PCT after 8 months

[ManInBlack]

Stats are roughly

5'11"
205 pounds
10 percent body fat
27 years old

I have been blasting and cruising for about 8 months now and I am ready to come off for a little while

for about 4 or 5 months I have been running Test E at 250 mgs a week with adex at about 0.5 mg EOD.

What can you guys recommend for a solid PCT to get my body back up and running again?

I know I should run some Clomid, but I am not sure on the dosage, also should I switch from ADEX to Aromasin? I have heard about the bad rebound effect from Adex and want nothing to do with that.

Basically I am looking for help putting together the most effective and least harsh PCT I can run.

Thanks guys.

 

[NoviceAAS]

Before you come off run some HCG for a few weeks @ 500ius every 4 days NO MORE . Then stop your injections continue taking the HCG for 1 more week , then after two weeks from your last injection start a PCT consisting of Clomid and Nolva dosed at 100mg a day and 40 mg a day for 2 weeks , then drop that dose to 50mg and 20mg for 2 more weeks. Aromasin can be used during but it depends on where your estro is at right now, do you happen to know ? If you do decide to use it keep it relatively low dose, something like 6.25 mg ED or EOD

 

[ManInBlack]

Thanks for the reply man I really really appreciate it..

I don't know exactly where my estro is right now but I know its in the normal to low range..

 

[NoviceAAS]

ok well then just be careful you dont hammer it in to the dirt, because low estro sucks too. HCG will have slight conversion to estro, but at 500ius it will be nothing of concern. Within a day or so of taking the HCG you'll probably notice your balls hanging nice , this will help kick start your PCT . HCG stimulates Lydeg cels and tricks your feedback loop in to thinking it needs to make testosterone. During the whole time youve been adding exogeneous test it has not needed to produce hence the "shut down".

Have you ever used HCG ? Do you know how to mix it ? and I always recommend buying an extra bottle or AMP , there is a lot of fake HCG out there. You use that extra bottle to squirt on a pregnancy test to make sure what you are using is good.

 

[ManInBlack]

Thank you brother.. My libido is very shitty right now as well and has been OFF and ON for the past couple months. I know my estro has stayed in check so do you think its because I haven't been running HCG?

 

[ManInBlack]

And let me ask this..

What if I were to keep cruising but just start using HCG alongside my cruise dose?? Would that get some natural test production going so my balls are functioning OR at this point should I just go ahead and run a PCT?

 

[NoviceAAS]

Are your balls hanging tight and high , thats always a sure indicator to me that I need to get on some HCG ? Also Low estro as well as high estro can kill libido and they are hard to tell by symptom alone , although for me when my estro gets too low my joints start cracking. Also see my post above, I added a little for you.

 

[NoviceAAS]

And let me ask this..

What if I were to keep cruising but just start using HCG alongside my cruise dose?? Would that get some natural test production going so my balls are functioning OR at this point should I just go ahead and run a PCT?

Yes thats the idea and why Im suggesting you run some HCG before you come off.

 

[ManInBlack]

Thanks Novice... I sent you a PM brother. I really appreciate your help

 

[independent]

ok well then just be careful you dont hammer it in to the dirt, because low estro sucks too. HCG will have slight conversion to estro, but at 500ius it will be nothing of concern. Within a day or so of taking the HCG you'll probably notice your balls hanging nice , this will help kick start your PCT . HCG stimulates Lydeg cels and tricks your feedback loop in to thinking it needs to make testosterone. During the whole time youve been adding exogeneous test it has not needed to produce hence the "shut down".

Have you ever used HCG ? Do you know how to mix it ? and I always recommend buying an extra bottle or AMP , there is a lot of fake HCG out there. You use that extra bottle to squirt on a pregnancy test to make sure what you are using is good.

Hcg doesnt trick the feedback loop, hcg just mimics lh (leutinizing hormone) which makes the testes produce testosterone. Hcg is suppressive so its only used before pct starts. What i would do is start running hcg everyday at 250-500ius a day for a week straight to kickstart your nuts, then back off to 250ius for another week prior to starting pct. Start your hcg a week after your last test shot. When do you plan coming off exactly?

 

[NoviceAAS]

I guess I could have worded it differently, mimics is probably a better and more acurate description than tricks. Still I think we were saying the same thing, except for our doseage protocol.

 

[oilfieldtrash]

if you dont have any hcg on hand before coming off cycle, how long would it take for the boys to return to normal on a nolvadex only PCT?

 

[NoviceAAS]

Depends on what you were running and how long you were running it for. Also Nolva plus clomid is a better choice than just nolva alone.

 

[independent]

I guess I could have worded it differently, mimics is probably a better and more acurate description than tricks. Still I think we were saying the same thing, except for our doseage protocol.

The dosage i recomended is actually on the low side of what some docs will prescribe for a htpa restart. I see dosages of 2500ius eod for a few weeks.

 

[ManInBlack]

Hcg doesnt trick the feedback loop, hcg just mimics lh (leutinizing hormone) which makes the testes produce testosterone. Hcg is suppressive so its only used before pct starts. What i would do is start running hcg everyday at 250-500ius a day for a week straight to kickstart your nuts, then back off to 250ius for another week prior to starting pct. Start your hcg a week after your last test shot. When do you plan coming off exactly?

Moe, I plan to come off as soon as possible. I am just trying to figure out who to use for some legit HCG right now. Once I get the HCG I will be ready to roll.

So you are saying 250-500 iu's ED for a week and then the NEXT week use 250iu's ED???

I have been told to run the HCG for two weeks while still using test and THEN to drop the test and continue with the HCG a few more weeks, but you are telling me to start the HCG a week after my last shot is that right??

 

[ManInBlack]

Moe, are you also suggesting that I start my Clomid and Nolva the same time I start the HCG? I really need to get an exact plan laid out

 

[ManInBlack]

One more post, geez, sorry.

So Moe, lets say I do my last shot of Test TODAY. Then I should wait 1 week and start blasting HCG at 500iu's everyday for 1 week and then the NEXT week drop down to 250iu's everyday. Is that right? If so, how does the Clomid and Nolva fit into that? I was going to run the Clomid and Nolva at the dosages that NOVICE suggested.

 

[NoviceAAS]

Get moes input too so you have both our opinions, but I think he will agree not to run HCG and clomid at the same time. I think the only place we differ is I say start HCG right now and the strength of the dose we recommend , but he did say he has had Drs recommend his dose . I must admit I have never tried it as strong as Moe suggests so I cant comment on that, but for me hcg has worked great !
Did you find some ?

 

[ManInBlack]

I haven't found any yet, I mean I have, but I'm not sure who I want to use. I am thinking I will go with P.S.L.

Honestly I want to start the HCG right away so I am thinking:

Weeks 1 and 2 HCG: 250iu's ED

then drop the Test, while still running HCG for two weeks and letting the test clear

Weeks 3 and 4 HCG: 500iu's every 4TH day

Then dropping the HCG and starting Clomid and Nolva

Clomid 100mg ED for 2 weeks
Nolva 40mg ED for 2 weeks
then dropping dosages to
Clomid 50mg ED for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mg ED for 2 weeks

Also trying to figure out where to place EITHER aromasin or adex in there somewhere for Estro problems.

What do you think about that layout sirs? And also what do you guys think about either adex or aromasin and at what dose?

 

[blergs.]

Stats are roughly

5'11"
205 pounds
10 percent body fat
27 years old

I have been blasting and cruising for about 8 months now and I am ready to come off for a little while

for about 4 or 5 months I have been running Test E at 250 mgs a week with adex at about 0.5 mg EOD.

What can you guys recommend for a solid PCT to get my body back up and running again?

I know I should run some Clomid, but I am not sure on the dosage, also should I switch from ADEX to Aromasin? I have heard about the bad rebound effect from Adex and want nothing to do with that.

Basically I am looking for help putting together the most effective and least harsh PCT I can run.

Thanks guys.

I rec 4-5 weeks of HCG at 500iu 2X a week while on the hrt amount of test, going one week passed the stop of hrt dose test, then start a 4-5 week PCT of 35-50mg Clomid ED and 20mg tamox ed.

 

[independent]

I haven't found any yet, I mean I have, but I'm not sure who I want to use. I am thinking I will go with P.S.L.

Honestly I want to start the HCG right away so I am thinking:

Weeks 1 and 2 HCG: 250iu's ED

then drop the Test, while still running HCG for two weeks and letting the test clear

Weeks 3 and 4 HCG: 500iu's every 4TH day

Then dropping the HCG and starting Clomid and Nolva

Clomid 100mg ED for 2 weeks
Nolva 40mg ED for 2 weeks
then dropping dosages to
Clomid 50mg ED for 2 weeks
Nolva 20mg ED for 2 weeks

Also trying to figure out where to place EITHER aromasin or adex in there somewhere for Estro problems.

What do you think about that layout sirs? And also what do you guys think about either adex or aromasin and at what dose?

When you get your hcg start running it with your test, i would start it with your last test shot. Run it at 500iu for 7 days straight, you could go lower but youve been on cycle a long time. After the first week of hcg run another week at 250 ius. After 2 weeks of hcg run your pct youve laid out. You probably could run your clomid at 50mgs the whole time. Clomid is potent. You need aromasin the whole way thru pct. 12mgs everyday would probably be enough. Make sure to use an ai when you start hcg.

 

[ManInBlack]

Moe, so when you say "after two weeks of HCG run your pct you laid out" Do I go ahead and then DROP the HCG?

 

[blergs.]

When starting PCt , make sure you have stopped the HCG , which ever way you end up using the HCG. * I rec longer HCG at less dose, but w/e

 

[independent]

Moe, so when you say "after two weeks of HCG run your pct you laid out" Do I go ahead and then DROP the HCG?

Yes.

 

[malfeasance]

MIB,

Why so long?

I have been off all gear for over a year due to an injury, and, while I am smaller, I feel a LOT better.

Interestingly, it took almost a year to really feel the difference, especially in areas like libido.

At 27, I hope you bounce back easier.

 

[ManInBlack]

Man I have just been enjoying looking great! lol!

Glad to hear from ya buddy. Waiting on this HCG to come in so I can start running it and then Im gonna PCT and stay off a little while

 

[ManInBlack]

Ok so I start my PCT tomorrow... I have been running HCG for two weeks now..

I am going to run Clomid 50mg ED for 4 weeks and Nolva at 20mg ED for 4 weeks

I have ADEX and NOT aromasin..How much ADEX would you guys suggest running during my PCT?

Thanks,

MIB

 

[s2h]

i will say this cause i dont want to confuse the OP anymore then it seems he may be...no 1 PCT protocol will have the same effect with every person..just like no AAS cycle has the same effect...if anything PCT protocols can vary even more then AAS cycles in terms of recovery time and results..

Trial and error...get something going that is around what the posters mentioned and see what happens...take notes...get labs..document how your body reacts..its all about learning what YOUR body needs to recover..

Side note:if you plan on jumping back on cycle in less then or up to 4 months...there is no use in a PCT..it just becomes a roller coaster ride at that point..

 

[malfeasance]

Ok so I start my PCT tomorrow... I have been running HCG for two weeks now..

I am going to run Clomid 50mg ED for 4 weeks and Nolva at 20mg ED for 4 weeks

I have ADEX and NOT aromasin..How much ADEX would you guys suggest running during my PCT?

Thanks,

MIB

We're roughly a month out. How are you hanging in there?