19 year old girl i know wants to do steroids....

[LAM]

I second that but also more androgenic which is what I was saying bud.

you have much to learn. winstrol IS a DHT derivative it's androgenic properties are greater than deca

 

[CANIBALISTIC]

Sorry lam I have so many books to support my argument that I can only say that I disagree,

 

[CANIBALISTIC]

I love deca but I wouldn't recommend it for a woman

 

[LAM]

Sorry lam I have so many books to support my argument that I can only say that I disagree,

regardless...winstrol is a DHT derivative which means it's an ANDROGEN that also happens to have some mild anabolic properties

 

[GFR]

Don't know if it matters but I have never heard of anyone going bald from deca......but have heard of many having that problem from Winny......that alone sounds like its more androgenic

 

[nikegurl]

i'm going to cut and paste some info by women with first hand winny experience (and then i give up)

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That has got to be one of the worst ones to take too, I had the same prob a few years back only it was the tabs, either way my voice started to sound funny and squeak. It took awhile but it finally dropped, not bad but I notice it and others did too. So tell her unless she wants some noticeable side effects, STOP taking it, even if she stops now she still might get sides. I think they call winstrol the snake bite drug or something cause the sides can sneak up on you. It's not like anavar where if you stop taking it it's out of your system quick.
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I'll just share my experience with winny tabs (Zambon) my boyfriend said it was fine and my dumb ass believed him and took the stuff. Keep in mind I did it 3 1/2 years ago, but here's what happened (only a couple to a few 2 mg tabs a day for not a long period of time) voice changed, not incredibly deep but deeper than it was (I still sound like a girl but I don't think I'll ever be able to scream again), clit enlargement, and achy knees (which every now and then still bothers me). So tell your friend that, and that's only from a few 2mg tabs, doesn't sound like much huh? Enough to do some damage. If she is dead set on it, the only one I would even consider taking is anavar. If she wants winny tell her to be prepared to tell family and friends that she has a cold for about a year (that's what I had to do while my voice changed).
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Winstrol is a strange drug. Because it is so unpredictable I will not take it and neither will my girlfriend.

It's pretty damn androgenic for one, causing clitoral growth, deep voice and body hair. Two, it interferes with development of healthy connective tissue. Three it reduces cortisol to a point that is unhealthy for joints, causing interstitial fluid to become more viscous and lower in volume, leading to joint pain.
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this is very true....some women get all the nasty sides, some dont at all or very little....some get bloated, others get real hard and ripped....its just one of those things that if you are female and you are going to try it, you should start very light and work your way up to a low dosage..
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and for the last time....aas are not fat burners! they may help repartition fat but only when training and diet are in perfect order (and i doubt either is the case with this person)

 

[CANIBALISTIC]

You have it reversed, it's a low andrgogenic and higher anabolic. FYI Dude you REALLY need to do your research and look at other sources of info. I agree that winstrol has negative effects but to recommend deca over winstrol is plain stupid. I just wanted to add that I love deca and recommend it but like any AAS everything should be monitored. And the only reason I'm against deca for a woman is b/c of the water retention and bloating. Balding doesn't always mean androgenic it a change in the production of one's natural production of test, if you have a predisposition any AAS can onset balding.

Also, a derative means that the structure of chemical changes (by engineering) meaning it no longer carries the same properties and charateristics b/c it's a chemical change to suite a purpose.

 

[CANIBALISTIC]

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this is very true....some women get all the nasty sides, some dont at all or very little....some get bloated, others get real hard and ripped....its just one of those things that if you are female and you are going to try it, you should start very light and work your way up to a low dosage..
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This is what I have been trying to say.

 

[cheesegrater]

Cheesegrater, if your friend is set on taking Winnie, please PM me, or have HER pm me. I have done my research, and Winnie was recommended to my husband by SEVERAL PROFESSIONAL BODYBUILDERS FOR MY USAGE. I have read the info, and know how to take it PROPERLY, and would love to give her the info. Every steriod comes with risks, but they are magnified when taken improperly. It is quite obvious that no one on this board has any freakin clue about Winnie, they simply heard and saw some horror stories and took that as "it will happen to everyone". I am pretty sure that your friend has no interest in achieving the level of gains that the women bodybuilders taking the extreme dosing are after.

As for the rest of you, well, it's quite obvious this thread has become a haven for the propagandist scare tactics that got steroids banned in this country in the first place. Do you people do your research, or do you simply look at the women who knowingly take winnie improperly, for lack of a better term, and jump on the bandwagon that it will happen to everyone? We all know that steroids can cause gyno and "roid rage" when used improperly in men, but how often does it happen? Would Octopussy really have said that Winnie was safe if it wasn't? Get a grip on reality, for the love of god, do your research and give some actual advice, instead of abusing this forum. Winnie, according to Anabolics 2004, has an androgenic rating of 30. Deca has one of 37. What does this mean? It means that Winnie is going to have LESS virilization than Deca. It also has more than double the anabolic rating! Which means BETTER QUALITY RESULTS WITH LESS OF THE MASCULINE TRAITS. What is so hard to understand? I am on the pill. Guess what, I'M FREAKIN FINE!!!
Damnit, where is a freakin MOD when you need one? Tough Guy, where the hell are you when you're needed? And Foreman, wtf, dude, you usually have your shit together, what happened? And I'm the freakin newbie? People come here for advice, make sure you know your shit before you start slinging info, or you guys are going to cause some SERIOUS damage. Recommending DECA for a 19 yr old FEMALE who only wants to firm up, what the F&*k is wrong with you people!!!

i'll see what she says.....but honestly, the more important question i'm trying to raise is the psychological issue of her having to feel like steroids is the only thing that can make her feel better about herself

again, she's 19-NINETEEN-(would anyone be recommending roids to a 19 year old boy if he was just wanting to look better?) and already stunningly beautiful.

i get doing roids for performance purposes in sports (tho i dont agree with it) or for bodybuilding competitions by either male or female. What i don't get is why someone who is a casual lifter (i'd define casual as anyone who isn't a pro bodybuilder, powerlifter or otherwise makes money off their body) either male or female, would use steroids, moreso with the female.

steroids won't make my buddy, who's 5'7ish and sorta stubby, look like brad pitt, it'll just bulk him up. if one wants to lean up, i think, and have been told on here, it's best done naturally, and i'm current, ongoing proof that it works, taking nothing stronger than ephedrine and lipo6/ lipoderm. (yah i know the arguments on eph, but in reality it just makes your heart beat a little faster.....completely harmless and void of side effects if you have no heart issues and use proper amounts)

why the quick fix of steroids? is it so important to joe lifter at world health club to be able to lift 300lbs on bench that he'll take stuff that's precribed by veterinarians in order to do it? ( all i know is stuff my buddy runs has pictures of fucking horses on it, with Czech writing) what possible benefit arises from getting that goal NOW rather than working at it and getting it 6 months from now? why does someone care that much about how they look, how much they lift, how big they are, etc, that they're willing to potentially ruin their bodies system in the process?

now, i should say that i've been researching whether to self-prescribe some steroid for myself in order to boost my testosterone for the sake of social assertiveness and general aggressiveness. i've noticed recently that people have been bitching about me being too passive in everything from sports to girls. it arose from a general depression that floored me and i've just noticed a lack of testosterone effects in my body since then.....but i dont want to get big and would balk at using roids if one of the side effects was putting on 20 lbs of muscle, if only because i look damn good right now.

i guess what i'm ranting against is how society has made all of us so damn vain that we're willing to do anything to look perfect, even if it obviously isn't within our genetic makeup to be so.

 

[nikegurl]

while i agree with it - i don't think it applies to the particular woman we're talking about here since she doesn't even train. i think it's good advice for a woman about to embark on a first cycle after at least 2 years of damn hard training and great nutrition. in my personal opinion it should be left to competitors. but i would hope everyone here would agree a woman who barely works out and is looking at winny for fat loss is "misguided" (a.k.a. a dumbass )

 

[cheesegrater]

Great post!!!

Its called a double standard......
It is 10X worse for a woman of any age to take steroids then a teenage boy!

So fuck her......let her make her own mistakes and have to live with them......Total idiot.

well, honestly, saying just fuck her, let her do it to herself i can't let myself do.....aside from her being too young, i really like her. she's a great girl who has a lot going for her. if i can help make a better decision without really killing myself over it, i can't not do it.

 

[LAM]

You have it reversed, it's a low andrgogenic and higher anabolic. FYI Dude you REALLY need to do your research and look at other sources of info. I agree that winstrol has negative effects but to recommend deca over winstrol is plain stupid.

yea, "I'm" the one who needs to do more research...

I get my information from medical studies and text not the latest "steroid bible" sold on the net. winstrol is better to use than deca !

 

[CANIBALISTIC]

For men. So do I...

 

[CANIBALISTIC]

yea, "I'm" the one who needs to do more research...

I get my information from medical studies and text not the latest "steroid bible" sold on the net. winstrol is better to use than deca !

I hope your not serious.

 

[CANIBALISTIC]

while i agree with it - i don't think it applies to the particular woman we're talking about here since she doesn't even train. i think it's good advice for a woman about to embark on a first cycle after at least 2 years of damn hard training and great nutrition. in my personal opinion it should be left to competitors. but i would hope everyone here would agree a woman who barely works out and is looking at winny for fat loss is "misguided" (a.k.a. a dumbass )

Yes, this is true