internet, ban porn. Equal wages, force military service. Make this gov't stronger.

 

[Little Wing]

but we live in a world were we must care for people, make decisions for them, help them. So why not ban all unhealthy foods and prevent them from every getting that way. Allowing people to get fat and unhealthy is not nice we have to hold their hands and help them. Its not their fault they are unhealthy they cant help it its like an addiction. We should force every one to comply with the greater good so everyone is equal. We should censor this country so everyone thinks the same. Censor the internet, ban porn. Equal wages, force military service. Make this gov't stronger.

people can get disgustingly fat on healthy foods.

 

[jay_steel]

cancer does not discriminate or care who exercises and eats right. everyone needs insurance. we were almost killed by a fucking retarded driver today... no one is immune to catastrophe.

that is your opinion that everyone needs medical insurance. My dad has lived his entire life with out it. He has no late medical bills goes into walk in clinics gets his stuff he needs done and pays cash. He calculated it out and hes saved ALLOT of money. It is his choice and his choice alone. The problem is we have no money to fund this period. Our people are broke, even if they taxed the rich at 50% it would not fund this. They will just begin to print more money and then force people into medical insurance that cant afford the rates that apply to their income. I believe a silver plan for a single person making 50k is close to 500$ a month and the benefits are actually HORRIBLE..Insane deductible. The only thing this plan helps is the poor and the rich. It does nothing for the working class of America. Nothing at all...

You honestly trust this gov't enough to manage a health care system, when the IRS is corrupt, contracting jobs are corrupt, democrats and republicans are corrupt. What happens when one of your dreaded Republicans becomes President again and the Republican party has the power in congress? What do you think would happen? This policy has NOTHING to do with helping the people. It has to do with putting the Gov't in further control of the people.

Where is the money going to come from?

If the print more cash our $$ drops=fuel costs increase, food increases, and other items needed for daily survival go up.