Need advice on perscribed TRT meds.

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vit d3 5000mg ,.vit e 400iu,.. coq10 50mg per day. fish oil 3000mg I also take every day. what minerals are you referring to???

Have to admit, this stuff is hard to dial in...Jut did my next round of labs with endo and waiting for results..Still on his 100 mg test cyp 2x/week split in 50 mg inj..Dropped back to .25 adex not eod but e2day..My libido has gone down with nightime erections few here and there. I am getting some water retention and man boobs are showing up, energy level is soso, sleep pattern is a little off, also my nips are tender, but only left one, have a little acne showing up on back..Thinkin about going to 150mg/wk split in two doses every 3.5 days. am looking for some info on what you guys think with adex, estrogen and where to take this...Of course endo wouldn't run e2 again, says don't need it..Thinking about maybe trying some aromasin or formestane to see if it would work better. When my tests come back will know if sides from adex is affecting my lipids.... kinda stumped..

 

[independent]

If your nips are tender you have high e2. Dont up your test dose because it will get worse. Sounds like you need to up your ai dosage. Insist on e2 labs or get them done yourself asap. You would probably do better on aromasin too.

 

[flood]

If your nips are tender you have high e2. Dont up your test dose because it will get worse. Sounds like you need to up your ai dosage. Insist on e2 labs or get them done yourself asap. You would probably do better on aromasin too.

Good to know & sound advice. I'm looking at this now, nips very slightly tender ew to eow. My endo is opposed to AI citing a new study showing it increases inrta-abdominal fat.

On 60mg/day Axiron now. He agreed to let me do IM cyp starting next week.
Here's my labs if anyone could help/advise;
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/t...85-testosterone-gel-question-axiron-pump.html
5th post down.

Don't mean to hijack the thread flagsup but we're in the same boat- :fistbump:

 

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If your nips are tender you have high e2. Dont up your test dose because it will get worse. Sounds like you need to up your ai dosage. Insist on e2 labs or get them done yourself asap. You would probably do better on aromasin too.

Thanks big moe..Wasn't quite sure if I was dealing with high or low e2, but yes, going to get to private lab soon to check if endo won't do e2 test also..Do you think adding some tamox will help with decreasing man boobs? They just seem like they are getting more fatty, and my bf is still 17%. Diet is clean, high protein and low carbs. Just kinda stumped but it just seems like I take alot of adex. The last time I took formestane in big dose, dropped my e2 to 4. With aromasin, is that taken 12.5mg twice a week?

 

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Good to know & sound advice. I'm looking at this now, nips very slightly tender ew to eow. My endo is opposed to AI citing a new study showing it increases inrta-abdominal fat.

On 60mg/day Axiron now. He agreed to let me do IM cyp starting next week.
Here's my labs if anyone could help/advise;
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/t...85-testosterone-gel-question-axiron-pump.html
5th post down.

Don't mean to hijack the thread flagsup but we're in the same boat- :fistbump:

It's all good, we are all here to learn from those who have been there..Big moe knows his shit..

 

[independent]

Thanks big moe..Wasn't quite sure if I was dealing with high or low e2, but yes, going to get to private lab soon to check if endo won't do e2 test also..Do you think adding some tamox will help with decreasing man boobs? They just seem like they are getting more fatty, and my bf is still 17%. Diet is clean, high protein and low carbs. Just kinda stumped but it just seems like I take alot of adex. The last time I took formestane in big dose, dropped my e2 to 4. With aromasin, is that taken 12.5mg twice a week?

Get labs first and we can go from there. You could need 12mgs of aromasin eod. Not sure about the nolva. Also dont change anything until you get labs done.

 

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Get labs first and we can go from there. You could need 12mgs of aromasin eod. Not sure about the nolva. Also dont change anything until you get labs done.

My labs are done but my endo apt. is on the 13th so I will find out what Doc has to say and what my labs are..If I can't get him to run e2 I will get it throught labcorp. will post it soon. thanks Big Moe

 

[independent]

My labs are done but my endo apt. is on the 13th so I will find out what Doc has to say and what my labs are..If I can't get him to run e2 I will get it throught labcorp. will post it soon. thanks Big Moe

Tell him you want a serum estradiol test. If he says no ask him why not since hes not paying for it.

 

[zdudezdud]

If I were you I would go to Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online and get your tests done cheap fast and you can pick and choose what you want. I get labs done by my doc 2x a year but I like to know what is going on when I feel like shit or when I feel good then I know for sure. Get E2 sensitive test along with total test free test etc.. Then when you know what your test levels are say at 150mg cyp a week you would only have to get the sensitive E2 test done which is like 48 or 68 dollars. 90% of the time when you don't feel right it has to do with your E2 on TRT.
At least the above is what works for me. I like to have control of what is going on in my body. Screw the doc telling me he is not going to treat something because he found a study saying this or that, for every study he finds saying something neg I can find one that say something positive. He is not the one who is going to get gyno or not be able to get hard right?
Anyway hope you get things under control

 

[Machmood]

What's your guys thoughts on exemestane vs arimidex. Which is safer?

 

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Tell him you want a serum estradiol test. If he says no ask him why not since hes not paying for it.

I have been telling him to run e2 serum but since my labs show fine so far on e2 he says he cannot justify it. He is really an idiot but I get my script, thats really all I want from him. Found a sponsor to get the rest cyp I need so all is good there. I will get the rest of my labs checked by private labs..

 

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If I were you I would go to Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online and get your tests done cheap fast and you can pick and choose what you want. I get labs done by my doc 2x a year but I like to know what is going on when I feel like shit or when I feel good then I know for sure. Get E2 sensitive test along with total test free test etc.. Then when you know what your test levels are say at 150mg cyp a week you would only have to get the sensitive E2 test done which is like 48 or 68 dollars. 90% of the time when you don't feel right it has to do with your E2 on TRT.
At least the above is what works for me. I like to have control of what is going on in my body. Screw the doc telling me he is not going to treat something because he found a study saying this or that, for every study he finds saying something neg I can find one that say something positive. He is not the one who is going to get gyno or not be able to get hard right?
Anyway hope you get things under control

I here ya there. I had private labs do them once before in between my endo visits. $59 is what I pay for that, if I can't get endo to run e2 I will through private labs again. I try to atleast get them done every couple months..surprising how much these endo's are stupid on this subject..

 

[chocolatemalt]

I here ya there. I had private labs do them once before in between my endo visits. $59 is what I pay for that, if I can't get endo to run e2 I will through private labs again. I try to atleast get them done every couple months..surprising how much these endo's are stupid on this subject..

With a coupon, that female hormone panel is just $51 or so. You could use the results not only to show to the endo if you indeed have elevated E2 but also how the results arrived in only a day or two...

 

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With a coupon, that female hormone panel is just $51 or so. You could use the results not only to show to the endo if you indeed have elevated E2 but also how the results arrived in only a day or two...

that's right, I forgot about that. I can't show my endo about the lab reports on the e2, he would reduce my dosage on my test. I do the lab work for my e2 just so I can regulate what I need to.I wish it was different but it isn't.he doesn't want to hear anything that has to do with using an AI.

 

[zdudezdud]

Hey Flagsup what is your endo have you on anyway? Protocol dose etc.... Sorry if you posted it as I have not went back through all posts. Also, does you INS pickup everything cost wise?

 

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Hey Flagsup what is your endo have you on anyway? Protocol dose etc.... Sorry if you posted it as I have not went back through all posts. Also, does you INS pickup everything cost wise?

My endo presently prescribes 100mg every 7 days. in may he had me at this dose and my total test was 474, e2 at 19, was taking formeron with. In june he tested me with 100mg every 5 days, my total test was 761, free test was 279, e2 was 31, taking arim stage 5 otc pct. He said my free was too high so put me back at 100mg every 7 days but I pin every 3.5 and in october I tested at labcorp through private labs and total was 595, e2 at 14.1 with .25 adex eod. He doesn't know i pin every 3.5 and kmows nothing about any ai. My lipids came back and body fat has dropped to 14.6%, happy bout that..Will find the rest out soon..

 

[sneedham]

Sounds like you are getting a good handle on the situation. It is nice to see someone grow and learn from the knowledgeable members. Keep up the good work....Awesome bro....

 

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Sounds like you are getting a good handle on the situation. It is nice to see someone grow and learn from the knowledgeable members. Keep up the good work....Awesome bro....

Thanks, it takes awhile but I feel like I am getting closer to my goal..The way I see it, even the experienced had to start somewhere...

 

[oufinny]

My endo presently prescribes 100mg every 7 days. in may he had me at this dose and my total test was 474, e2 at 19, was taking formeron with. In june he tested me with 100mg every 5 days, my total test was 761, free test was 279, e2 was 31, taking arim stage 5 otc pct. He said my free was too high so put me back at 100mg every 7 days but I pin every 3.5 and in october I tested at labcorp through private labs and total was 595, e2 at 14.1 with .25 adex eod. He doesn't know i pin every 3.5 and kmows nothing about any ai. My lipids came back and body fat has dropped to 14.6%, happy bout that..Will find the rest out soon..

595 test is too high when the range goes up to what, 1100ng/dl. There is conservative and there is just plain stupid. Stop that AI and fess up to your endo, it's raising your test levels and if your next test is low he can up your dose and give you an AI. Worth a try!

 

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595 test is too high when the range goes up to what, 1100ng/dl. There is conservative and there is just plain stupid. Stop that AI and fess up to your endo, it's raising your test levels and if your next test is low he can up your dose and give you an AI. Worth a try!

It is not the total test he was worried about, he said my free test was 279 and that was above the average. When my e2 was 31 I talked to him about arimidex and he said no way, that is for breast cancer and not intended for men. He says e2 is fine up to 70. When he moved my script back to 100mg every 7 days, we talked about trying to get my levels up around 800 and arimidex and he said if that was what I wanted then I needed to find another endo because that was anabolic not trt. He is the only one around that my primary and secondary insurance work with so I just go with his script, learn what I can from members and adjust my own on the side..I have tapped him out so I just play his game to get my script...My e2 seems to work best for me around 20..

 

[Presser]

My e2 seems to work best for me around 20..

My trt doc says 20 - 25 is optimal for E2.

 

[Presser]

It is not the total test he was worried about, he said my free test was 279 and that was above the average. When my e2 was 31 I talked to him about arimidex and he said no way, that is for breast cancer and not intended for men. He says e2 is fine up to 70. When he moved my script back to 100mg every 7 days, we talked about trying to get my levels up around 800 and arimidex and he said if that was what I wanted then I needed to find another endo because that was anabolic not trt. He is the only one around that my primary and secondary insurance work with so I just go with his script, learn what I can from members and adjust my own on the side..I have tapped him out so I just play his game to get my script...My e2 seems to work best for me around 20..

For statistical purposes, typical male testosterone levels range between 250ng/dl to 850 ng/dl.

But... this is not necessarily a healthy range! Reference ranges aren't typically set by what is healthy and what is not. They are set by where 95% of the population lies.

Do you honestly believe 95% of the population is healthy? Unfortunately many doctors fall prey to this line of thinking.

Normal Testosterone Levels in Men by Age - Free and Total Healthy Male Ranges


Testosterone: What?s a Normal Testosterone Level in Men? | The Art of Manliness

 

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For statistical purposes, typical male testosterone levels range between 250ng/dl to 850 ng/dl.

But... this is not necessarily a healthy range! Reference ranges aren't typically set by what is healthy and what is not. They are set by where 95% of the population lies.

Do you honestly believe 95% of the population is healthy? Unfortunately many doctors fall prey to this line of thinking.

Normal Testosterone Levels in Men by Age - Free and Total Healthy Male Ranges


Testosterone: What?s a Normal Testosterone Level in Men? | The Art of Manliness

very good articles, makes you wonder where the brain is in the medical field...

 

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Tell him you want a serum estradiol test. If he says no ask him why not since hes not paying for it.

Got my labs back from endo today..With pinning 50mg every 3.5 days my total test was 598ng/dl, free test 185 pg/ml, bioavailable 372.5 ng/dl, shbg 10 nmol/l, albumin 4.4 g/dl.. My hdl chloresterole went from 44 to 36, ldl from 98 to 67, total chloresterole from 146 to 125...Trigl are at 119..Basically my labs are the same as they were 2 months ago when I got them from private labs..I asked about e2, he said he will not run it because he is not giving me high enough dose to justify running it...I went ahead and upped my test to 75mg every 3.5 days and .25 adex ed the last week and man boobs are looking better and tighter, libido is still soso. Atleast now I don't have to go back to see this idiot for 6 months..

 

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Hey Flagsup what is your endo have you on anyway? Protocol dose etc.... Sorry if you posted it as I have not went back through all posts. Also, does you INS pickup everything cost wise?

My insurance don't cover squat. I buy my test straight out to get the 10cc vial. My ai, an extra test , liquid Cialis I get from sponsors .Everything is pretty much out of pocket.

Ok, got my new labs in from Labcorp, I am currently taking 150 mgs split every 3.5 days with .5 mgs liquid aromasin ed, and 10mgs of liquid cialis. My labs are taken 3.5 days after shot. TT is 582, e2 is 21.3, LH .2, FSH .3, albumin 3.8, whatever BUN is says its high at 26, BUN/Creatinine ratio high at 24, hematocrit 47.7, hemoglobin 15.9, wbc 6.8. rbc 5.4. Now this is weird because takin 100 mgs test every 7 days puts me at 474, free test 123.7 and bioavailable at 249, 100 mgs split every 3.5 days put me at 595, 100mgs takin every 5 days puts me ate 761 with free test at 279.5 and bioavailable at 562.7 and e2 at 31. endo didn't like every 5 days and put me back to 100 mgs every 7 days, he like the 474 better. should I bump my test up and to what? This is quit confusing.. Thinking bout doing way with endo or finding another one. He won't check my DHEA levels or deal with HCG or anything he is completely satisfied I 474 levels. I have no problem with erections but libido is really weak and energy levels are low, workouts aren't as hardcore as use to be early on. Not sure what to do...

 

[sneedham]

Tell him you want a serum estradiol test. If he says no ask him why not since hes not paying for it.

^^So true^^ Dialing in your E2 is extremely important, do as Bigmoe65 says. Also, low and or high E2 level side effects can be very similar. Once you know where your sweet spot is( mine is about 15-20), you will feel much better.

 

[independent]

I would try adding in hcg at 250 ius twice a week with your current dose and see how you feel. You could also just bump your test dose to 200mgs a week too. You need to start expeimenting to get yourself dialed in since your endo wont.

 

[flagsup]

I would try adding in hcg at 250 ius twice a week with your current dose and see how you feel. You could also just bump your test dose to 200mgs a week too. You need to start expeimenting to get yourself dialed in since your endo wont.

Thanks Big Moe.. I am hesitant on HCG think it might bump my e2 since I seem to be etsro sensitive more these days then in previous years, but have been reading up on it more. I read that on trt if one doesn't take HCG then he should take DHEA and possibly pregnenelone.. How do you feel about that? What if I up my test dose and tae DHEA with it? Also, thinking about dropping the endo and doing it on my own, good or bad idea? Endo is just a pain in the butt when it comes time for labs and trying to get everything back to his level...

 

[independent]

At 250ius of hcg I think a raise in e2 would be minimal. Im not to schooled on dheq and preg but ive read about it a little. Both ave poor bioavailibility taken orally. Keep yur endo until you find one you like, just for legal reasons.

 

[flagsup]

At 250ius of hcg I think a raise in e2 would be minimal. Im not to schooled on dheq and preg but ive read about it a little. Both ave poor bioavailibility taken orally. Keep yur endo until you find one you like, just for legal reasons.

I hear ya on the legal reasons. I have started lookin for another. I have an apt with endo next month, was going talk to him about testing DHEA. In the meantime I am gonna hold my current dose so my labs with him don"t go up...