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keto, whats that? how does it prevent recepto downgrade? If it prevents receptor downgrade, would this mean that b/f gain upon discontinuing clen usage is minimised? thanks.

no problem - i have used GHB myself many times. i agree wih the article that perhaps the best use this drug has for bodybuilders aside from the growth hormone release and physiological effects is as a substitute for alcohol in a social setting. we all know how bad alcohol is in terms of...

GHB Gamma-Hydroxybutyrate Background During the 80's, Gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB), which was readily available over-the-counter in nutrition stores, enjoyed widespread popularity among bodybuilders for its ability to stimulate growth hormone release (as well as its euphoric properties)...

if i remember rightly, a man with a test output in the average/high range puts out about 70mg of test a week. so in theory, especially if you are in the average/low range, 200mg every 2 weeks should allow you to see slow steady gains if you use it for a good while (at least 3 months to notice...

i was wondering about that actually cornfed, i dont suppose it'd do any harm, but i found that the effects semmed to diminish slightly after a couple of months, because it is new and not many people us it as gopro pointed out there is no research on how long to use it for optimal results.

gopro - yeah, i dont think the oral form has the same ingredients, never tryed it, ive heard its just same old suppliment hype, doesnt work as well i dont think.

"*cough*placebo*cough* No different than shooting b12 for fatloss." heptaminol and AMP are the main active ingredients - it works for me. have you ever tryed it as part of post cycle recovery?

yes, i do mean the injectable form - the vet stuff. its some great stuff if you ask me. lowered my body fat and gave me an immiediate strength increase which was extra impressive as i used it just as i came off a course of steroids and i normally experience a dip in strength. for anyone out...

kynoselen always works well for me. alongside clomid, creatine and glutamine.

FAKE!!!, its test. i had some exactly the same and it was giving me itchy tits. primo doesnt aromatise so i had it tested by a friend of mine who confirmed it to be test. no wonder i was getting so bloody big off the stuff. p.s do you find that the glass sometimes shatters when you pop the top...

im with fit freak, use it towards the end of your cycle to shed any fat gain caused by your bulking cycle and to help you keep your muscle gains.

thanks mate.

Thanks guys, much appriciated, some good info. Twin peaks, can you remember the name of that thread and which forum its in as the link just seems to take me to the Avant Labs front page. Thanks. BTW ive never seen that site before. It will be very helpfull to me, although it makes me feel like...

"If you want to BUILD meat you need protein to make it, not much rocket science in that statement." i know that as well as you do mudge, but i dont think that will be enough evidence to fill a 20 minute presentation. What im looking for is studies and articles on strength athletes protien...

can you rember Dr Lemons first name or initial, its a mission trying to find him on pub med. thanks.

thanks chicken i'll have a look at Dr Lemons work. nice one.

extra protien compared to the rda, yes, or consuming extra protien compared to just consuming extra calories.

"Strength and wieght trainers do not need to consume extra protien to achieve good results". A silly statement right? Apparently not. I am in my second year of a degree in exersise science and the above statement is the one i have been given to discuss for a presentation which i have to give...

nolitil is good stuff, better than escilline so im told although ive never tryed the later, nolitil is used by surgeons to inflame and expand tissue around a particular spot that they are going to work on, its good to use it on arms delts traps calfs ect but nowhere bigger like chest or lats...

"OR...it could have been motor oil disguised as deca. lol" i heard of someone injecting motor oil instead of synthol in an attempt to pump his arms up before a comp as he had used all his synthol up. he died shortly afterwards.