I've been researching all the GNC bullshit; weight gainers, proteins, creatines. None of it seem worth the hype or money. What would be the best way to gain mass fast while im taking this cycle of enanthate?
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5'11" 165lbs. Starting cycle test E, trying to gain weight fast. HELP?
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I very much expect that you will ignore my advice, however, I highly recommend that you save that Test E that you have for a later time. You need to learn the fundamentals of training and diet before you employ more advanced techniques.
Probably so. I don't really look at it so scientific but more of, eat a ton and hit the gym hard. I eat anything and everything, don't have enough time to sit down and count calories and all that bs. That's exactly why I'm trying to find a good supplement or weight gainer that can pretty much fill in the gaps of what I'm not taking in daily.
It's entirely your prerogative --- we can only care about your success as you much you do. That methodology works for some but you should be aware that there will likely be a lot of time spent spinning your wheels.
Thanks for the input GeorgeForeman...?
I'm trying to get some answers on building mass, not discussing my decision on taking a miniscule 10cc bottle of test. Just taking it because I came across it cheap, and want that little extra boost to build quick for summer.
I've taken a bottle once before and saw strenght gains and cut me up pretty good, but I'm looking for decent mass gains also. So again I ask, what are some legit supplements I can take to help do this?
I'm trying to get some answers on building mass, not discussing my decision on taking a miniscule 10cc bottle of test. Just taking it because I came across it cheap, and want that little extra boost to build quick for summer.
I've taken a bottle once before and saw strenght gains and cut me up pretty good, but I'm looking for decent mass gains also. So again I ask, what are some legit supplements I can take to help do this?
I don't think you need suppliments at all. If you're eating as much as you say you are. Just train hard and overload progressively.
I would suggest to eat clean though. Don't just eat everything/anything in sight. Obviously you want to gain maximum muscle mass and minimum fat gains.
5'11, 165lbs. You'll wanna shoot for something like 3500-4000 calories daily. You can easilly do that with real food so forget the weight gainer, eat clean and train hard.
By the way.. I dunno what your expectations are from just one 10ml vial of test. I mean, even if you do 400mg a week, thats only a 5 week cycle. If you do EVERYTHING right, you can only expect to gain 4-8 pounds of muscle from that, which you will lose without a PCT.
I'm sure you know all this already, just wanted to throw that out there.
I would suggest to eat clean though. Don't just eat everything/anything in sight. Obviously you want to gain maximum muscle mass and minimum fat gains.
5'11, 165lbs. You'll wanna shoot for something like 3500-4000 calories daily. You can easilly do that with real food so forget the weight gainer, eat clean and train hard.
By the way.. I dunno what your expectations are from just one 10ml vial of test. I mean, even if you do 400mg a week, thats only a 5 week cycle. If you do EVERYTHING right, you can only expect to gain 4-8 pounds of muscle from that, which you will lose without a PCT.
I'm sure you know all this already, just wanted to throw that out there.
DaBeast25
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You did the right thing by coming here... but you do need to learn to eat and train properly. Most importantly...EAT! If you're at that weight you definitely haven't learned how much you actually need to eat to gain weight.
If you just take you'r 1 bottle of test, you wiull initially gain weight and look bigger...you'll be pumped. It's gonna be water, NOT muscle...by the time you finish you'll regret it b/c it doesn't seem that you understand AAS are NOT for "a little boost" They are serious/powerful hormones that will f**k you up if you dont understand them.
Kepp researching, and dont rush into this.
If you just take you'r 1 bottle of test, you wiull initially gain weight and look bigger...you'll be pumped. It's gonna be water, NOT muscle...by the time you finish you'll regret it b/c it doesn't seem that you understand AAS are NOT for "a little boost" They are serious/powerful hormones that will f**k you up if you dont understand them.
Kepp researching, and dont rush into this.
Thanks for the post FMJ, thats a little more helpful. And youre right about the bottle. If anything, I'm sure it wont do much, but the last time I took one, I gained around 10lbs of lean muscle in 6 weeks. I want to make sure I take full advantage of it this time.
DaBeast, you're right about me not understanding because I really don't. But the gains I made from the last time couldnt have been just water retention or I wouldve looked more bloated than ripped, correct? I haven't started yet, and this is why.
Can I get some good advice on getting started and doing this correctly this time?
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Can I get some good advice on getting started and doing this correctly this time?
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DaBeast, you're right about me not understanding because I really don't. But the gains I made from the last time couldnt have been just water retention or I wouldve looked more bloated than ripped, correct? I haven't started yet, and this is why.
Can I get some good advice on getting started and doing this correctly this time?
Best advice I can offer you at this stage is to read all the stickies in the Anabolic Zone. Those will give you some info on what a cycle should look like, What an AI and PCT will do for you and other info you will need to help you decide what the next steps will be.
Good luck.
DaBeast25
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If you can't spend enough time researching to not feel overloaded then you shouldnt be doing this, but if you want someone to tell you what to do instead of actually knowing what you should do then here...
week 1-10 Test E 500mg/week
week 1-10 arimidex .5mg eod or .5mg ed if needed
Week 10-13 aromasin 25mg ed
Week 12-14 Nolva 40/40/20/20
He doesn't have enough test for 10 weeks @ 500mg/wk.
At 500mg/wk, he'll be done with his little 10ml vial in 4 weeks.
Thanks for the positive input...?
Im juss gonna take my little 10ml bottle for a month or so, bust my ass, and eat like a champ.
Guess we'll see what happens. I'm sure I won't need to spend the extra money on estrogen blocker n all if what I have isn't that much like FMJ says.
Im juss gonna take my little 10ml bottle for a month or so, bust my ass, and eat like a champ.
Guess we'll see what happens. I'm sure I won't need to spend the extra money on estrogen blocker n all if what I have isn't that much like FMJ says.
Thanks for the positive input...?
Im juss gonna take my little 10ml bottle for a month or so, bust my ass, and eat like a champ.
Guess we'll see what happens. I'm sure I won't need to spend the extra money on estrogen blocker n all if what I have isn't that much like FMJ says.
Hey man, the facts aren't always postive. Sorry if thats not what you want to hear but it doesn't make it less true.
My point is, it's not enough for a full cycle. It IS enough to fuck you up if you don't keep estrogen in check so get an AI and get something to get your balls working again when you're done with that vial.
DaBeast25
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I know I was trying to point him in the right direction, b/c he needs more gear to make shutdown down his own test worthwhile.
But to the OP... good luck... hope you you get hyuuugge!!
Way to be responsible about f**king with your endocrine system at an age when you really shouldn't be, and having zero knowledge/respect for what AAS can do both positive and negative.
Haha
Look buddy, I dont even know what AAS is!!
Guess I'm in the wrong place to look for answers. Sounds like you guys know your stuff, for sure, but I definately don't. AAS, AI, PCT...? Im a 20 year old guy just trying to improve myself and get a little bigger, not a doctor. I dont have time to go and get bloodwork done and all that bs, its not that serious. If you think taking this test will really affect my body that badly, then sure, let me know what to do exactly without bashing me for being naive
Look buddy, I dont even know what AAS is!!
Guess I'm in the wrong place to look for answers. Sounds like you guys know your stuff, for sure, but I definately don't. AAS, AI, PCT...? Im a 20 year old guy just trying to improve myself and get a little bigger, not a doctor. I dont have time to go and get bloodwork done and all that bs, its not that serious. If you think taking this test will really affect my body that badly, then sure, let me know what to do exactly without bashing me for being naive
DaBeast25
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You know what bro, you're right...it's not that serious. Just go for it and if you ever get your hands on tren go for it. It will make you big and cut at the same time!
When you cant get it up anymore, just take viagra
It's not a problem getting anything I want; steroids are passed around like candy in this area. I just was told that enanthate was the most effective and sure way to go. I'm not on a bodybuilding quest and not abusing steroids. Just getting things started. When I'm 60 years old and my dick wont stay hard, I'm sure it wont be because of a 10cc bottle of test I took 40 years prior. Yes, I know they're serious and can cause harm. Yes, I know they can get you "hyyuuugee".
Can someone just give me some advice to take full advantage of this bottle and some supplements to go along with it??
Can someone just give me some advice to take full advantage of this bottle and some supplements to go along with it??
Okay, Well, I suggested you read the stickies in this forum... At the very least HeavyIron's sticky entitled "First Cycle and PCT". But I'll give you the jist of things you need to know. I strongly advise you read more about this stuff. I'm not in the habit of encouraging anyone to do illegal substances without thier knowlegde of what those substances are!
Okay, enough lecturing. AAS, is an acronym for anabolic-androgenic steroids. Using steroids, such as the one you have will help you gain lean muscle mass but as the human body always attempts to level and equalize things, adding testosterone into your body will cause other hormones to elevate. One of most concern is Estrogen. Testosterone, through a process called "Aromatising", converts to estrogen. Too much estrogen will bring about unwanted side effects such as gynecomastia or "Gyno" for short. Or "Bitch tits" for slang. To combat estrogen levels from getting too high, AAS users will often employ an AI or Aromatase Inhibitor. Some of the more popular ones are Arimidex or Aromasin. Another side effect of injecting Test is that when your body senses the high levels, it will shut down your natural test production. When this happens the testicles have a tendoncy to shrink. Something to combat this problem is HCG. Another injectable compound used during the Test cycle. Now, at the end of a cycle, yet another hormone will rear it's ugly head. That is Cortisol. Once the Test cycle is done, Cortisol is free to begin eating away all the muscle you just worked so hard at adding during your cycle. To combat this, you will often have to employ a PCT or "Post Cycle Treatment". This is also required to help your body turn its natural test production back on. A popular example of this is Clomid.
This is a very very very very basic explaination of whats involved with doing AAS. All this info could have been found in just the one Sticky thread I suggested you read. So again, READ MORE about this shit before you inject it!!
Lastly, do not ask for sources on where to get these items. This is against the rules of this board. Again, you will have to do your own research on how/where to find such items.
I read that sticky, but what you just told me is exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks for clearing things up, finally!
I didnt know there were so many other drugs I would have to incorporate into one cycle of test. I guess if I'm going to do this, and do it right, I should get another 10ccs of enanthate, aromasin, HCG, and a post cycle treatment. Correct?
Thing is, I'm seeing aromasin is extremely pricey. I dont know anything about HCG, and I've seen PCT's at GNC.
So it looks like just this one 20cc test E cycle is gonna rape my wallet...
I didnt know there were so many other drugs I would have to incorporate into one cycle of test. I guess if I'm going to do this, and do it right, I should get another 10ccs of enanthate, aromasin, HCG, and a post cycle treatment. Correct?
Thing is, I'm seeing aromasin is extremely pricey. I dont know anything about HCG, and I've seen PCT's at GNC.
So it looks like just this one 20cc test E cycle is gonna rape my wallet...
He probably means that 6-oxo stuff?
