Ran my first IGF-1 LR3 cycle

[wiseone]

Wait... so the beginning of the 4th week you go one injection every third day? I'm still not clear on what's the longest cycle you can go on and post cycle length of time. I'd like to get a general consensus on what is an average dose and what's a high dose. I think 40 mcg is average, and 80 mcg is high...

FWIW,
http://www.everydayfitness.net/what-is-bodybuilding-igf-1.shtml
He says he speaks with a lot of top bodybuilders and guru's so he's quite knowledgeable. Hard to know what works unless u do trial and error intelligently. Under dose not over dose for starters.

 

[wiseone]

Wait... so the beginning of the 4th week you go one injection every third day? I'm still not clear on what's the longest cycle you can go on and post cycle length of time. I'd like to get a general consensus on what is an average dose and what's a high dose. I think 40 mcg is average, and 80 mcg is high...

Boats,
I sent u another private message, check it out when u get time.

 

[bucknaked]

OP, your results are impressive to say the least.

I agree, I wouldn't do MGF and IGF together.


PEG-MGF for four weeks then IGF-1 LR3 for four weeks.

IGF would only be one injection every third day of the last four weeks.

You want a IGF spike after muscle damage then it activates its receptors and the magic happens for about 72 hours.

Elevated blood IGF for prolonged periods can cause intestinal growth.

Some guys tell you to dose IGF three or four times a day, nuts.

In high doses it might but I dont think I can agree with ya if its done broke up in 10mcgs x 4 so long as one of them is a minimum of 4hrs post workout

 

[ElitePeptides]

Great research done here!

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

So here is another graph.... I love graphs lol. This shows the 19 days before I started IGf-1 LR3, 19 days during the cycle, then 19 days post cycle, so a total of 9 weeks. I think the IGF kick started me somehow (though I'm only 23 y.o.) since I gained a few pounds even after my cycle which is amazing since I haven't gained weight in like 2 years, definitely worth noting. I messed up the reconstitution and that's why I did 80mcg, I start my new cycle on Monday and shooting for 60mcg this time around, 4 times a week for 3 weeks then for the last week every 3rd day, so twice that week. I heard that was the safe way to cycle the 4th week, unless anyone wants to chime in. Still learning the specifics.

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

Not a bad article but I don't agree with all of it. Everyone is different and trial and error are gonna have to be used, just like any other medication you would receive. However I think the dosages he suggests are quite high to start out with, I think it should be started out low, not high. What doctor do you know, wait, what good doctor do you know that says okay we are gonna start you out on a new medication and I'm gonna give you the high dosage version first. You gotta see how the body reacts to the small dosages first, anything else might just be a waste or potentially being picked up by other IGF-1 receptors you don't want picking them up. I also don't agree with the half life, I felt the effects from the IGF-1 for 3 days after. Used pre or post workout, I agree with a post workout injection but not pre. It's not an energy drink, it's not test, you simply won't get any effects from it and it's more efficient to go post workout so your muscle can just soak it up and it's not messing with natural IGF production.

FWIW,
http://www.everydayfitness.net/what-is-bodybuilding-igf-1.shtml
He says he speaks with a lot of top bodybuilders and guru's so he's quite knowledgeable. Hard to know what works unless u do trial and error intelligently. Under dose not over dose for starters.

 

[bucknaked]

Just a little word of wisdom to keep in mind when "researching" IGF-1 and a high protien diet... KEEP YOU BODY MOSTLY ALKALINE RATHER THAN ACIDIC.... by controlling your body's PH balance through diet and supplementation. Without getting to technical I'll summerize and let you do the research yourself...

High acicidity triggers the pituitary-adrenal cortex to release cortisol. Researchers have obvserved a cortisol increase after healthy adults ate an acid-generating high PROTIEN meal. Serum and salivary cortisol increased siginigantly
ithin a few hours after the high protien meal, and cortisol levels are dependent on the protien content of the meal... (The type is unclear to me)
Long story short... Cortisol can stimulate tumor growth and high levels of it are linked to insulin resistance, which can increase the risk of developing colorectal, pancreatic, edometrial, kidney, and breat cancer for those who have man boobs...
High protien elevates levels of IGF-1. And when IGF-1 binds with the insulin receptors it stops the cancer cells from dying and actually encourages them to proliferate... The moral of the story is watch what you eat when taking IGF-1, research which foods to eat to keep a healthy intracellular pH alkaline between 7.2 - 7.5 squared. Tumor cells thrive in the lowest pH cells.

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

So what's your diet that you stick to on IGF-1? Kinda struggling with what you said....

Just a little word of wisdom to keep in mind when "researching" IGF-1 and a high protien diet... KEEP YOU BODY MOSTLY ALKALINE RATHER THAN ACIDIC.... by controlling your body's PH balance through diet and supplementation. Without getting to technical I'll summerize and let you do the research yourself...

High acicidity triggers the pituitary-adrenal cortex to release cortisol. Researchers have obvserved a cortisol increase after healthy adults ate an acid-generating high PROTIEN meal. Serum and salivary cortisol increased siginigantly
ithin a few hours after the high protien meal, and cortisol levels are dependent on the protien content of the meal... (The type is unclear to me)
Long story short... Cortisol can stimulate tumor growth and high levels of it are linked to insulin resistance, which can increase the risk of developing colorectal, pancreatic, edometrial, kidney, and breat cancer for those who have man boobs...
High protien elevates levels of IGF-1. And when IGF-1 binds with the insulin receptors it stops the cancer cells from dying and actually encourages them to proliferate... The moral of the story is watch what you eat when taking IGF-1, research which foods to eat to keep a healthy intracellular pH alkaline between 7.2 - 7.5 squared. Tumor cells thrive in the lowest pH cells.

 

[THEIGF-1MAN]

Just a little word of wisdom to keep in mind when "researching" IGF-1 and a high protien diet... KEEP YOU BODY MOSTLY ALKALINE RATHER THAN ACIDIC.... by controlling your body's PH balance through diet and supplementation. Without getting to technical I'll summerize and let you do the research yourself...

High acicidity triggers the pituitary-adrenal cortex to release cortisol. Researchers have obvserved a cortisol increase after healthy adults ate an acid-generating high PROTIEN meal. Serum and salivary cortisol increased siginigantly
ithin a few hours after the high protien meal, and cortisol levels are dependent on the protien content of the meal... (The type is unclear to me)
Long story short... Cortisol can stimulate tumor growth and high levels of it are linked to insulin resistance, which can increase the risk of developing colorectal, pancreatic, edometrial, kidney, and breat cancer for those who have man boobs...
High protien elevates levels of IGF-1. And when IGF-1 binds with the insulin receptors it stops the cancer cells from dying and actually encourages them to proliferate... The moral of the story is watch what you eat when taking IGF-1, research which foods to eat to keep a healthy intracellular pH alkaline between 7.2 - 7.5 squared. Tumor cells thrive in the lowest pH cells.

Excellent post on the importance of alkalizing.
Yes it's proven acidity causes cancer, that is cancerous cells can only live and thrive in an acidic environment- lots of sugars, smoking, alcohol, acidic foods.
Cancer can not live in an alkalized(oxygenated) environment.

 

[THEIGF-1MAN]

Just a little word of wisdom to keep in mind when "researching" IGF-1 and a high protien diet... KEEP YOU BODY MOSTLY ALKALINE RATHER THAN ACIDIC.... by controlling your body's PH balance through diet and supplementation. Without getting to technical I'll summerize and let you do the research yourself...

High acicidity triggers the pituitary-adrenal cortex to release cortisol. Researchers have obvserved a cortisol increase after healthy adults ate an acid-generating high PROTIEN meal. Serum and salivary cortisol increased siginigantly
ithin a few hours after the high protien meal, and cortisol levels are dependent on the protien content of the meal... (The type is unclear to me)
Long story short... Cortisol can stimulate tumor growth and high levels of it are linked to insulin resistance, which can increase the risk of developing colorectal, pancreatic, edometrial, kidney, and breat cancer for those who have man boobs...
High protien elevates levels of IGF-1. And when IGF-1 binds with the insulin receptors it stops the cancer cells from dying and actually encourages them to proliferate... The moral of the story is watch what you eat when taking IGF-1, research which foods to eat to keep a healthy intracellular pH alkaline between 7.2 - 7.5 squared. Tumor cells thrive in the lowest pH cells.

The medical community has always known this, but cancer is big business!
Do a search on Dr. Coldwell and Dr. Simulcini, whom have both proven and demonstrated that cancer is produced in an acidic environment and cured by highly alkalizing the body. High ph kills cancer, that is cancer thrives in an acidic body but can not live in a highly oxygenated(alkalized) body. Dr. Simulcini was the pioneer of applying sodium bicarbonate(highly alkalizing) to cancer, in particular injecting sodium bicarbonate directly into his patients tumors. His success rate was 92+ % (that is for every 100 patients he cured 92 or over), unlike chemotherapy which has a long term success rate of 2%. Needles to say the FDA, AMA and government will not allow him to practice in the USA. As chemotherapy and cancer is just too big a business and extremely profitable.

 

[Soujerz]

The medical community has always known this, but cancer is big business!
Do a search on Dr. Coldwell and Dr. Simulcini, whom have both proven and demonstrated that cancer is produced in an acidic environment and cured by highly alkalizing the body. High ph kills cancer, that is cancer thrives in an acidic body but can not live in a highly oxygenated(alkalized) body. Dr. Simulcini was the pioneer of applying sodium bicarbonate(highly alkalizing) to cancer, in particular injecting sodium bicarbonate directly into his patients tumors. His success rate was 92+ % (that is for every 100 patients he cured 92 or over), unlike chemotherapy which has a long term success rate of 2%. Needles to say the FDA, AMA and government will not allow him to practice in the USA. As chemotherapy and cancer is just too big a business and extremely profitable.

Youre fucked govt is a coming

 

[bucknaked]

The medical community has always known this, but cancer is big business!
Do a search on Dr. Coldwell and Dr. Simulcini, whom have both proven and demonstrated that cancer is produced in an acidic environment and cured by highly alkalizing the body. High ph kills cancer, that is cancer thrives in an acidic body but can not live in a highly oxygenated(alkalized) body. Dr. Simulcini was the pioneer of applying sodium bicarbonate(highly alkalizing) to cancer, in particular injecting sodium bicarbonate directly into his patients tumors. His success rate was 92+ % (that is for every 100 patients he cured 92 or over), unlike chemotherapy which has a long term success rate of 2%. Needles to say the FDA, AMA and government will not allow him to practice in the USA. As chemotherapy and cancer is just too big a business and extremely profitable.

Great post...!!! Good to see someone else who knows whats up with the "establishment" and why they do what they do... Theres more evidence that an acid state is linked to the decrease in muscle mass... But studies show that supplementing patients with sodium bicarbonate before an exhaustive excersise resulted in significantly less acidosis in the blood than those who werent supplemented with SB.

Just so Im clear the first step in making your body more alkaline is not to eliminate or sharply decrease protien intake. You of course need protien to build muscle and prevent the loss of muscle mass known as sarcopenia... Eating slightly less protien is okay, just dont over do it... Besides, the body can only absorb approx 20mgs at a time anyway... Increasing your intake of fruits n vegetables and only indulge in sugar and grains as a rare treat. Cut back on salt intake, as sodium chloride can trigger metabolic acidosis in a dose dependent manner... Avoiding alcohol, soft drinks, caffeine and of course ALL processed foods. Taking 500 mgs of Magnesium in a divided dose can create an alkalinizing affect... Most of my research has shown Potassium Bicarbonate is probably the better option to use pre work out over sodium bicarbonate especially in regards to maintaining muscle mass and skeletal health.

 

[THEIGF-1MAN]

Great post...!!! Good to see someone else who knows whats up with the "establishment" and why they do what they do... Theres more evidence that an acid state is linked to the decrease in muscle mass... But studies show that supplementing patients with sodium bicarbonate before an exhaustive excersise resulted in significantly less acidosis in the blood than those who werent supplemented with SB.

Just so Im clear the first step in making your body more alkaline is not to eliminate or sharply decrease protien intake. You of course need protien to build muscle and prevent the loss of muscle mass known as sarcopenia... Eating slightly less protien is okay, just dont over do it... Besides, the body can only absorb approx 20mgs at a time anyway... Increasing your intake of fruits n vegetables and only indulge in sugar and grains as a rare treat. Cut back on salt intake, as sodium chloride can trigger metabolic acidosis in a dose dependent manner... Avoiding alcohol, soft drinks, caffeine and of course ALL processed foods. Taking 500 mgs of Magnesium in a divided dose can create an alkalinizing affect... Most of my research has shown Potassium Bicarbonate is probably the better option to use pre work out over sodium bicarbonate especially in regards to maintaining muscle mass and skeletal health.

Sodium bicarbonate buffers lactic acid, and has been used by athletes(runners, swimmers, etc) for decades for this purpose. Sodium bicarbonate before training will prevent tying up of the muscles (by buffering lactic acid) and sodium bicarbonate after training will flush out any accumulated lactic acid thereby dramatically enhancing recovery.

Magnesium and calcium are essential for alkalizing the body, when the body is low in calcium you enter into a dangerous acidic state therefore the body will draw calcium out of your bones to try and alkalize your body- hence leading to arthritis and bone diseases.

 

[bucknaked]

Not a bad article but I don't agree with all of it. Everyone is different and trial and error are gonna have to be used, just like any other medication you would receive. However I think the dosages he suggests are quite high to start out with, I think it should be started out low, not high. What doctor do you know, wait, what good doctor do you know that says okay we are gonna start you out on a new medication and I'm gonna give you the high dosage version first. You gotta see how the body reacts to the small dosages first, anything else might just be a waste or potentially being picked up by other IGF-1 receptors you don't want picking them up. I also don't agree with the half life, I felt the effects from the IGF-1 for 3 days after. Used pre or post workout, I agree with a post workout injection but not pre. It's not an energy drink, it's not test, you simply won't get any effects from it and it's more efficient to go post workout so your muscle can just soak it up and it's not messing with natural IGF production.

Hey, Boats... Taking IGF1 post work out is fine so long as its at least three to four hours so as not to interfer with your body's natural MGF thats produced after hypertrophy... It has been proven that taken too soon while your body is still producing MGF it will cancel any proliferation that accures post work... The reason for taking it in micro doses thru out the day is to try n mimic how your body naturally produces it... So it has less chance attaching the access to your bowl walls... When subsituting anything sythetic your body makesnaturally its always better to try and mimic how it produces it as much as possible... I mean, take testosterone for example... At a high level it produces any where between 10-18mgs per day over a 24 hr period... Not all at once, and especially not at some of thevcraz doses I see guys reporting using these days... The ideal way to use any hormone is by keeping it as level as possible... So by pinning it more fequently in smaller doses you can keep your hormone levels more level and reduce the chances of your body attacking what it cant utilize by converting to estrogen. Besides, the food you eat is ten times more anabolic than even Tren, the King! Its not the gear that turns to muscle, its the food...v

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

I hear the recovery time is cut in half like steroids. So you can work the same muscle everyday, this all makes sense to me, can anyone confirm this? Can I work the same muscle everyday without over working it? And I figure that since everything is being shuttled so quickly and more efficiently, taking supplements, and vitamins would be more effective and most useful about 15-30 mins before you take the IGF-1 LR3... right?

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

Damn Buck you seem to really know your stuff! I will definitely look into getting some Potassium Bicarbonate for my pre-workout and post (do you take it 30 mins before and after a workout?). My diet isn't too bad but I think I really don't wanna cut back on my protein! I try not to eat pre-made stuff and processed foods and I try to avoid stuff high in sodium which those things tend to be high in anyways. I think I'm gonna go stock up on veggies, not much on eating fruit though. You're killing me with the protein thing though, I don't feel like my gains are going to be nearly as great on a lower protein diet. What rule of thumb do you follow on the low protein diet though? I do agree the lower doses frequent throughout the day is a safer way than all at once, but it's very inconvenient for me to be shooting multiple times a day. I usually take it when I get home, so about 30 mins after I lift. I will start to take it later but I don't usually get done lifting until like 8:00pm. How many times a day would you pin 60 mcg? I might be able to break it up a little, but what would be best for a Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday lifting schedule at 60mcg? I started my four week cycle today at 60mcg... Thanks for all your input, you're making great points and observations!

Hey, Boats... Taking IGF1 post work out is fine so long as its at least three to four hours so as not to interfer with your body's natural MGF thats produced after hypertrophy... It has been proven that taken too soon while your body is still producing MGF it will cancel any proliferation that accures post work... The reason for taking it in micro doses thru out the day is to try n mimic how your body naturally produces it... So it has less chance attaching the access to your bowl walls... When subsituting anything sythetic your body makesnaturally its always better to try and mimic how it produces it as much as possible... I mean, take testosterone for example... At a high level it produces any where between 10-18mgs per day over a 24 hr period... Not all at once, and especially not at some of thevcraz doses I see guys reporting using these days... The ideal way to use any hormone is by keeping it as level as possible... So by pinning it more fequently in smaller doses you can keep your hormone levels more level and reduce the chances of your body attacking what it cant utilize by converting to estrogen. Besides, the food you eat is ten times more anabolic than even Tren, the King! Its not the gear that turns to muscle, its the food...v

 

[bucknaked]

Nah, I only know what Ive learned from reading real research studies that somebody else wrote... The rest is pretty much common sense gained by age and trial and error... I understand your hesitence about reducing your protien intake... But you'd be suprized how much less you really need... I used to eat no less than 2gs per lb of body weight.... 450g per day and out that only 40-50 was from powder mix
I had a buddy who was a pro back in the day his names is Phil Williams and he explained why that much was nuts... Look up "alternating calories " and "intermitting fasting" diets along with "how to alkeline" your body so you can better understand and customize a diet that is more fitting for your life style... Imo they are truly a must read for those who truly want achieve their fitness goals or just live a healthier life style.... As for dosing goes, I wouldnt use no more than 40mcgs split in two doses... I took it twice a day on train days only which was 6 days a week because I had been off long enough that I could get away with it since I wasnt exceeding my body's recovery ability at that point... Im not into extremely heavy weights anyway... I do hyper-sets and focus on "Time Under Tension" which is really what growth is all about!



QUOTE=BoatsN'Hoes;3228608]Damn Buck you seem to really know your stuff! I will definitely look into getting some Potassium Bicarbonate for my pre-workout and post (do you take it 30 mins before and after a workout?). My diet isn't too bad but I think I really don't wanna cut back on my protein! I try not to eat pre-made stuff and processed foods and I try to avoid stuff high in sodium which those things tend to be high in anyways. I think I'm gonna go stock up on veggies, not much on eating fruit though. You're killing me with the protein thing though, I don't feel like my gains are going to be nearly as great on a lower protein diet. What rule of thumb do you follow on the low protein diet though? I do agree the lower doses frequent throughout the day is a safer way than all at once, but it's very inconvenient for me to be shooting multiple times a day. I usually take it when I get home, so about 30 mins after I lift. I will start to take it later but I don't usually get done lifting until like 8:00pm. How many times a day would you pin 60 mcg? I might be able to break it up a little, but what would be best for a Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday lifting schedule at 60mcg? I started my four week cycle today at 60mcg... Thanks for all your input, you're making great points and observations!
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[BoatsN'Hoes]

Hey Buck, with work and everything pinning at different times is difficult. Do you even think that pinning 2 hours before lifting and then another 30mcg 3-4 hours after I've lifted will even be worth it versus 60 mcg 3-4hrs after lifting? Side note, the IGF is definitely making me hungrier, I'm actually starving when I wake up and I'm hungry most of the day.

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

Okay so since Monday I haven't really gain a single pound... I'm at 60 mcgs, maybe 80 is my sweet spot?

 

[bucknaked]

Yeah, I did it when I woke up and before bed and was gtg... However, I did micro doses on days off...

Hey Buck, with work and everything pinning at different times is difficult. Do you even think that pinning 2 hours before lifting and then another 30mcg 3-4 hours after I've lifted will even be worth it versus 60 mcg 3-4hrs after lifting? Side note, the IGF is definitely making me hungrier, I'm actually starving when I wake up and I'm hungry most of the day.

 

[bucknaked]

Okay so since Monday I haven't really gain a single pound... I'm at 60 mcgs, maybe 80 is my sweet spot?

Honestly, everybody is gonna have varied results and react differently to dosages I would think... Quality of the IGF will make a huge difference so its hard to really set a standard when the product it self doesnt have one to build a base line around. I'd suggest finding a company that has real recombiant grade igf and research it enough to know how it works at whatever dose your research and convidence gives you... Just be smart and do real research. Forums arent real research tho. There are clinical studies available on the line. lol

And never forget FOOD is 10x more anabolic than IGF and GEARS

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

Yeah I know and I agree. But I do believe that forums are real research, it's real world accounts and that counts for something. It's somewhat scientific, I believe it's good to look everywhere, forums, clinical studies and scientific papers. I'm going to move back to 80mcg from 60mcg because this week was a stand still. Hey, maybe my body needs more time to accumulate the IGF-1 in my system, although at this point in my 1st 80mcg cycle I was up roughly 4 lbs by this time. I'm using the same IGF-1 LR3 that I got great results from (ElitePeptides) my first time around. Maybe this was not such a pure batch? Or possibly my body needs more. Regardless I'm gonna pin another 30 mcg in a few hours ( I pin at roughly 6pm and then 10/11pm after I have already lifted) then start 80mcg on Monday for another 3 weeks.

Honestly, everybody is gonna have varied results and react differently to dosages I would think... Quality of the IGF will make a huge difference so its hard to really set a standard when the product it self doesnt have one to build a base line around. I'd suggest finding a company that has real recombiant grade igf and research it enough to know how it works at whatever dose your research and convidence gives you... Just be smart and do real research. Forums arent real research tho. There are clinical studies available on the line. lol

And never forget FOOD is 10x more anabolic than IGF and GEARS

 

[bucknaked]

Yeah I know and I agree. But I do believe that forums are real research, it's real world accounts and that counts for something. It's somewhat scientific, I believe it's good to look everywhere, forums, clinical studies and scientific papers. I'm going to move back to 80mcg from 60mcg because this week was a stand still. Hey, maybe my body needs more time to accumulate the IGF-1 in my system, although at this point in my 1st 80mcg cycle I was up roughly 4 lbs by this time. I'm using the same IGF-1 LR3 that I got great results from (ElitePeptides) my first time around. Maybe this was not such a pure batch? Or possibly my body needs more. Regardless I'm gonna pin another 30 mcg in a few hours ( I pin at roughly 6pm and then 10/11pm after I have already lifted) then start 80mcg on Monday for another 3 weeks.

I agree... They are a type of research and I give them a lot of credit, however, what I meant by "real research" is learning the compound of topic thuroghly in depth via clinical studies and pharmacology and not just forums so you're not relying soley upon bro science before considering researching it your self and use the forums for affirmation and or adjustments to diet or dosage... As for the lack of gains youre not experiencing, its hard to say... It could be that its not as good as batch as the first one you ran, but it could also be your body is ready to be shocked by changing up your workout... Had you been off a while prior to running your first round?

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

Oh you mean chemistry research, something more solid than observational science lol gotcha. Went 3 weeks on and 3 weeks off, up-ed my dose to 80mcg, lost a couple pounds but I feel strong as hell! I have a new 1ml vial so lets see how this goes...

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

So this week has been at 80mcg and I haven't gained any weight... actually lost 2lbs since Monday. Still up 9-10lbs from the beginning of my first cycle. Gonna try to eat more, might help. Not feeling the pump that I had like my first cycle, not gaining the weight like I did. Just don't feel it! The only thing I noticed was an increase in strength on my bench this Monday (start of my 2nd week). Ordered some potassium bicarbonate btw.

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

Well 11 days into my 2nd cycle and I'm about the same weight that I was when I began. Not sure what's really going on here either. Although I have to say that I believe you get more localized growth even though the IGF-1 LR3 is systematic. I pin my glutes and rotate them every other day and my legs have grown about 1.5inches in circumference since my first cycle. My most noticeable gains have been my legs for size gains, my arms got a little bigger and my chest stayed the same.

 

[Paranoid Fitness]

Getting ready to research CEM Products' IGF-1 LR3 and Ec (MGF) along with Novolog.
I know their LR3 is some of the best on the market. I've researched it before.

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[Octupi]

So seeing this makes me ask a few questions, as I've been reading a lot on IGF1-LR3

1. You guys mention Bac Water, but that makes the storage time to short doesn't it if you're only injecting every 2-3 days a 40mcg each time.
2. If you use AA to reconstitute it has an indefinite shelf life but you should back load your syringe w/ BW at 4x the iu's you're injecting to cause less damage at the injection site.
3. the growth rate is slow to start w/ IGF-LR3 because first Hyperplasia has to occur and then growth of the new cells, so usually about 2-3 weeks in you'll see the effects, but you'll continue to grow until those cells are mature...(not really a question)
4. Some localized effect can be had by inj bi-laterally but IGF1-LR3 has a longer half life so shooting subq is equally effective...not to mention easier.

Am I all washed up or is everything I've read bunk? I've been thinking of running some IGF1-LR3 at the end of my PCT from the cycle I'm almost done with or starting it before PCT to pick up some extra gains from what I'm running.

Thanks.

 

[BoatsN'Hoes]

Hey Buck, I gotta pound of Potassium Bicarbonate, which should last me a long time! Do I just take the 500mg like any other supplement or is it best pre-workout?

 

[bucknaked]

Hey Buck, I gotta pound of Potassium Bicarbonate, which should last me a long time! Do I just take the 500mg like any other supplement or is it best pre-workout?

45 minutes before and with your p/w meal... Which should be no earlier than 20 mins post workout... Eating sooner apparently can affect your GH impulse that spikes during hypertrophy....