1st Cycle thinking; deca/primobolan

[Jezziah]

I'm starting my 1st cycle I was going to go with a monthly inject of hgh stacked with something but decided it was too muck for my first time.

I want to try to avoid turning into a monster overnight so I think I'm going to go with deca for 8 weeks 200-400 mg a week also some oral primobolan. I'll also have nolvadex and clomid on hand just in case...

If anyone has any input I would appreciate it...

My stats:

Age: 25
Ht: 5'8"
Wt: 175
BF: 9%
History: I've been working out seriously for three years all natural

 

[Power Rabbit]

i have some advice..drop the primo, and put in test....its stupid to run deca without test as the deca will shut down your test production virtually overnight and not replace it...

primo is expensive...its really only suited for a pre show cutter...and it is THE most faked, and bunked gear there is

 

[Mudge]

Most primo is deca. If you want to avoid becoming a monster then dont eat like one.

Test is best.

 

[Jezziah]

if I add in some test can I do it in a low dose so I don't put on a crazy amount of mass or is it not worth doing at all like that???

 

[Mudge]

If you wont eat you wont put on crazy amounts of mass, do you think bodyweight comes out of thin air? I hope not. It comes from your diet brother.

If you dont want to get huge then dont eat huge, its very simple and easy to stay small. You dont think the pros eat like normal people do you?

I can't ever recalling anyone comlpaining that they were getting too huge because of shooting a little juice, it doesn't work that way, most people can't eat into huge-land.

 

[Power Rabbit]

why are you takeing gear if you dont want to get huge??


and besides that you want to take deca, a big mass builder...yet you dont wanna get huge......you might want to rethink your goals, and resaerch what gear does what

 

[Mudge]

Yep you can make slow gains with food, or fast gains with food.

 

[Jezziah]

there are light gains, moderate gains, and heavy gains...my point is that I want to get moderately bigger and break through the training walls that I've hit

 

[Jezziah]

also more of the input I was looking for was in regards to water retention during my cycle... there is lots of information out there and I was hoping for advice from someone who has been there before....

 

[Mudge]

Look at anti aromatase, however its highly individual IMO, I dont get massive water retention with ANYTHING. The only weight I gain is from food.

 

[Jezziah]

Thanks mudge,

I've changed the makeup and decided to go with deca & proviron and clomid for the post cycle....I've read that deca adds solid muscle but in a slower and less intense way than test...is this true?

 

[Mudge]

Less intense? Oh brother.

If you aren't looking for gains I dont understand why you are even here, why not go buy some legal stuff and dont increase your calories much, there you go, nice modest gains and no felony convictions.

Lots of people make poor gains using steroids, its called a crappy diet. If you dont want the gains then control your diet. I know for me that deca does really nothing special other than give me some water which helps out my joints. Just like test it should help with positive nitrogen retention.

I just think you are barking up the wrong tree. If you want modest gains either stay natural or stay legal. If you are going to run steroids and only look for gains you could have made elsewhere, what is the point? Relying on the drugs to make all your gains and then kiss them goodbye when you come off because you dont know how to eat?

Add 500 calories to your diet and stay natural OR legal, thats my advice, but its completely up to you and I wish you luck.

 

[Power Rabbit]

again you need to research ....straight deca?? You are gonna chemically castrate yourself(yes deca at one point was intended for that) for modest gains???

your cycle is adding up to give you all of 5 pounds, and a very limp "deca dick"

test is best

 

[Mudge]

Actually there are websites for people who do chemical castration at home and deca is still used for that purpose. These are people who have sworn to the celibate life

 

[Power Rabbit]

har!

 

[Jezziah]

I never posted anything about modest gains...Most of my information is based on what I've seen at the gym, read on websites, or on the forums. I'm trying to avoid excessive water retention common with many forms of test and other side effects that have permanent effects like extreme liver toxicity. Once you liver shuts down all the muscles in the world aren't going to keep you alive bro.

 

[Mudge]

Deca = water retention which is whats so great about it, it helps my joints and I really dont feel I get anything else out of it.

If you dont want water retention you are looking at the wrong compounds.

Avoid turning into a monster overnight is the same thing as "modest gains." 20 or 30 pounds wont make you a monster, and those are not modest gains, so I still say you are looking quite clearly for "modest gains."

Originally posted by Jezziah
there are light gains, moderate gains, and heavy gains...my point is that I want to get moderately bigger and break through the training walls that I've hit

Stick with legals IMO, modest gains with a moderately increased diet and no prison time. Why are you even still here?

What I am trying to get through to you is a very simple, and factual concept. Gains in weight come from the food you consume, if you dont want huge gains then it is very easy NOT to get them. It doesn't matter what substance you stick in your butt, you wont get huge overnight if you dont eat huge. So to suppress your gains suppress your diet, SIMPLE.

For a little more anabolic edge and a modest bit of weight gain, go with a legal that is recommended from those who have made good gains with them (M1T, 4AD whatever), and a moderate caloric increase.

 

[maze]

M1T will put 10-12lbs on if that suits your moderate goal. Youll need your nolva for PCT. M1T will soon be illegal.