12 week cyp cycle help...

[Steveo2580]

I'm 33 and currently on doctor orders trt. Been on it now for somewhere around a month and a half. I currently am pinning .5cc test cyp 200mg/ml. As many others have, I've disided I want to up that a bit.. To, oh say, 500 plus. This is my first cycle and I've been training for about 3 years now on and off. I'm a lean 160 pounder at 5'9, probably 7% body fat. I'm not scrawny I just train hard at other things so I don't see much body fat. Anyway so I'm ordering some cyp 250mg/ml and some sust 250. As I said, this is my first cycle and I'm persistent about and will start when I receive my stuff. Here's the kicker. I thinks low T is a result of over doing ibuprofen when I was training at one point, and when the 12 weeks are up I want to restart my system in hopes that's my boys will be fine again. If not, ill have plenty to kick off again. So I'm trying to plan this thing out and was looking at:
12 weeks .5cc cyp + .5cc sust every 3 days.
aromisen- here's where I'm struggling, not sure when to start it or just wait for sides.
and nolvadex 2 weeks after 40/40/20/20.
Is the mixing a bad idea or am I ok and good to go? Thanks in advance guys.

 

[ROID]

I thought most people went on trt for life ?

Why are you doing pct ?

You doc prescribed 100mg/wk ?

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

im confused as well, if your on TRT why bother with a PCT?

Secondly, Why are you running sust with your cyp? Why not just buy more cyp and increase the dose to 500-750 per week and run a test only cycle with maybe an oral kicker?

Also aromasin should be ran from day 1 not when you start to experience sides.

If you are going to pct forget the nolva, run clomid at 100/75/75/50 with aromasin at 25mg daily.

 

[Steveo2580]

I'm going to run a pct to try to restart my balls and lay off test all together. Well until I disuse to run another. Ill have plenty of both I just like the idea of the shorter acting eaters in the sust but the longer acting cyp. I've been reading and some say its cool and others say they wouldn't. Also, is its horrible idea to not run the arkmasin unless its a have too?

 

[Steveo2580]

Yeah but I do 1 cc which it's 200mg/ml

 

[Steveo2580]

So old school, you recommend cyp over the sust250? Ok how's this??
Week 1-12 500mg's to 750mg's test cyp.
Week 4-14 500iu hcg
week 14-18 40/40/20/20 nolvadex

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

So old school, you recommend cyp over the sust250? Ok how's this??
Week 1-12 500mg's to 750mg's test cyp.
Week 4-14 500iu hcg
week 14-18 40/40/20/20 nolvadex

Yeah I would run it like this

1-12 750mg Test C
1-4 Oral Kicker (dbol or PH/Designer) - optional
1-PCT Aromasin 12.5mg-25mg/ed


PCT week 14
CLOMID not nolva 100/75/75/50/50
Aromasin - 25/25/25/25/12.5

But why do you want to run PCT if your on TRT, just stay on TRT??

 

[Steveo2580]

I don't really want to cruise. I would like to kick my boys back in. And get away from trt.. Is clomid vs nolvadex an individual choice? I ask because I hear alot of people swinging both directions.

 

[ROID]

What were your lab results ?

 

[Steveo2580]

243.. Guys have said that running a 12 weeker on top of the the 7 I've been on trt won't be good for restart. Question is, what if I did an 8? Would that be ok??

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

243.. Guys have said that running a 12 weeker on top of the the 7 I've been on trt won't be good for restart. Question is, what if I did an 8? Would that be ok??

this is thread is becoming more increasingly difficult to help you.

why get on trt only to get off? it's not nessasarily cruising if a doc is prescribing you a trt dose..

your answer to what is your blood work is 243. 243 what??

if that is your natty test levels without trt you need to stay on trt. Clomid is much superior at restarting your hpta than Nolva many studies have proven this. Aromasin is a must or any ai for that matter. Aromasin particularly is great because instead of just blocking the build up of estrogen, it binds to the enzyme destroying it before it can even convert, eliminating estrogen rebound, and the emotional sides associated with Clomid on pct, and while on cycle, will keep your water weight at a minimum.

everything about what your saying makes no sense to me. I'm not sure If your no explaining it right, or if I'm asleep.

your friend giving you advice is a nut, and should stop gear all together.

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[ROID]

You are gonna be on trt for life my friend.

Up the dose for 10 or 12 weeks to 500mg if you want then back to trt dose.

Start your AI.

If it were me I would just stick to the trt dose for a while. You are only 160lbs. You should be able to grow quite a bit just from that.


Have you not gained anything in the 6 weeks since you've started trt ?

 

[Steveo2580]

Sorry if I'm being confusing. Yes my score was a 243 before I started. Doc said the low T could be from excessive use of ibuprofen. I want to attempt a restart, in hopes my boys will work just fine, since I no longer take the pain pills. But... I would like to try a cycle before doing so..

A guy on another thread, said that adding a 12 week blast to the 7 weeks that I have been on trt would be no good for trying to restart. So what about 8 weeks and then a restart? I just wanna see if my nuts will do their job. If not, ill go back on trt.

 

[keith1569]

I have never heard of low t from advil but my friend has been treating a number of people from opiate induced low testosterone.

 

[Steveo2580]

Not an opioid kinda guy. Haha. So I'd aromasin a "gotta run" during cycle? Seems like this is a more recent (within the past few years) topic. I used to research alot of cycling and can't remember ever really seeing it mentioned but my memory isn't always the best.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

Sorry if I'm being confusing. Yes my score was a 243 before I started. Doc said the low T could be from excessive use of ibuprofen. I want to attempt a restart, in hopes my boys will work just fine, since I no longer take the pain pills. But... I would like to try a cycle before doing so..

A guy on another thread, said that adding a 12 week blast to the 7 weeks that I have been on trt would be no good for trying to restart. So what about 8 weeks and then a restart? I just wanna see if my nuts will do their job. If not, ill go back on trt.

You have only been on TRT for 7 weeks, and at a trt dose, adding an additional 12 weeks, for a blast, wont really differentiate the recovery time from the 7 weeks you have already been on. 8 more weeks at a blast level I guess you could do since the ester should be in full swing already, but I would at least go 10 more weeks at a blast level of 500mg then go ahead an try and PCT, since your so adamant on that scenario. Your nuts will be fine, a little HCG/clomid/aromasin will make them nice and plump... lol

Not an opioid kinda guy. Haha. So I'd aromasin a "gotta run" during cycle? Seems like this is a more recent (within the past few years) topic. I used to research alot of cycling and can't remember ever really seeing it mentioned but my memory isn't always the best.

I too have never heard of Ibuprofen causing low T, but hell what do I know right? In the past Nolva was the go to for an AI but in reality it is not an AI at all, research has shown taking nolva while on cycle will actually hinder gains, as it is not an AI, I cant remember the actual scientific details at this moment. But Aromasin and adex in recent years has been the go to for keeping e2 in check, and blood work time and time again has proved the science behind it. Not just "bro science"

Nolva is best used on a case by case basis, for example if you feel a small lump, or experience a gyno flareup due to not being able to control e2, 20mg nolva per day for 5-7 days should resolve the issue.

You have gotten some good advice in this thread, now its up to you to make an educated decision. Either way, members of this board will continue to help you with your questions.

 

[Steveo2580]

So clomid not nolva for pct?

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

So clomid not nolva for pct?

Yes, to really ensure a nice recovery run it

100/75/75/50/50 with aromasin at 25/25//25/15/15

^^ that pct is a bit over kill for your cycle, but you seem pretty intent on getting your hpta recovered.

 

[Steveo2580]

Thanks old school. I really appreciate you looken out man. All you guys for that matter.

 

[Steveo2580]

What if added test prop in the beginning. Could I do 8 weeks then?

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

What if added test prop in the beginning. Could I do 8 weeks then?

There is no point in adding prop... If you have been on a trt dose for 7 weeks the ester is already in full swing, and upping the dose wont take long to take effect

you can however continue with your trt, and use prop for your blast but you will be injecting eod or ed.

I would stop trying to over complicate things, and just up your Cyp dose to 500 and stay there for 10 weels.

 

[Steveo2580]

Ok will do.

 

[Steveo2580]

Got my 50ml jugs. Thanks OP!!! Here we go!!!!!!!!

 

[jay_steel]

i dont understand the reason to run gear and not trt? I know people want to get their levels back ect bla bla bla, but why not just stay natural because i can promise you with a solid diet, legit trainer and hardwork you will probably get the same gains in the long run. Most people i talk to that run gear have zero concept of diet and food prep. Its all most like they just pin it to pin it. I would take a step back and pct first with HCG and Nolva and stop all test. See if you can get your levels back up before you surpress them even more.

Then stop reading forums about bro science with sust, cyp and opinionated things and actually go get some ebooks from this site and educate your self. To many guys on the forums will tell you two things run test tren and var because thats all they know. Learn what each drug does what each drug needs with it and ect and how it works with your body. Not saying this forum is trash because there is good info in this thread but from the info that you posted to run sust and cyp that is just stupid and sust also contains decaonate or how ever you spell it which is a slower test so its not all just fast test. I get the worst sides from sust period because its difficult to keep my BL stable.

First thing i would do is recover, look into a great trainer, spend the cash on a trainer instead of gear. Take SD for instance he spent cash with Shelby Starnes and got better gains from shelby then he would have by him self and is not only got trained by SS but he got educated.

 

[Steveo2580]

I can respect that and don't think I haven't thought about or still do for that matter.