And we all feel this way. This is what seperates boys from men. Men will stick to it and stay dedicated for years gaining muscle. It does not come overnight and it doesn't come easy.
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2nd "havoc" cycle... check it out..
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At this time I am only taking creatine, whey and fish oil. I will be doing in the near future a Stoked/Activate Xtreme stack. I am not sure when I will run another steriod.
gerard4864
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TGB1987
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Bones what is your age? It sounds like you were not ready for a product like havoc. Havoc contains an actual steroid. It has the potential for negative sides such as shutting down your HPTA axis which is what produces your natural test. You could of been training naturally with some good supps like creatine and a pre workout supp and made decent gains. The main thing is that you have to have your diet, nutrition, and training where it needs to be. This is key for any supplement you plan to run.
carmineb
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my havoc cycle started off great and i was pushing heavier weights and was able to fight thru greusome reps, so much so, that I was able to do 6 plates on leg press machine (vs 5 before) not for 6 reps but I was able to fight all the way to 20. albeit, I couldnt walk for 4 days and my leg muscles started to cramp up while still at the gym, never happened to me in my life... I was adding at least 25% to all my lifts and holding peak contractions for many of them... If anything, it helped me see what might have ben a truer sense of wah I was able to do. I was more sore of course, had gained arond 6- 7 pounds after 2 weeks.
then family issues came around, i wa in a full alarm stress situation, cortisol had to have been thru the roof for me and I lost the drive so went lighter and just went to gym just cuz i had started a cycle and didnt want to end it so short. LAst week on cycle I did not even work out. After it was all said and done, i had lost, not gained approximately 10-12 pounds and I could see it everywhere, mostly legs....
I was so pumped to do this first real cycle not expecting drama to envelope my life 1/3-1/2 way into it. but I can say based on my first 2 weeks, besides lethargy setting in, it was looking good.
bootle says dont do havoc wtihout at least 4 mos interval between the cycles.... basically, to be safe, no more than twice a year I guess.
TGB, what would you recommend to include in a pct to assist in the hpta recovery?
then family issues came around, i wa in a full alarm stress situation, cortisol had to have been thru the roof for me and I lost the drive so went lighter and just went to gym just cuz i had started a cycle and didnt want to end it so short. LAst week on cycle I did not even work out. After it was all said and done, i had lost, not gained approximately 10-12 pounds and I could see it everywhere, mostly legs....
I was so pumped to do this first real cycle not expecting drama to envelope my life 1/3-1/2 way into it. but I can say based on my first 2 weeks, besides lethargy setting in, it was looking good.
bootle says dont do havoc wtihout at least 4 mos interval between the cycles.... basically, to be safe, no more than twice a year I guess.
TGB, what would you recommend to include in a pct to assist in the hpta recovery?
braveand
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As dg said ph are diet sensitive..
Be sure to plan every details of your diet and choose the right macros for your body structure.. Then go over your maintenance, train hard and gains will come for sure.
and if you want to retain your gains and fully recover GET a SERM because with epiotren you are stacking Havoc and Tren two class 3 drugs!
Be sure to plan every details of your diet and choose the right macros for your body structure.. Then go over your maintenance, train hard and gains will come for sure.
and if you want to retain your gains and fully recover GET a SERM because with epiotren you are stacking Havoc and Tren two class 3 drugs!
