Guys, how can I carve out my lower pec line?

[SVB99]

Just like the title says, I need to carve out the lower pec line. What I mean by that is, it's the point on your pecs that's close to your shoulders and runs along to the center(hope that wasn't confusing). I do all the basic lifts such as incline, declines, and of course flat bench presses. Should I try doing dips?
Thanks,
Sam

 

[gr81]

WTF?! you can't carve out pieces of your physique like a piece of clay man. You can build muscle and then after that lose the fat you have on you and see muscle definition. Yolu can't isolate the lower pec line or "carve it out" as you say. What is that supposed to mean?

 

[firestorm]

No need to get so abusive there GR81 !! He simply asked a question which is the reason many people come here. They don't know and come here to learn not be made to feel stupid.

 

[gr81]

I am not trying to be abusive, sorry if that is how it sounded. I REALLY AM asking him what he means, I don't understand what it is he wants to accomplish. It is a confusing post, is it not? It sounds like he wants to see more definition in his chest, which would mean he must diet down b/c you can't spot reduce fat in a certain area (unless you get ahold of some PGF2). I am not trying to start trouble here though so calm down.

 

[firestorm]

SVB to answer your question CORRECTLY, I hear what you and that is a very good question and a question asked quite frequently. Many people ask similar questions. Here is the deal in a nutshell and as simple as I can explain it. Performing Inclines or declines will place a greater emphasis of resistance to the Upper or lower chest because of the angle of the press but it will not change the development of the chest as much as you think it would. Regardless of what angle you choose you are stimulating the Entire chest area and to see a greater development in the lower chest or upper chest etc will come with overall chest development. As the chest grows over a period of time, the "entire" chest will do so and then you will begin to see a noticable difference in those "so called under developed areas".
In the mean time to help you stimulate the entire chest area to it's fullest ability take a look at GOPROS chest workout routine at the top of the "TRAINING" BOARD.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by gr81
I am not trying to be abusive, sorry if that is how it sounded. I REALLY AM asking him what he means, I don't understand what it is he wants to accomplish. It is a confusing post, is it not? It sounds like he wants to see more definition in his chest, which would mean he must diet down b/c you can't spot reduce fat in a certain area (unless you get ahold of some PGF2). I am not trying to start trouble here though so calm down.

Well starting out a post with "WTF" sure as hell sounds exactly how I took it.

 

[firestorm]

And no it isn't confusing at all. What he is looking for is lower pec development. I know exactly what he is saying.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by firestorm
And no it isn't confusing at all. What he is looking for is lower pec development. I know exactly what he is saying.

look at the lower/outer chest area. This is what he is looking for which will only occur with overall size gains.

 

[gr81]

I started my post with WTF b/c you can't carve out a piece of a muscle. That makes it sound like he is lookin for definition. It is a bullshit question and I don't giver a fuck how you took it. You can't just develop your lower pec by it self, you develop your chest, not a corner of it. When he puts time under his belt, then his whole chest will grow, it takes time for complete development of a muscle. By the way smart ass, he isn't even talking about his lower chest, he says the part of his chest that connects to his shoulder and runs along the center. I don't need your pictures to illustrate things to me. I know how to develop a chest, I am not the one asking the question. Knock off the forum police act and watch who you copping an attitude with. I was just asking him to clarify what the fuck he was saying.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by gr81
I started my post with WTF b/c you can't carve out a piece of a muscle. That makes it sound like he is lookin for definition. It is a bullshit question and I don't giver a fuck how you took it. You can't just develop your lower pec by it self, you develop your chest, not a corner of it. When he puts time under his belt, then his whole chest will grow, it takes time for complete development of a muscle. By the way smart ass, he isn't even talking about his lower chest, he says the part of his chest that connects to his shoulder and runs along the center. I don't need your pictures to illustrate things to me. I know how to develop a chest, I am not the one asking the question. Knock off the forum police act and watch who you copping an attitude with. I was just asking him to clarify what the fuck he was saying.

Read it again little man I quote " lower pec line." Do you see the word "lower"????
And secondly,, you basically just rewrote what I just said about not being able to develop just the lower pec or any other region for that matter.

Your attitude here sucks and I have seen where Prince has already told you to lighten here. And apparently you do need pics to show you where the lower pec area is as HE STATED IN THE ORIGINAL POST.
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"Knock off the forum police act and watch who you copping an attitude with"

You have to be kidding with this statement right? Watch who I'm copping an attitude with??? Listen to the kid with the cyber muscles. Your a joke dude.
Grow up and buy a better attitude and personality. I also noticed your a bit of a mental midget because you can't speak without dropping the F bombs. What a dick

 

[gr81]

first of all, I posted that at the same time you did, so it was an accident that I said the same thing. And the way he explains the pec, he says, and I quote, "runs close to the shoulders and running down the center". How is that the lower pec? This guy obviously know nothing about weight training to ask a question like this, and you are a piece of shit for trying to defend his retarted ass. That's right my attitude is shitty mother fucka. It wasn't shitty until you decided you had to play daddy and jump down my throat instead of just answering his question. I calmly apologized after my first post for sounding rude and said that I was confused as to what he meant and that I wasn't trying to start something. Lets not forget who started this beef, YOU. You interpreted my post to mean something that I didn't mean, then you tried to call me on it. hell yeah my attitude is shitty. you don't even know me and you are trying to trip on what joke I am, what is the matter with you? I am no mental midget, I am just pissed off from listening to your bullshit. Fuck you and all your cyber muscle talk, I don't need to prove shit to you. Maybe the pussies over there in Jersey let you talk like that to them but out here in the west coast that shit don't fly. You gotta problem bitch then let it be known. I am an asshole, in fact I wear it like a badge, but don't forget that you are the one trying to kick up this dust. How old are you anyway, I notice that it says SENIOR member. perhaps you ahve become a bit cenile in your old age, what do you think?

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by gr81
first of all, I posted that at the same time you did, so it was an accident that I said the same thing.

OK sorry for jumping on you for that one. I wouldn't have know that. My apologies.
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And the way he explains the pec, he says, and I quote, "runs close to the shoulders and running down the center". How is that the lower pec?

Hummm lets just look at the Title of this thread and the VERY 1ST LINE. Better yet I'll copy and paste it for you:
"Guys, how can I carve out my LOWER pec line?
Just like the title says, I need to carve out the LOWER pec line"
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This guy obviously know nothing about weight training to ask a question like this, and you are a piece of shit for trying to defend his retarted ass.

Like I said earlier, this is a place people come to Learn. He doesn't know and never claimed to be a expert on the subject. The only stupid question is the question not asked. But you are correct he doesn't know and that is why he is here. And if defending a kid trying to learn makes me a stupid ass then that I am.
We all can't be "experts" like you. hahaha
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That's right my attitude is shitty mother fucka.

Oh I take it you live in a ghetto by your intellectual verbal skills and slang terminologies? Is this ghetto gang talk supposed to intimidate me? Your a joke.
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It wasn't shitty until you decided you had to play daddy and jump down my throat instead of just answering his question.

Well if I must play daddy to kids like you that don't know how to respond to someone in a nice matter then that is what I'll do. Like I said you don't come in here and make people feel stupid for asking a question and starting it off with an arrogant "WTF" as if your some kind of ego driven asshole!!!!
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I calmly apologized after my first post for sounding rude and said that I was confused as to what he meant and that I wasn't trying to start something.

Yep you did and I didn't attack you for that. I suggest you reread ALL the posts that followed that one.

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Lets not forget who started this beef, YOU. You interpreted my post to mean something that I didn't mean, then you tried to call me on it.

Nope,, you started the beef. 1st with your initial post and then again further down with this as if I should fear you or be intimidated by you:
"Knock off the forum police act and watch who you copping an attitude with. I was just asking him to clarify what the fuck he was saying."
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hell yeah my attitude is shitty. you don't even know me and you are trying to trip on what joke I am, what is the matter with you?

Honestly and this isn't an attack but from the posts I've read from you here and elsewhere, I don't consider you a joke at all. I consider you an egotistical, cocky, know it all as well as an asshole.
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I am no mental midget,

You talk like one. You can't even post without using the word fuck. That is a clear sign that you lack communicational skills as well as limited knowledge in vocabulary.
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I am just pissed off from listening to your bullshit. Fuck you and all your cyber muscle talk, I don't need to prove shit to you.

Oh there is that F word again, more attitude. and he thew in the words Bullshit and shit!!! Outstanding. You're really showing how smart you are and a great example of how you are not a mental midget!!!
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Maybe the pussies over there in Jersey let you talk like that to them but out here in the west coast that shit don't fly. You gotta problem bitch then let it be known.

(pussies? Shit? oh there ya go !!!) Oh now your saying nobody in the west coast has balls enough to disagree with the all and powerful GR81??? hahahaha
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I am an asshole

I agree.
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How old are you anyway, I notice that it says SENIOR member. perhaps you ahve become a bit cenile in your old age, what do you think?

hahaha Senior member is IM.com status and based on age. There are Senior members here as young as 17.
I am 40 to answer your question.
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You know I would sure love for you to post a pic of yourself in the members pic section. I picture you around 15-17years old about 120 pounds.

 

[firestorm]

Assuming the next post from the self proclaimed GreatONe(hahaha) is his threatening to "buss a cap in ma azz".

Well little man,, I'm outta here for today. It's been a pleasure. Oh and please tell me that isn't you in the pic you have there holding the ax!!! Because if it is, you truely have big balls giving workout advise!!

 

[Dr. Pain]

Be informative and civil, or this gets closed!

 

[Fit Freak]

Guys relax...to answer the question you just need to keep training the chest hard....development will come over time. Utilize a variety of exercises (presses, dips, flyes, cables, etc.) as well as different angles (incline, flat, decline, etc.) and before you know it your pec development will be greatly improved.

Next come diet....once you have the development you just need to lower your bodyfat % by changing your eating hbits...soon before you know it you'll have an awesome lower pec line.

See guys...giving an answer doesn't have to be sooo nasty......my answer......TRAIN HARD & LOSE BF!

 

[Mudge]

You'd have to lose bodyfat and any excessive amount of water retention. Subcutaneous fat hangs around below the skin, blocking definition everywhere, so there is nothing magical about the pec or any other bodypart really, they all need the same conditions to show some definition. One thing that is true though, not everyone has fat distributed in the same percentages/places.

 

[bludevil]

The gr81 is nothing but a complete and total moron.

Firestorm, I agree, he's probably some pimple faced 15 year old whacking off at the keyboard who reads Flex magazine to get his workouts. LOL he is such a joke

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by gr81
You can build muscle and then after that lose the fat you have on you and see muscle definition. Yolu can't isolate the lower pec line or "carve it out" as you say.

I do not want to take any sides here or get in the middle of this flame war...

but gr81's original answer, which I quoted above, was correct.

 

[Fit Freak]

 

[SVB99]

Originally posted by gr81
I am not trying to be abusive, sorry if that is how it sounded. I REALLY AM asking him what he means, I don't understand what it is he wants to accomplish. It is a confusing post, is it not? It sounds like he wants to see more definition in his chest, which would mean he must diet down b/c you can't spot reduce fat in a certain area (unless you get ahold of some PGF2). I am not trying to start trouble here though so calm down.

Ok "GR81," if you don't have anything constructive to say about my topic, then please don't waste my time with your BS. The question seems pretty simple and straight forward to someone
who actually works out. If you actually do, then use your common sense to determine what it means. If you can't, then I'd be more than happy to PM you and discuss this with you personally. Thanks for your colorful post anyway.

 

[SVB99]

Firestorm, thanks for a informative and classy answer. I also want to thank you for explaining what I meant to some ignorant kid. All I have to say is that you made your point and don't waste your time with this topic anymore.
Also, I don't have very much body fat. I'm about 5'10 155lbs so I can't say that I'm anything but lean. I don't do incline or dips often which may contribute to it. Overall, I have good upper and middle pec development. It's just my lower pec line that's not developing as easily.
Thanks for the help,
Sam

 

[Mudge]

I would add in declines or dips then, dips are GREAT. If you can do alot of them and dont have access to a weight holder, you can hold a dumbell with your feet, or use them as a finisher only.

If you can't get the dips going hit up the decline bench.

 

[Arnold]

oh jeez...back to this pec isolation thing again...

 

[DaMayor]

I agree.......

(This guy makes me look like the Pope! )

 

[gr81]

Originally posted by SVB99
Firestorm, thanks for a informative and classy answer. I also want to thank you for explaining what I meant to some ignorant kid. All I have to say is that you made your point and don't waste your time with this topic anymore.
Also, I don't have very much body fat. I'm about 5'10 155lbs so

How dare you try and call me an ignorant kid. You are 150 lbs and you are trying to attack me. Tell me mr science, technically how one would biologically go about "carving out his lower pec". Please, since I am just an ignorant kid and you are the intelligent accomlpished Bodybuilder, I am dying to hear this. Dude you have 60 more pounds to go before you can try and attack me. You are just a beginner who obviously doesn't know the first thing about the chemistry of the body and its functions. That question demonstrates to me that you don't even know that losing fat and gaining muscle are two different things and are confused as two which you need to do. I am 21 years old, 5'8" 215 11%BF naturally for all you idoits thinkin I am some teen, and I have taken the time to research what I want to learn b/c I have A THIRST FOR KNOWLEDGE, I didn't just hop on a forum and ask stupid questions in hopes that people will do my research for me. Hell you can even PM me and test my knowledge. Take your time and pay your dues, put training time and research time under your belt before you try and speak on me junior. You ain't even on my level, I'ma let my 16 yr old brother handle you, hell he even outweighs you too, HA. He is more educated than you as well.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Prince
I do not want to take any sides here or get in the middle of this flame war...

but gr81's original answer, which I quoted above, was correct.

Prince, Noboby and that is me said that statement was incorrect. It was his original post that pissed me off. There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to be so belittling when responding to a persons question. It was uncalled for. Now if you condone this type of response to a newbie on your board then I don't belong here. Let me know as soon as possible please!!!!
Fire

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
Be informative and civil, or this gets closed!

I was civil. how many times in my posts did you see me call him a "pussy" or a "mother fucka" or use that type of language at him??? Let me call you one of those names and see how fast I get banned!!! Give me a break. You ALL need to go back and see who started this Crap.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by bludevil
The gr81 is nothing but a complete and total moron.

Firestorm, I agree, he's probably some pimple faced 15 year old whacking off at the keyboard who reads Flex magazine to get his workouts. LOL he is such a joke

Blue I'm glad at least ONE person here read all the posts and understood where I was coming from. Since I've been here I've only had a confrontration with 2 people and neither one of them were started by me. We all remember "Frustish" or whatever his name was.
I appreciate your support my friend. Glad to see someone here has sense.

 

[firestorm]

Originally posted by SVB99
Firestorm, thanks for a informative and classy answer. I also want to thank you for explaining what I meant to some ignorant kid. All I have to say is that you made your point and don't waste your time with this topic anymore.
Also, I don't have very much body fat. I'm about 5'10 155lbs so I can't say that I'm anything but lean. I don't do incline or dips often which may contribute to it. Overall, I have good upper and middle pec development. It's just my lower pec line that's not developing as easily.
Thanks for the help,
Sam

I'd also like to thank you too SVB for your support and ability to read.
To quickly repeat myslef, I would very much like to see you try GOPROS chest workout. It is fantastic and a challenge. It will be sure to put size on for you. Seeing your stats above I think it is safe to say that you may require more calories in your diet in the form of Protein. To put on size you need to alter your diet somewhat. Feed those muscles bro and they will grow!!! Thank you once again.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by firestorm
Prince, Noboby and that is me said that statement was incorrect. It was his original post that pissed me off. There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to be so belittling when responding to a persons question. It was uncalled for. Now if you condone this type of response to a newbie on your board then I don't belong here. Let me know as soon as possible please!!!!
Fire

I agree, he was a bit harsh and it was uncalled for.