16 week cycle coming to a close and i dont wanna stop :(

[Standard Donkey]

anyways, ill let someone else break it to trojan that the human body doesnt build up a tolerance to AAS lol.. he clearly doesnt want to hear it from me.



Something that i felt should be touched on... Op ran Orals for 16 weeks straight, Op... anavar is WAY more brutal than people think it is when it comes to your lipids, might be because it's a dht derivative and doesnt convert to E (dont quote me on that).. i HIGHLY recommend that you cease and desist all AAS except for a cruise dose of test if you are determined to stay on

 

[hypo_glycemic]

OP, the orals are an issue. SD-- as much as he "pokes sticks" he's right! And this kid is dead on in this thread ?



Wait did I just say SD was right ? Lol

 

[TrojanMan60563]

i called you out on your pseudoscience, you demanded literature which i provided.. you then wanted me to simplify the literature because you couldnt understand it.. so i found parts which supported my view in the fewest and smallest words possible to facilitate your comprehension.

just because you can't understand what someone is saying, doesnt mean they arent explaining it well.

someone else take over this guy is annoying me lol

You never gave a point of view, all you did was flame mine. I dont care how smart you think you are, but nothing in that quote from the artical had shit to do with building up any tolerance to testosterone.

 

[Standard Donkey]

You never gave a point of view, all you did was flame mine. I dont care how smart you think you are, but nothing in that quote from the artical had shit to do with building up any tolerance to testosterone.

my flaming your point of view would suggest (at least to most people) that i maintain a point of view that opposes yours..

taking 500mg of test E a week will only produce so many results because you are only taking so much of the drug, and it only possesses so much power (not because your body develops a tolerance to one of its primary hormones................)

.. if you want more results, you need to take more of it.. your gains will diminish if you dont up the dose because you are approaching the maximum potential for gains that 500mg of test E a week will give you.


i hope that makes sense.. i tried to use really small words

 

[MattPorter]

5,6 and 203 is actually a pretty damn big person.....still not justified in irresponsibly using methyls for 12-16 weeks....

-Matt

 

[TrojanMan60563]

my flaming your point of view would suggest (at least to most people) that i maintain a point of view that opposes yours..

taking 500mg of test E a week will only produce so many results because you are only taking so much of the drug, and it only possesses so much power (not because your body develops a tolerance to one of its primary hormones................)

.. if you want more results, you need to take more of it.. your gains will diminish if you dont up the dose because you are approaching the maximum potential for gains that 500mg of test E a week will give you.


i hope that makes sense.. i tried to use really small words

Thanks for the small words my simple mind would understand. I can't see a given dose being the limiting factor to growing or having a response to AAS. What you say seems logical at first. However if gains are dose dependant then why not run 5g a week until your body can't gain from it? I can't give a scientific explanation as to why, but I believe taking breaks from AAS allows for a better response when you start back up. If that better response is not due to a tolerance issue then something else about taking a break allows your body to respond better when you start using again.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Thanks for the small words my simple mind would understand. I can't see a given dose being the limiting factor to growing or having a response to AAS.

ok well.. it is (assuming all other things being equal)

What you say seems logical at first. However if gains are dose dependant then why not run 5g a week until your body can't gain from it?

it would be extremely unhealthy to run that much for an extended period of time (long enough to no longer see gains from it)

I can't give a scientific explanation as to why, but I believe taking breaks from AAS allows for a better response when you start back up. If that better response is not due to a tolerance issue then something else about taking a break allows your body to respond better when you start using again.

it's because taking a break makes you lose some/a lot of your gains so when you go back on you have much more to gain than if you just cruised between blasts and didnt lose any mass.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

We all know taking more brings on faster bigger gains. Nobody really stays on long enough to find the potential of a given dose of anything with the exception of a professional bb'er. This is like beating a dead horse because we don?t see eye to eye on this. I am going to do some research into it and talk to a friend that does know all the science behind this and if he doesn't have the answer he will know where to find it. If I can find something supporting my opinion I'll share.

 

[Standard Donkey]

We all know taking more brings on faster bigger gains. Nobody really stays on long enough to find the potential of a given dose of anything with the exception of a professional bb'er. This is like beating a dead horse because we don?t see eye to eye on this. I am going to do some research into it and talk to a friend that does know all the science behind this and if he doesn't have the answer he will know where to find it. If I can find something supporting my opinion I'll share.

ok good then we'll know the answer for sure

 

[jitbjake88]

Easy SD he's going to talk to a friend. Haha.

I agree with you SD blast cruise is the way of life.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Easy SD he's going to talk to a friend. Haha.

I agree with you SD blast cruise is the way of life.

it's the tren talking

 

[jitbjake88]

it's the tren talking

Nice, I hear you on the tren boss. I just bumped mine up to 75mg ed..

 

[girpy]

Probably going to regret getting in the middle of this but from what I understand the body doesn't build up a tolerance to the testosterone but as muscle gets built your myostatin levels raise which slows down the rate muscle will build which means you need more testosterone (or other substances) to keep gaining muscle. So it is true that eventually you will want to up your dose or gains will slow down, but it isn't due to the receptor burnout or that type of stuff.

 

[Wrekem]

Easy SD he's going to talk to a friend. Haha.

I agree with you SD blast cruise is the way of life.

this. truth.

 

[FTW34]

This thread got high jacked, looks like im going to drop the orals run tren for maybe 2 more months, PCT and wait 4 months before starting the superdrol/tren/test cycle.

 

[FTW34]

5,6 and 203 is actually a pretty damn big person.....still not justified in irresponsibly using methyls for 12-16 weeks....

-Matt

i feel like most my weight comes from my legs. You know those guys you see that are jacked with no legs? im like that only the opposite. ive been complimented on my legs alot, but also been told they are disproportionately big to the rest of my body, needless to say i haven't trained them in a long time and they havent shrunk at all

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Easy SD he's going to talk to a friend. Haha.

I agree with you SD blast cruise is the way of life.

My "friend" has 3 bachelors, 2 masters, and is working on his second PHD from Oxford. He is also a biochemist. He makes anyone on this board, and 99.9% of the population look stupid. I see where you're going with the "his friend" comment, however this friend is legit and brilliant. If I am wrong he'd be the last person on earth to appease me by telling me I'm correct.

I'm also on the blast cruise way of life, or at least I am working towards that since I'm stuck on TRT anyways.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Dang FTW34 your calfs are beefy...nothing wrong with strong wheels. I also have been blessed with legs that require little to keep up with the progress of the rest of my body. Blessing and a curse it seems.

 

[Standard Donkey]

i feel like most my weight comes from my legs. You know those guys you see that are jacked with no legs? im like that only the opposite. ive been complimented on my legs alot, but also been told they are disproportionately big to the rest of my body, needless to say i haven't trained them in a long time and they havent shrunk at all

that's a calf? what the fuck???


more pics lol.. this is weird

 

[Standard Donkey]

My "friend" has 3 bachelors, 2 masters, and is working on his second PHD from Oxford. He is also a biochemist. He makes anyone on this board, and 99.9% of the population look stupid. I see where you're going with the "his friend" comment, however this friend is legit and brilliant. If I am wrong he'd be the last person on earth to appease me by telling me I'm correct.

I'm also on the blast cruise way of life, or at least I am working towards that since I'm stuck on TRT anyways.

you and him must not hang out much

 

[FTW34]

that's a calf? what the fuck???


more pics lol.. this is weird

wierd in what way?

 

[TrojanMan60563]

you and him must not hang out much

He doesn't hangout often period. He is burried in school and research. I'd give a testicle to have 1/4 of his smarts.

 

[Standard Donkey]

wierd in what way?

that is a serious fucking calf.. basically a cow at this point.



how about pics of ur upper body

 

[Idra]

That sort of looks like seo gone bad to me... No offense and hopefully I'm wrong. It would be easier to distinguish the shape with more of a full body picture.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

What do your quads look like?

 

[MattPorter]

That sort of looks like seo gone bad to me... No offense and hopefully I'm wrong. It would be easier to distinguish the shape with more of a full body picture.

You obviously have no clue what SEO looks like a this dude id rocking LOW insertions and diamond shaped calves --- completely genetic gift were viewing here. You cant "make" these calves --- you either got em or you dont.....

Now if he has high insertions that looked like bowling balls that dont flex.....then SEO is a culprit most likely.

-Matt

 

[Pharmacologist]

If you don't want to stop, then just stay "on" lol.

 

[Pharmacologist]

Probably going to regret getting in the middle of this but from what I understand the body doesn't build up a tolerance to the testosterone but as muscle gets built your myostatin levels raise which slows down the rate muscle will build which means you need more testosterone (or other substances) to keep gaining muscle. So it is true that eventually you will want to up your dose or gains will slow down, but it isn't due to the receptor burnout or that type of stuff.

Or add peptides, gh, or slin, or 2 of the 3, or all 3, etc.

 

[Diesel618]

SD is a douchebag and comes off as very condescending but what he is saying is interesting and something I did not know and I give him props for posting up the literature to back his claims. The point I think he is trying to make, on the most basic level, is that when you introduce supraphysiological doses of exogenous androgens, the body creates additional androgen receptors. Much in the same way that when you introduce opiates, the brain creates additional opiate receptors.

As far as the OP's cycle, holy shit. Not saying what to do, as I've never gotten to experience something like that. I'm sure it's fun, but Hell man. Be logical. You wanna be doin this for at least another decade or two I assume. Can't do it all in one cycle. Save the test/tren/superdrol for next time bro.

 

[Diesel618]

By the way, FTW, do/did you play football? You have the numbers to be a decent running back. 5'6", 200 lbs with strong wheels. I know you'd at least look like one.